Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Qodir Jaelani

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The result was delete. MER-C 12:50, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Qodir Jaelani

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Limited sources. JLOPO (talk) 07:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ~~Keep~~ (Struck the Keep comment; see comment below) The nominator has nominated this article for Afd primarily as his speedy A7 tag was rejected by me. There are innumerable RS on the subject, and the subject presumably easily qualifies on GNG. Of course, the discussion on whether the subject qualifies on GNG can continue in this Afd.Lourdes 07:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable musician who mainly gets attention due to family ties.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:37, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article was created by a sockpuppet of a user who was blocked at the time. If not for the significant edits by other users, I would have speedily deleted it per WP:G5. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:13, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It would be nice if a neutral editor can take a look at the article in its current state with 20 or something sources (of course, not all significant, but some are), and take a call. Lourdes 03:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Last relist, source analysis needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I took a neutral look through the English language sources, he would appear to me to be a son of a notable musician, but not notable in his own right XyzSpaniel'Talk to me 19:35, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzspaniel, and thanks for the inputs. As there are 24 total sources and English sources are only 5 or so, I am wondering if there is someone who can check through the non-English sources too. But I had another query. The following English sources seem to provide a non-trivial and substantial mention of the subject: Jakarta Post, 2nd article from Jakarta Post, Yahoo Singapore, Jakarta Globe, another Jakarta Globe article. The subject seems to qualify on WP:BASIC in my opinion, purely considering the English sources. Of course, there are the other 20 non-English sources. He is a famous rocker's son, which all newspaper's quote, but the newspapers at the same time also discuss the subject at length. What would be your inputs on my BASIC query? Thanks in advance for your comments. Lourdes 01:15, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lourdes I took a look through those articles and again they all seem to introduce the subject as "the son of" rather than himself having any significance. We really need someone to look at the Indonesian language articles for their view of this too. XyzSpaniel'Talk to me 09:05, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Xyzspaniel, thank you for taking the time to review. I'll also follow your advise and try to see if there's someone with Indonesian language familiarity. Lourdes 09:15, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

delete I know nothing of the subject. However, a simple search of online news sources normally considered reliable and independent show that there are none that I can find. For example, top listings in google are the Wikipeida article in question, some youtube videos, pintrest, etc. I cannot find any measure of notability that we use here. I admit that I am not qualified to review the sources in the article so I will assume good faith with another individual's assessment. If they are found worthy, feel free to strike my position in this AFD. I won't be insulted.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:PROMO / WP:TNT; even if the subject were notable, there's nothing in the article to suggest that: none of the acts he was associated with are notable, and there are no other indications of significance. Then there's section on Car crash, which is just tabloid trivia. There's nothing in the article that's worth keeping at this time. K.e.coffman (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've changed my Keep to Delete post the various comments of editors here. Lourdes 16:12, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As I have said from the beginning. JLOPO (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is patent WP:NOTNEWS material. I am also concerned about the BLP aspects: the subject is a 16 year old and I don't see significant coverage about him apart from the accident. The subject doesn't inherit notability from his parents articles of the accident itself. I don't see any claim of significance here either. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:23, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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