Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ace Andres

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 08:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ace Andres[edit]

As an artist he fails WP:MUSIC/WP:BAND. No sources to back up claims. Hasn't had a glittering music career that would deem him notable for his own article. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 23:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nn subject. Libs (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 01:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Save Ace Andres has a cult following in The San Fracisco Bay Area, Nashville Tenn. and Atlanta GA. Has been highly publicized by Silicon Valey's "Wave" Magazine and referred to as a Guitar god. Ace Andres was a featured Artist on San Francisco's KGO Radio 810 AM(Top 10 AM Stations in the country) by TV and Radio personality "Pete Wilson". Cowboy Hat Blues was played on various Country format stations and Ace's version of "California Dreamin' is still among the most digially downloaded "cover" version of the song. Ace Andres is also Linked internally to Jill Gibson's page (formerly known as Momma Jill) from the 60's supergroup "The Mamas and the Papas". As Jill recorded with Ace in 2002. Ace's Song and Video "Save Me" is used by various "Right to life" group websites Such as Abortion 911 and the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation The fact that Ace Andres is one of a handful of conservative Rock Musicians (such as the Wright brothers and Ted Nugent) should merit his own article. Ace Andres is a political activist as well as a recording musician. He openly debated congressman Bill Baker (R)Ca in 1995 and was interviewed the next day on the "Savage Nation" by best selling author Michael Savage on KSFO. Since then he has been a frequent guest on the Michael Savage show and "The O'Riley Factor". I assume Wikipedia does not want to be politically biased. Please re-evaluate current page changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey Evans (talk • contribs) 01:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:BAND: his albums all seem to be self-released. What media attention he has received, for his music or his politics, seems to be minor. His biggest claim to notability is the assertion that one of his songs got used as bumper music by several conservative talk shows, but it doesn't say which ones, and it, like everything else in the article, is totally unsourced. As for the implication that deleting this would make Wikipedia politically biased, it's not like we're missing an article on Ted Nugent. — Gwalla | Talk 18:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see new references insert in section 4 Joey Evans (talk) 20:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I see two links to The Wave (seems like a local magazine?), one profile promoting an upcoming show in the Oakland Tribune, and one to a page of videos of Terri Schiavo. Those media mentions aren't enough to demonstrate notability per WP:BAND, and the Schiavo one doesn't mention Ace Andres at all. — Gwalla | Talk 21:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Response

The Wave Magazine has a very large northern California circulation. Unfortunately The Terri Schiavo website has archived the video And Since the passing of Pete Wilson, KGO Radio's Website archived Pete's "Best Of" report Which actually rated Ace Andres #8 (just above Yesterday and Today's Dave Menneketti)It's not Ace's fault that Pete Wilson died last year of a heart attack. That "promotion" in the Tribune was actually a full page interview that ran in all of the "Media News Group" Sunday inserts. Ace was on the front cover with Parker Posey. In response to the Ted Nugent statement, true, you're not missing a Nugent article, but in the entertainment industy, how many politically active conservative artist do you feature? For every conservative artist, you probably have 10,000 liberal artists. It's just the nature of the industry. And if you continue to delete conservative artists; what fun would that be? Who else writes songs about "Pro-Life" issues? And yes, Dr.Laura's producer Ben Pratt, played the controversial song "Save Me" for several weeks in 2006 as bumper music. Call the station and ask him. Joey Evans (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Unfortunately, none of that makes him notable by Wikipedia's standards. BTW, we also delete liberal artists. And a lot of artists whose political inclinations are unknown to us. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines on the notability of musicians. Also, please format your replies. They're hard to read as big unbroken blocks of text. — Gwalla | Talk 00:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If you were a pro-life conservative you would know who this artist is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey Evans (talk • contribs) 00:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And this matters because? JuJube (talk) 01:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete promotional in nature, not meeting the Wikipedia standards. In these kinds of discussions, "cult following" almost always equates to "not notable". JuJube (talk) 01:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I spoke with Ace Andres last night and told him that you were planning to delete his article. His response was: "Tell them God bless them and to go do what they feel they have to do, then enjoy this Holiday weekend." Joey Evans (talk) 14:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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