Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhinav Education Society's College of Pharmacy ( B.Pharm.)A/P Narhe, Pune 411041

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The result was delete. Neıl ☎ 10:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abhinav Education Society's College of Pharmacy ( B.Pharm.)A/P Narhe, Pune 411041[edit]

I realize full well that articles ought to be given a chance to develop. However, I do not know that a small institution that is less than one year old will be able to pass the threshold of notability, no matter how long it is given to develop. Pastordavid (talk) 18:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:ADVERT created by SPA User:Abhinavpharmacy with an obvious COI. Further, the article cannot possibly survive under the given title. Also, here-today-gone-tomorrow "colleges" are a feature of the Indian vocational-training landscape, and if this isn't one of them, the article will come back in a couple of years. No need to keep the advert around until then. -- Fullstop (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, advert. Stifle (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - by long precedent tertiary degree awarding bodies are notable. The advert/spam content was easily fixed as was the naming problem. TerriersFan (talk) 23:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per long-standing precedent that all tertiary schools which confer degrees can certainly be shown to be notable. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 02:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not trying to be dense here, but where in the notability guidelines would one find that precedent? I cannot seem to find that written anywhere, but could just be looking in the wrong places. Pastordavid (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - You are not being dense at all. It is not written down but notability has been established by, as I say, "by long precedent". There are many subjects that through many AfDs have de facto been established as notable even if not de jure. Examples, outside of education, are:

inhabited settlements
numbered roads
airports
railway stations
super-regional malls
peers of the realm
listed national heritage buildings and sites
government organisations
species of fauna and flora

HTH. TerriersFan (talk) 15:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- - Sort of. Much of the above I would find on WP:NOTE (or the subpages), or WP:OUTCOMES. But I see nothing about the granting of degrees making a school inherently notable. Indeed, I don't even see anything about that in the proposed guideline WP:SCHOOL. 15:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:SCHOOL applies to primary and secondary education but not to tertiary - perhaps we should fix that. TerriersFan (talk) 15:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would indeed be nice to have something written down somewhere about it, rather than an unwritten rule/guideline. Pastordavid (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with WP:School, IMHO, is that there are deeply-entrenched factions within the community who continue to battle over the wording, apparently concerned that the slightest concession will cause their side to lose ground and go down the slippery slope. The language and intention of WP:School is constantly changing, to the extent that I do not even make reference to it anymore; as inevitably, as soon as I do, somebody can use the "current" wording of it against my position. That all aside, it has been shown by a preponderance of evidence, in the form of closed AfD's, that certain classes of educational institutions are always kept at AfD. Such is true of high schools, and any tertiary school that confers degrees. You can find that in the history of WP:School; but as I said, putting it back there will only result in it being removed again. This does not mean that there is no concensus on the matter, it just means that it is impossible to keep ahead of the factions who oppose it, effecively creating a force majeure. The guideline is quite in effect, however, as TerriersFan says, de facto, although not de jure. (I think TF is quoting me on that, no?). Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 17:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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