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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adewumi Adeyanju[edit]

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Can't find enough in-depth coverage from independent, secondary, reliable sources to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 11:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep-per this found [[1]]

[[2]] [[3]][[4]][[5]]This look more like a PR to me[[6]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epcc12345 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Businesspeople, Music, Entertainment, and Nigeria. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:59, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I moved the article to Draft when it clearly had insufficient sources to meet the criteria for notability. The article creator and principle editor moved it back to mainspace without review and without significantly improving the sourcing. Association with other acts is irrelevant per WP:NOTINHERITED. I see no significant improvement since I moved it to Draft. Fails WP:GNG.  Velella  Velella Talk   17:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    With all due respect, yes I did move it back to the main space after working on the said article for months and improving the source. I looked for sources before re-editing and moving back to the main space. and rather did I say —Association with other acts is relevant. I only mentioned that because of some search results, I pulled up from google search. Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    These are not articles with "a few mentions".Meanwhile, I'm voting to Keep but clean-up the article with better or more sources. Beckyrose233 (talk) 18:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    He is prominently covered in many of the sources I provided. with in-depth and significant coverage. The sources are independent Beckyrose233 (talk) 18:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment:Beckyrose233 please trend with caution with your comments and kindly note you are not permitted to vote twice.Epcc12345 (talk) 11:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Noted @Epcc12345 thanks Beckyrose233 (talk) 12:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 12:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment @Epcc12345You are aware that just because a magazine writes a PR article for one story doesn't mean they do it for all of them. t. Half of these sources" are unreliable?
I'll admit and that I've never heard of glam squad magazine reason i didnt include that in my article, but those sources make up a very small portion of the ones I listed. You are clearly aware that the majority of my sources weren't "republished press releases." Pls explain to me how this looks like a PR Work ? [7] @Epcc12345
  • him being declared as a Blogger, who helps Discovering Superstars by a Well know Nigeria Media House Plus, personality, who acknowledged having an opinion about this blogger, and it was written by a member of the source's staff. is WP:SIGCOV Beckyrose233 (talk) 12:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The subject fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:JOURNALIST. Founding a non-notable blog, releasing three non-notable singles, and getting arrested by the EFCC (due to his affliation with Zlatan and Naira Marley) are not enough to warrant a stand-alone article. The subject doesn't have a music career to speak of, and being Zlatan's personal blogger isn't going to make him notable.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Am still with the fact that He is widely covered in many of the sources I provided, the sources are independent. You haven't provided evidence they're not. You're flat out and getting arrested by the EFCC (due to his affliation with Zlatan and Naira Marley) at this point. Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If they simply briefly referenced the blogger, his name wouldn't be in the title of the majority of these sources. and more over have come across articles of wrestler, boxers, footballers, Comedian etc. having one or two songs and articles still describe them as musicians, simply because they have their song on Popular streaming platforms. being Zlatan's personal blogger isn't going to make him notable.
    a notable Nigerian rapper and singer who has admitted to having a song with this blogger, by a staff writer (Bylined) from a well reliable source in Nigeria. Vanguard. They wouldn't want to talk about the blogger or with him if nobody cared about him. Beckyrose233 (talk) 02:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I have worked in the sphere of Nigerian music articles for a bit, and I find it troubling that so many users would write off coverage found in the most prominent news sites of the country. If you don't think his achievements are that impressive, that is fine. But we don't decide to have pages based on how impressive a person seems. We base it on the existence of sources. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Why? I Ask: Who exactly is your comment addressed to? Who voted to delete the article based on impression? The subject lacks in-depth coverage and doesn't meet the requirements of WP:MUSICBIO and WP:JOURNALIST. Show me a criterion of MUSICBIO, WP:JOURNALIST, or WP:GNG he meets and I will change my vote. He doesn't have a music career to speak of and simply being arrested isn't enough to warrant a stand-alone article. Moreover, running a non-notable blog doesn't establish him as a notable act.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. He has profiles in The Guardian [8], Vanguard News [9], and The Sun [10] (among others). These are some of the largest newspapers in Nigeria and are considered reliable sources per WP:NG/RS. Clearly he does have a career to speak of if he has received national coverage in multiple sources. