Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdelrahman ElGendy

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 04:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abdelrahman ElGendy[edit]

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG--provided sources are either not independent or are passing mentions or non-mentions in articles about the group of political prisoners with whom he was detained. Article was created by a sockmaster who was focused on promotional articles on Egyptian human rights figures (master was blocked after the creation of this article, so this is not eligible for a G5 speedy). A search for better sources turned up articles written by him, but nothing from reliable sources about him. --Finngall ^talk 01:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. --Finngall ^talk 01:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am actually one of this writer's readers (I added the most recent edits after I watched his latest interview and did not find it on the page here; I assume that's what triggered the deletion request), and after some research I did find significant, consistent coverage for his case in both English and Arabic outlets (I am highlighting that the "reliability" of news outlets is not synonymous with them being "western". The local coverage is indeed extensive on his case.)

His interviews and articles written by him are just his work; I am not sure why they would discredit his notability if they were also included within the wiki page.

Here is a list of independent local and international media outlets and organizations that I managed to find covering this writer exclusively, and not in passing mention with others:

Case profile on MENA Rights group: https://menarights.org/en/caseprofile/egyptian-minor-sentenced-adult-after-demonstrators-are-tried-en-masse

HuffPost: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-nightmare-egyptian-ab_b_11679360

Ryersonian: https://ryersonian.ca/my-friend-is-in-prison-and-im-helpless-post-egyptian-revolution/

Egyptian Prison Atlas: https://egyptprisonatlas.org/donation/abd-el-rahman-mohamed-mostafa-al-gendy/

Mada Masr: https://www.madamasr.com/ar/2019/12/30/feature/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A9/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AB%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86-30-%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%A5%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%86/

Raseef22: https://raseef22.net/article/1076747-%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%84-%D8%B7%D9%81%D9%84%D8%A7-%D9%88%D8%AE%D8%B3%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D9%82%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%82%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AC-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%86

Cairo24: https://www.cairo24.com/498699

Al Arabi Al Jadeed: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%86-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8-%22%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9%22%C2%A0%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%A9-5-%D8%A3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%85%C2%A0%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%86%D9%87-6-%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA

Daarb: https://daaarb.com/%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%A7-%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%85-%D8%A5%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%B6%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%B3/

Nawafez:

https://nwafez.com/%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%86-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%8A-5-%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A3%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D9%84/

Masr AlArabia:

https://masralarabia.net/%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7/433861-%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AE%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%88%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9-%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B4%D9%88%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%B3

Asia Times https://asiatimes.com/2019/12/arb-egypt-child-arrested-2013-aftermath-released/

Based on that, and taking into consideration his written, visual and audio interviews with both local and international entities in addition to widely-published work in both Arabic and English; I argue that the profile indeed passes the threshold for notability and reliability.

As for the page being created by a sockmaster, I argue that if they did breach the policies later after creating this page, it does not necessarily mean all pages created/edited by them are not legit.

Thank you for your efforts in maintaining the community.

Has a consensus been reached yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:901:CFD0:4D56:F442:F9C2:F5B1 (talk) 18:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If no one is contributing to the discussion or offering any alternatives, shouldn't the deletion tag be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:901:CFD0:D1D4:930:7041:935D (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Looking at the above sources:

HuffPost: Published on their (now-closed) Contributor platform, which is not subject to editorial oversight. Not reliable, not neutral, doesn't appear to be independent.
Ryersonian: Editorial, not neutral.
Egyptian Prison Atlas: compilation of basic data on the subject, not useful for establishing notability.
Mada Masr: Report on subject's release from site which he has been a contributor, not neutral.
Raseef22: Better than the above, but still more editorial comment than news report.
Cairo24: Report on his release, adds nothing further.
Al Araby: Routine report on his sentencing.
Daarb: Report on his release, completely redundant with Cairo24 reference.
Nwafez: Carbon copy of the Al Araby reference.
Masr AlArabia: He wrote a letter to a friend, most of the article is the contents of the letter. Not neutral or independent.
Asia Times: Yet another redundant report on his release.

