Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ai Nagano

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ai Nagano[edit]

Unnotable living voice actress that fails WP:BIO. She is not the "subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." One voice role in one series does not make her notable. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Cutey Honey is a notable role.Kitty53 (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As Kitty53 said, Ai Nagano played Cutey Honey in the revival series Cutey Honey Flash. JuJube (talk) 00:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Last I checked, she has also starred in the Digimon series, and I'm pretty sure Digimon is a notable type of anime. She has also starred in the Pretty Cure series.Kitty53 (talk) 00:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Appearing in, or in this case having a voice role in, is not the same as starring in. She played a minor character in Pretty Cure and I think in Digimon as well. Also, it is good to note you are the article creator when saying keep. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - She has voiced Suzie Wong in Digimon. Last I checked, Suzie Wong is a main character in the show.Kitty53 (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - She starred as the main role in Cutey Honey Flash, not exactly a minor lead role. 68.81.95.231 (talk) 01:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I didn't question Cutey Honey, but that still doesn't make her notable. No reliable sources, no extensive coverage. The article creator is throwing a bunch of directory listings in the article as "references" but they aren't and they don't meet WP:BIO at all. Again, where is the significant coverage. If her roles in Cutey Honey Flash and Digimon are notable and "made her famous" as the article claims, where is the extensive coverage backing up these claims to fame? Newspaper articles, discussion in books, heck, being mentioned in reviews of the series praising or condemning her work? Even her list of works is totally uncited, with it partially copy/pasted from ANN. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Why not look at the JA article, then?Kitty53 (talk) 02:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Because it is completely unreferenced, like almost all JA articles, which this just pretty much seems to be a copy of. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        That's because she is a freelancer!Kitty53 (talk) 02:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I change my vote to redirect to Digimon Tamers, then!Kitty53 (talk) 03:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? She isn't a series character, so that would not be an appropriate redirect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because, oh, I don't know how to explain this! I worked so hard on that article! You put three of my articles up for deletion, all of which will probably be deleted! I'm having a bad day, and it's all because of you! And worse, I'm not being given very many options!Kitty53 (talk) 03:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it makes you happy, I'll change my vote back to keep!Kitty53 (talk) 03:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't a vote, its an opinion and it should be based on your reading of WP:BIO and your view as to whether the article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you feel it does, make one Keep comment, explaining why you feel it does meet those guidelines, provide sources and links (as needed) to back up your argument, and leave it at that. Going back and forth and back and forth clutters the AfD and is mildly aggravating. You may want to read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to discuss an AfD to learn how to discuss an AfD, and maybe glance over Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Also, it is not my fault you are having a bad day. You are choosing to be very emotional and dramatic over these deletions. I think you really need to learn to stop internalizing things so much and calm down some. You seem to get very emotional over everyday Wiki occurrences, which does not help anything at all and is only upsetting you. Step back, take some deep breaths, and have a cup of tea or milk. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Like that other random Japanese voice actor's article posted above this AfD, there's no actual given reason to delete this. Just a bunch of forced, boilerplate "non-notable per WP:THIS and WP:THAT" wikilawyering that doesn't have any positive or constructive outcome in mind for the overall project. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hear hear, and firmly agreed. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable per WP:N and WP:RS, not wikilawyering, it's wikipolicy. ukexpat (talk) 04:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 17:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She played the title role in Cutey Honey Flash and voiced one of the five protagonists of Yes! PreCure 5. I think the article meets the first criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER.--Nohansen (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no sources discussing these folks (relating to all the voice actor AfDs at the moment), they shouldn't have articles. It doesn't matter whether (we) anime fans think they are notable or important because of the roles they have played in some series, few of which are even considered that relevant/notable in the English speaking world because outside of Japan, anime is still a niche market. In reality, most don't even get that much coverage in Japan because voice actors are like TV actors in bit roles, with only a few exceptional ones out there who achieve claim and fame enough to be widely covered in various sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BIO is not limited to "the English speaking world". These actors are either notable or they aren't. And, as far as the first criteria for an WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned, they are because the roles they've played are significant.--Nohansen (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Nohansen. lack of sources is gronds for improvement, not deletion. Edward321 (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Ned Scott 07:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Nohansen. I note that WP:ENTERTAINER #1 doesn't require that the roles be covered in "secondary source material," only that they be significant within the production and that the production be notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These AfD's seem to be related as by the same nom about similar actors and created by the same editor - I linked to them at the top for other editor's ease but nom has now deleted them twice so am adding here: Banjeboi 03:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]