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Versace1608 funny how you also are trying to write off the fact that he is also signed to a well notable Major Record label in Nigeria (Zanku Records) also been mentioned here This Day 1 by one of Ghanaian top blogger and Audiomack Africa Ambassador and curator, do you think they would want to mention his name as "(Nigerian top blogger in Zanku Records)" if he wasn't notable in the country. pls stop trying to writeoff the fact that he also actually does have a career as a blogger also. this is from reliable sources vanguard News[1] and clearly not PR job. Beckyrose233 (talk) 04:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 14:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete appears promo, not much of any sourcing beyond puff pieces. Oaktree b (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I need a more convincing delete argument. Please see my above comment. Bylined articles in five national newspapers is clearly a good amount of sourcing, and your assertion that the articles are puffery is completely unjustified (and dead wrong). Why? I Ask (talk) 00:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Although I am clearly aware that paid sources are a problem in journalism/entertainment media across all subjects, kindly offer proof that the sources I listed were paid sources. @Oaktree b and pls don't tell me that articles from well-respected national newspapers independent sources are "self-promotion." with no proper evidence that they are. Beckyrose233 (talk) 05:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not self-promotion, someone else can be promoting them, that's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 12:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    stop lying that they are. You haven't provided evidence. because you are clearly writing off these national newspapers and completely writing off the Nigeria list of notable reliable sources per WP:NG/RS. with no proper evidence or claim to back your accusation. just because these media houses do PR articles for some articles doesn't mean they do it for all. Beckyrose233 (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Guardian (National print newspaper with online component Sponsored posts are bylined as "Editor) this here clearly isn't The Guardian [8] If no one cared about him, they wouldn't want to discuss him. Beckyrose233 (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool, I need proof. Why? I Ask (talk) 23:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per my source assessment below.
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Curb Safe Charmer
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Vanguard News (April 2020) No No byline; article ends "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers..." Yes per WP:NGRS Seven paragraphs ✘ No
The Sun Nigeria (December 2021) No Slight paraphrasing, but ends "Considering his affiliations in the music industry and his open communication with other top bloggers, the world is indeed yet to discover this young, high-achieving individual." Yes per WP:NGRS Nine paragraphs ✘ No
The Nation (January 2020) ? has byline - Adeniyi Adewoyin - entertainment journalist Yes per WP:NGRS No Nine paragraphs, but no WP:SECONDARY 'analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis' ✘ No
The Guardian (May 2020) No has byline - Anazia Daniel - a freelance journalist. Ends with "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry..." Yes per WP:NGRS ? Six paragraphs ✘ No
Vanguard News (January 2020) No has byline - Onaolapo Olalekan Odunola, but not a journalist. Ends with "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry..." Yes per WP:NGRS ? Six paragraphs ✘ No
DAILY TIMES (January 2020) No byline is Ada Ada, presumably Ihesiulo Amarachi Ada Ada, an SEO expert. Ends with "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry..." Yes per WP:NGRS No Four paragraphs ✘ No
DAILY TIMES (February 2020) No byline is Ada Ada (as above) Appears to be an interview, or at least primary coverage of what Adeyanju said Yes per WP:NGRS nine paragraphs ✘ No
vanguard (November 2022) ? Byline is Precious Chukwudi, social media manager Yes per WP:NGRS No Six paragraphs, drawing attention to subject's Instagram post teasing a new song. ✘ No
This Day (2020) No Byline indicates written by the subject; ends with "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry..."; says 'Sponsored' underneath Yes per WP:NGRS Six paragraphs ✘ No
BellaNaija no byline ? borderline per WP:NGRS No One sentence ✘ No
Leadership (4 May 2022) Yes Has byline - Samuel Abulude, Entertainment and Arts Correspondent; may be a paid piece but can't be sure Yes per WP:NGRS Yes 7 paragraphs ✔ Yes
PM News (May 2019) Yes Yes per WP:NGRS No Two paragraphs; mere mention ✘ No
InsideBusiness (Sept 2020) Yes Yes No Eight sentences; mere mention ✘ No
Premium Times (May 2019) Yes Yes per WP:NGRS No 14 sentences; mere mention ✘ No
Naijaloaded (January 2020) ? Yes no reason to question this article as it is so short No Two sentences; announcement of song ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect this here doesn't show that the source was paid for, or are you trying to tell me that rollingstones and dailytimes or forbes ? dont write about celebrities? notable celebrities? your judgement is clearly bias. "your feelings are not policy." completely writing off the Nigeria media space. You know most of the sources I provided weren't " press release. but you will count this as Pass "Kulture Is All Smiles For Cardi B & Offset's Grammy Nominated 'Clout': Watch" , "The First Week Sales Figures for Offset & Gunna's New Albums Are Here". but count this off Vanguard News (January 2020) saying his not a journalist. but has link to the website dashboard? Beckyrose233 (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand much of what you wrote, or the relevance of the articles you linked to.