There are many editors on here who are better at source analysis than I am, and I hope that one or more of them chimes in here, but in my view the sources above do not add up to a set of reliable, independent or in-depth references which satisfies WP:GNG. --Finngall ^talk 20:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not quite sure why "routine reports" on a case are not an evidence of notability, given that this is a country with tens of thousands of political prisoners on average at any given moment, are there "routine reports" on all of them? His case alone has 68 people, over 30 of which have been released on pardons as reported in several sources, are there "routine reports" on each of them? The fact that his case plus his writings are getting that media attention and exclusive coverage is a proof of notability per se, if not enough on its own, then at least as supplementary to him being actually published and written about and hosted on various platforms.

But, I still looked up more, and more has come up that looks very detailed, intentional, and independent.

His story, writings, and activism are widely referenced in reports and analyses around the political situation in Egypt. Some of them are wholly centred on his story and writings, and others use them as a main reference they draw upon in an argument or political analysis.

This is an op ed drawing on his story and prison writing in a political analysis on Egypt in 2019: https://www.alquds.co.uk/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9/

This is another article drawing on his activism and writings on current prisoners to shed light on the prison situation in Egypt in 2022: https://ghadnews.net/ar/post/2772

This is a detailed coverage of his release and backstory: https://www.fj-p.com/288784/%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D8%A5%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%B4%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A5%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B3%D8%A8/

This is an article in 2021 about a viral campaign he launched and managed for his incarcerated friend covering both their stories and the campaign by Abdelrahman: https://arabicpost.net/opinions/2021/04/13/%d8%a3%d8%ba%d9%86%d9%8a%d8%a9-%d8%b9%d9%87%d8%af-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a3%d8%b5%d8%af%d9%82%d8%a7%d8%a1-%d9%87%d9%84-%d8%aa%d9%85%d9%86%d8%ad-%d8%a3%d9%8a%d9%85%d9%86-%d9%85%d9%88%d8%b3%d9%89-%d9%81/

This is a Spanish news report on one of the biggest Spanish media outlets on Egyptian prison writing relying heavily on his story, writing and statements in its content: https://elpais.com/internacional/2022-01-07/la-vida-entre-rejas-se-hace-literatura-en-egipto.html?prm=ep-app-cabecera It was big enough to be translated and published in Arabic on another reputable Arabic platform: https://www.noonpost.com/content/42885

This is the latest news report from AlJazeera on his latest creative writing scholarship and the book project he's currently working on: https://mubasher.aljazeera.net/news/2022/8/10/%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87-6-%D8%B3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%82%D9%82-%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%85%D9%87

I am not sure how a political prisoner, writer, and activist who's been widely and consistently covered in news and published on various platforms and hosted on different outlets between 2013 and 2022 does not pass the notability threshold. I of course would love to hear others' input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:901:CFD0:CAB:E406:9AD6:32EB (talk) 19:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2601:547:901:CFD0:CAB:E406:9AD6:32EB, please stop adding content to this deletion discussion. It's too much. No one is going to read through all of the content you have posted here and the volume makes it less likely editors will even venture to assess this article. Without more participation, this discussion will just be relisted until we have more opinions offered on what to do with this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that the whole motive behind nominating the article for deletion was asking for more reliable resources? I was not aware of a limit on the number of found resources I could add to the discussion for reference. Anyways, I have already added my response to the concerns that the argument for deletion is based on; I won't be adding more. Thank you. 2601:547:901:CFD0:65EB:9BCB:DD8F:EB35 (talk) 20:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, we need some eyes on this article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the sources given all appear minor mentions as discussed, "stuff happens to man" without really much else discussed. Oaktree b (talk) 11:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article's creator was blocked for socking, every account that has contributed to the article was an SPA, and immediately upon RfD, an IP shows up to ass-blast the RfD with 1000 low quality sources? Let's call a WP:SPADE here and get this nonsense off of Wikipedia. BrigadierG (talk) 12:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, per above. Haueirlan (talk) 15:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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