Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullahi Boos Ahmed
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Despite the extra 7 days, no further arguments regarding a potential rename have been advanced. Daniel (talk) 10:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Abdullahi Boos Ahmed[edit]
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This article fails on notability per WP:BIO. At this point, I have done extensive searching of the minister's name beyond what is expected in WP:BEFORE, and have not found a single source supporting their notability (or even their existence, for that matter). In addition, the one source on the article only contains a passing mention of the minister among a list of other names. This directly goes against the notion of presumed notability as the subject is not significantly covered in multiple published sources, yet it has been claimed that the article should still be kept per WP:POLITICIAN. However, that policy specifically states that the person being a minister is a "secondary criterion" to notability, and I have found no evidence thus far supporting that the subject of this article is notable to begin with. Leafy46 (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Somalia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Cabinet ministers pass WP:NPOL, so notability is without question. The real question is whether he surpasses WP:NOPAGE. The trouble with Somali biographies is that names can be so varied, and the country has very little internet access so there aren't many online news websites. Curbon7 (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Was able to find some sources using the alternative spelling Abdalla Bos Ahmed. He seems to have also been minister of education beginning in 2008 ([1]). He also appears to have been seriously injured in a terrorist attack in 2016 ([2][3]). Curbon7 (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- For some reason, there appears to be confusion between this subject and Mohamed Abdi Mohamed, such as in the 2011 Statesman's Yearbook, which lists Abdullahi Boos Ahmed as Minister of Defence for the period when Mohamed Abdi Mohamed held the office. His names in Somali seem to be Cabdalla Bos Axmed and Cabdullaahi Boos Axmed, but I was not able to find much with either name. Sources likely to be offline, though I'm not entirely confident. Curbon7 (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking into this! I'm still not entirely convinced that the biography should be a standalone page, but it is definitely fair to argue that many of the sources are likely offline. If nothing else, I'd say that a page move and redirects are probably in order given that the current title of the page seems to be a non-standard Anglicization of a Somali name. Leafy46 (talk) 03:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- For some reason, there appears to be confusion between this subject and Mohamed Abdi Mohamed, such as in the 2011 Statesman's Yearbook, which lists Abdullahi Boos Ahmed as Minister of Defence for the period when Mohamed Abdi Mohamed held the office. His names in Somali seem to be Cabdalla Bos Axmed and Cabdullaahi Boos Axmed, but I was not able to find much with either name. Sources likely to be offline, though I'm not entirely confident. Curbon7 (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Was able to find some sources using the alternative spelling Abdalla Bos Ahmed. He seems to have also been minister of education beginning in 2008 ([1]). He also appears to have been seriously injured in a terrorist attack in 2016 ([2][3]). Curbon7 (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Clear pass of WP:POLITICIAN, which provides for a presumption of notability for cabinet ministers. To my knowledge, a person holding a cabinet-level position has never been deleted at AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, it looks like this is a probably Keep but I thought I'd relist so that editors could consider a possible rename. Those discussions typically happen after an AFD closure but I think if this discussion is closed, editors will quickly move on to other discussions and this article will likely be forgotten. So, allow me delay this closure to solicit more opinions on this possible article page move.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Clearly passes NPOL. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️Let's Talk ! 06:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: civil servant, passes WP:POLITICIAN. ---Tumbuka Arch (talk) 09:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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