What my analysis shows is that:
  • Onaolapo Olalekan Odunola, writing for Vanguard on 12 January 2020, wrote "At 27, Adewumi Adeyanju otherwise known as Biesloaded has carved a niche for himself in the entertainment scene as “blogger blogger”. With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry, the sky is the starting point for this young, hardworking entrepreneur."
  • Ada Ada, writing for the Daily Times on 16 January 2020, wrote "At 27, Adewumi Adeyanju otherwise known as Biesloaded has carved a niche for himself in the entertainment scene as “blogger blogger”. With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry, the sky is the starting point for this young, hardworking entrepreneur."
  • Daniel Anazia, writing for The Guardian on 2 May 2020, wrote "With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry."
  • ThisDay, on 10 May 2020 wrote "At 27, Adewumi Adeyanju otherwise known as Biesloaded has carved a niche for himself in the entertainment scene as “blogger blogger”. With his rapport with fellow top bloggers and established connections in the music industry, the sky is the starting point for this young, hardworking entrepreneur."
  • On 11 December 2021 The Sun wrote: "At age 27, Adewumi has built up a reputation in the entertainment industry as a “blogger.” Considering his affiliations in the music industry and his open communication with other top bloggers, the world is indeed yet to discover this young, high-achieving individual."
Five newspapers have run articles using the same or paraphrased text. My plagiarism detector shows the Vanguard article is a 81.4% match to the The Guardian article. These are not independently written. So who wrote them? My assertion is that the text was provided by a PR agency. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Beside i also made use of plagiarism copyvo detector which clearly showed that not all 77% of the source shows any similarity or Violation Unlikely .
Bylined articles in five national newspapers is clearly a good amount of sourcing
Beckyrose233 (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably just the blurb from his own biography that newspapers use. I don't think it should be any sort of disqualifier as the newspapers still independently covered him. I also believe you are mistaken with Ada Ada, who is a reporter alongside a SEO. Most newspapers (even the New York Times) have SEO specialists to try and boost clicks on articles. It does not mean the articles themselves are an issue.
But trying to find secondary analysis in Nigerian news is nigh impossible. That's just the current nature of Nigerian news coverage of the arts. In an effort to avoid systemic bias, I don't think analysis should be a requirement as opposed to just coverage. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Why? I Ask: I completely disagree with you about "secondary analysis in Nigerian news being highly impossible". There's a good number of Nigerian musicians, bloggers, and entertainers who have Wikipedia pages. If "secondary coverage" was almost impossible, we wouldn't have these lists: List of Nigerian entrepreneurs, List of Nigerian musicians, and List of Nigerian bloggers. The problem here is that the subject is not a notable musicians, blogger or entrepenuer. He doesn't meet any criterion of WP:MUSICBIO, WP:CREATIVE, or even WP:ANYBIO. Per the nominator, he lacks in-depth coverage in reliable sources.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Secondary coverage is available, but analysis is rare. Even looking through Nigerian musicians or bloggers, you find the exact same type of sources without any analysis on pretty much every page (especially for the latter). This type of attitude is also why sixth largest country in the world has a musician list smaller than something like Australia. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are several trustworthy sources (more than one). judging from your so-called evidence that means so many articles here List of Nigerian bloggers.List of Nigerian entrepreneurs also fails WP:ANYBIO WP:NG/RS which is clearly unacceptable, I have been editing Wikipedia for years also have contributed to hundreds of wiki project as well as created some page for some top Canadian actors and singer not only Canadian. before i misplaced my laptop and had to start all over again i have come across articles from other countries with less than 5 reliable sources been deemed notable. Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The blogger in question is signed under a major record label in africa Zanku Records and there's about more than one coverage on that alone. Beckyrose233 (talk) 07:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep: Most of the sources listed seems to be reliable according to Nigerian Sources. The article still needs more sources for verification. The BLP sources tag should help with the article improvement in mainspace. Wikispendo (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ Chukwudi, Precious (2022-11-09). "Celebrity music blogger Biesloaded "Adewumi Adeyanju" teases new music featuring Olamide". vanguard. Retrieved 2022-12-14.
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