Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aboubacar Camara (Guinean goalkeeper)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Lear's Fool 10:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aboubacar Camara (Guinean goalkeeper)[edit]

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PROD was contested by article creator. This article is about a non-notable young player, who fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Being called up to a tournament as a 3rd-choice goalkeeper, and not playing, does not infer notability. Giant Snowman 13:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:07, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note Although Aboubacar Camara is a common name, a search for "Aboubacar Camara (Guinean goalkeeper)" -wikipedia is guaranteed one hit less than a googlewhack. If the search term is uselless, you could use html to provide a search (like this one), and interested editors can check all the other footballers with the same name. Pseudofusulina (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I should have noticed the AfD was not improperly formatted but that a user had improperly removed the AfD nomination from the article. Pseudofusulina (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 03:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL GauchoDude (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - going to a major tournament is definitely notable enough, and to delete his article would make WP's coverage of the 2012 ANC incomplete. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 09:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please can you point me in the direction of policy/guidelines which state being a squad member at a tournament makes you notable? That sets a dangerous precedent for squad members at professional clubs (say they're 17, just got their first contract and given a squad number) who "make coverage of Arsenal/Man Utd incomplete". Giant Snowman 09:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say anything about policy or guidelines, I was just expressing my opinion - we're allowed to disagree with policy, or they'd never change. An ANC squad member differs from an Arsenal squad member in that Camara will always be on the 2012 ANC squad list, whereas a club's squad list changes all the time. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 10:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An Arsenal squad member will always be in the 2011-12 Arsenal squad, will they not? Giant Snowman 10:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but that's a lot less significant than a major international tournament. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 10:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I'd say an Arsenal prospect probably gets more coverage than a young ANC 3rd choice keeper... Giant Snowman 10:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but in terms of Wikipedia, the ANC will make the front page, but a club's season will be secondary to the club's article. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ANC might; Guinea's 2012 squad list probably won't. Giant Snowman 11:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But surely a tournament's squad list is a much more important page than a club's season? It's also more selective, so I don't see why one would set a precedent for the other as long as the policy/guideline was specific. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - I'm inclined to agree with ArtVandelay on this. Regardless of whether they end up playing or not, players called up for major international tournaments generally receive a fair amount of media attention. Furthermore, the case isn't completely without precedent either. I'm not able to find it, but there was an afd about a year ago that of a Japanese goalkeeper who has been called to the Olympic squad but didn't play, which resulted in keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please feel free to evidence the "fair amount of media attention" this player has received. Giant Snowman 09:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. --Egghead06 (talk) 12:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above plus WP:BLP1E, according to which, a low-profile individual being in the news only in the context of a single event (i.e. the 2012 ANC), does not mean they should have a Wikipedia article. The fact that the "news" about this player amounts to just above zero, since he didn't even participate, adds weight to the decision to remove the page. Cloudz 679 12:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.