Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agbiz

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The result was keep. Legoktm (talk) 05:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agbiz[edit]

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Was WP:BLARred and redirect to Ağbiz by Shhhnotsoloud with the rationale: "no mention of 'Agbiz' at Agribusiness". Per the 2021 RfC on BLARring, I have procedurally nominated this for deletion to have consensus on the page as the person who reverted edit making it a redirect. TartarTorte 20:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. TartarTorte 20:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep dab - plausible search target for someone seeking to arrive at Agribusiness. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 20:16, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. There's no need for a disambiguation page here. Either "Agbiz" is legitimately mentioned in Agribusiness, in which case Agbiz redirects there with a hatnote to Ağbiz; or it isn't, in which case it redirects Ağbiz. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with that logic: if it is legitmately mentioned in Agribusiness then we decide which of the two is the primary topic or neither, so there are 3 possible outcomes: redirect to Agribusiness, redirect to the village, have a dab page.

But there seems no mention in that article, and Googling suggests that the main use for the term is Agricultural Business Chamber of South Africa, not mentioned anywhere in Wikipedia. PamD 08:47, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree with the nominator that this dab is appropriate: "AgBiz" is attested as meaning "agribusiness" (not just in South African contexts [1] [2]), but this use is obscure, so not worth mentioning in the target article. The other topic, Ağbiz, is equally obscure, so there's no primary topic between the two. – Uanfala (talk) 11:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But Wikipedia does not usually provide a redirect or dab page entry unless the term is mentioned in the target page. PamD 17:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's some language to that extent in MOS:DABABBR, much of which, by the way, is in awful need of changing, but nothing of the sort in MOS:DABSYN. But I hope we're able to move beyond the simplified and sometimes imperfect heuristics in MOS:DAB and use the underlying logic directly. Fundamentally, what we need before including a topic on a dab page is a) an article with relevant content to point to, and b) some sourcing to demonstrate that the topic in that article can be referred to using the dab term. Articles are expected to have sourced mentions of any major alternative names, and dab pages are generally expected not to have references on them, so in the majority of cases the mention-in-article rule would be a good description of reality. The departure happens for obscure or obvious alternative names ("agbiz" is both), because articles aren't expected to list them. – Uanfala (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Agbiz" as a short form of "Agribusiness" seems like a case of WP:SKYISBLUE to me. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 19:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 13:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 13:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - I was the one who originally asked why someone would use "agbiz" for agribusiness; it would then be "agbis". I would prefer it to redirect to Ağbiz instead. Ⲕրⲁիօ րետ (tɒk) 15:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC) Just redirect to agribusiness and put a hatnote for Ağbiz for users who were looking for that. Ⲕրⲁիօ րետ (tɒk) 20:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"biz" is a very common short form for "Business", at least in North American English. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 16:02, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as dab page (for a quiet life), or redirect to the village. I'll AGF that it's a plausible term for Agribusiness, though it's interesting to note that Merriam-Webster includes "Agribiz" but does not mention "Agbiz". We don't include redirects, or dab page entries, for every unsourced abbreviation for a topic: if someone would like to add "... commonly abbreviated as agribiz or agbiz ...", with sources for both, to Agribusiness, then all would be well. PamD 11:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I can't see the harm of a dab like this, with 3 entires. Bearian (talk) 18:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.