Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academy Cricket Club

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Academy Cricket Club

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Academy CC play in Section Two (the third tier) of the NCU Senior League, a provincial cricket league in Ireland. That country at present has no national league and the top Sections of each of the four provincial leagues therefore represent the highest level of cricket that can be played there. There is apparently a currently moribund level of competition above these provincial leagues.

Until recently there were articles for other clubs playing at the tier below this. Four of these have been deleted via individual AfD discussions.

A further three clubs at that level are currently the subject of a grouped nomination under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ards Cricket Club.

The Academy CC article at best uses primary sources, is a stub and appears not to pass WP:GNG. The club are playing at the next-but-one lowest level of the provincial league in question and does not appear to qualify as inherently notable under the project guidelines at WP:CRIN. The project guidelines have been subject to a fairly long-winded discussion which petered out without any consensus but with the suggestion that further AfD nominations could assist in determining the project guidelines.

I propose that Academy is deleted per the established precedent for the tier below that in which it plays, perhaps best summarised by the closer of the Dungannon AfD. If it had, for example. actually at some point in its past won the league title or the major cup competition of that league then it might (just) survive but the Junior Cup successes referred to in the article relate to a subsidiary competition which apparently is not open to the Premier tier clubs.

I would also point out that the article creator has been encouraged during the process of the project discussion (in which s/he participated) to provide evidence of notability for numerous articles of this nature and it appears has failed to do so.

I have not submitted these articles to PROD because I am aware that their creator will likely contest. - Sitush (talk) 23:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Fails WP:GNG and WP:CLUB THIRD level non-professional club, in a sport that is not very big in Ireland anyway. Mtking (talk) 07:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. — —Tom Morris (talk) 11:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - club playing senior cricket in Ireland. It also employs a professional. Mooretwin (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, significant club within Ireland - although thought should be given to merging as part of larger article incorporating the Academy RFC (former Senior League club languishing currently within junior ranks - although improving again) and Owls Hockey Club (former winners of the Irish Senior Cup, Ulster Senior League and Ulster Shield) under the Academy Sports Club banner, much the same as Belfast Harlequins, Instonians etc. CIYMS would probably fall into this category also. A lot of this coverage would be found in the Irish dailies - just not on google, so would take wiki volunteers time to gather which might not suit MTKing who seems to want everything now or even better still last week! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.31.1 (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What a coincidence, seeing two users who have not edited for a few days both turn up within minutes of each other, contribute here & then apparently disappear again. If there is such an entity as the Academy Sports Club & the subject of this AfD is a part of it then, indeed, a grouped article might make more sense. Mooretwin's comment, on the other hand, demonstrates the usual lack of understanding that has been an unfortunate tendency of late in the other AfDs referred to above. Employing a professional is not itself a reason for notability, whilst I suspect s/he knows full well that the term "playing senior cricket" is disingenuous: Academcy CC play in the lower ranks of a provincial league and the issues surrounding these lower levels did achieve consensus for prima facie deletion on the recent WT:CRIC discussion even though the wider proposal did not. - Sitush (talk) 12:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the IP seems to contribute to Irish sport articles, but not always constructively and this, not to mention refactoring such as this! - Sitush (talk) 12:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in its current form as not playing at highest level of league cricket. However if the wider sports club is a viable article, then merge to that may also be an option. Johnlp (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG - also, not playing at highest level of league cricket. TerriersFan (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.