Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Martin (Football)

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have now restored this article as Mr. Martin has made his first start for Southampton F.C., a League One team. Stifle (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Martin (Football)[edit]

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Subject fails both WP:ATHLETE and WG:GNG. Prod of this article was contested on the grounds that he likely meet WP:ATHLETE in the near future. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - although Martin may be in Southampton's first team squad, he has made just one appearance on the substitute's bench without actually playing for the first team in a competitive match. As the highest level at which he has actually played is ~~Conference South~~ Conference National, he does not reach the notability requirements of WP:ATHLETE. If he makes it in the Football League, the article can be re-created then. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Saying that he will pass ATHLETE is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Delete for now with no prejudice against recreation should he make his first-team debut in the future. Big Dom 19:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver seren^C 19:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have tagged this article for rescue. Silver seren^C 19:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have added some sources to the article, enough to qualify him for WP:GNG, as they are significant coverage about him. He also passes WP:ATHLETE because he plays for Football League One, which is accepted as a fully professional league, which means that he meets #1 of WP:ATHLETE. So, all in all, he meets both notability standards handily. Silver seren^C 19:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - he may be on the books of a Football League One club, he has never played for them; thus, he fails WP:ATHLETE. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Despite all of those sources that the guy above me added, he has yet to pass Wp:ATHLETE or Wp:GNG. (And he needs to re-read Wp:ATHLETE - you need to play for them, rather than merely being a member of their team.) DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 19:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please update me what Wp:ATHLETE and Wp:GNG is? I gather that they have to have apps for a professional club but doesn't Salisbury count with 13 apps and a goal for Aaron? thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monts 94sfc (talk • contribs) 19:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Please just click on those links and read. Thanks. — Satori Son 19:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've clicked on the links Wp:ATHLETE says a fully professional athlete like the olympics which could be the equivalent to the premier league down to the conference premier. Wp:GNG says i have to log in and something about an email when i am logged in. I am new member thus the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monts 94sfc (talk • contribs) 19:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry, I don't know why it's not properly directing you to WP:GNG. Try this full URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG#General_notability_guideline — Satori Son 20:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment to Monts 94sfc - We have a list of fully-professional leagues, and the appearance of a player in one of them grants them notability. Due to the presence of teams like Histon and Hayes & Yeading (both of whom are amatuer teams), the Conference National isn't considered fully-professional. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 23:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete Clearly does not meet the standards Wp:ATHLETE. Perhaps with more references, or claims other actions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakee73 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added a total of 9 references to cover all of Aaron's career, although it doesn't meet Wp:ATHLETE , it should meet WP:GNG as they are significant coverage about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monts 94sfc (talk • contribs) 00:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out that GNG requires significan coverage, not just sources. What you've added is fairly routine journalism. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Our other option would be to incubate the article for a little while until his Saints debut, which, looking at various sources, seems like it should be in a month or so. Silver seren^C 00:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Most of the coverage seems on news sites that require you to pay to read their archives, but there is clearly plenty of the football player. [1] Dream Focus 00:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Most of these G-hits predate this Martin's career and relate to various American Football players. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This search is a bit more precise. I think I see five hits in there about this guy, mainly local press covering his signing for a pro club in a "local boy made good" sort of way....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete footballer fails WP:ATH. Also fails WP:GNG due to a lack of significant media coverage that does not fail WP:NTEMP. --Jimbo^[online] 13:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - if the article is kept, it should be moved to the correct title Aaron Martin (footballer)........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 21:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Put Back on Immediatley -

What a waste of time for me creating it and you deleting it, he is making his DEBUT TODAY for Southampton alongside Jose Fonte at Centre Back!!!