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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After substantial editing of the page there is still some concern about the page being too much of an advertisement specificaly the inclusion of results on the various examinations. This concern can be dealt with through normal editing. J04n(talk page) 13:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aakash Educational Services Limited[edit]

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Highly promotional article for tutoring service, including a non-encyclopediclist of branches and of every exam they prepare for. I deleted as G11, but they asked for another opinion,. DGG ( talk ) 15:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Its better to delete this article and merge non-advertising content from this with the article on Aakash institute.Skullbaron (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - illogical argument by Soonyam.arya. what does it matter who nominates for deletion? The content is advertising and against wikipedia's policy. So it has to go even if one million users say it should be allowed and only one says it should go. Advertisements have no place in wikipedia. Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aakash_Educational_Services_Limited&diff=539208689&oldid=538940185 Above link is a fine example to show how the same user Soonyam.arya insisted on keeping content which later the article creator him/herself admitted is advertising and removed it. 112.79.41.169 (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are doing the same silly things here. Satya563 (talk) 11:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - After removing & correcting raised issues by DGG, I don't think that any promotional material exists now. Article can be improved more if some one advices about unwanted things. Wikipedia have lots of articles with many issues where we need to find the way of improvement. I never prefer to delete such article which is firstly submitted for review by one user (while the user could create that article directly) and moved to article space by another user while there is no connection can be found between the two. Rajaniphysio (talk) 13:29, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:NOTADVERT it also doesn't establish notability per WP:CORP DavidTTTaylor (talk) 13:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

// I never prefer to delete such article which is firstly submitted for review by one user (while the user could create that article directly) and moved to article space by another user while there is no connection can be found between the two.// this sentence does not make sense at all. If someone can translate it into english it'd be highly appreciated. 112.79.42.176 (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep- Author has already deleted the raised issues and things also corrected. So, it looks like a keep-worth article. TrueBisector (talk) 04:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it does not meet notability requirements as per wikipedia guidelines. Skullbaron (talk) 07:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Notability concern was never with this article. The main concern was promotional things which is already removed. Satya563 (talk) 08:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - funny to see page author voting. Does it even count? Skullbaron (talk) 10:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - You proposed for Deletion. Voted above as "Its better to delete this article and merge non-advertising content from this with the article on Aakash institute.Skullbaron" for merging this article with other. Now twice times you voted for deletion. Does it even count? Satya563 (talk) 10:14, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Admins are not fools and they don't take more than one vote per ID. Article author's vote won't count. I suggest you go thru the links posted by davidTTTaylor to understand why this article must be purged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skullbaron (talk • contribs) 10:18, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Don't try to take emotional advantages. Admins are not fools, every body knows. You expressed your vote very first, and started voting again and again. Also voted as a non-registered user. Admins should keep it in mind while taking decision. Satya563 (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - never realized that Satya563 has proofs that I posted as a non-registered user. Either he posts those proofs here or apologizes to me for baseless accusations. Skullbaron (talk) 12:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - every body can check that these IP addresses belong to same locations or not as I mentioned earlier .i.e. Gurgaon region or Chennai region.

Suspected IP addresses: 112.79.41.169 (Used to Delete Aakash Institute, can be checked in history) 112.79.42.176 112.79.41.174 112.79.42.107 112.79.41.163 112.79.41.92 112.79.40.118 112.79.41.221 112.79.42.131

122.164.154.143 122.164.160.233 117.198.125.69 117.198.126.153 117.198.140.33 Admins should probe these IP addresses used for same purpose. Simply, it shows that the additions or deletions are fully intentional. Satya563 (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - your suspicions are immaterial if you have no solid proof. If you want to promote your brand, feel free to do so in the company's website. Each and every program the company offers need not be given in detail. Words like 'toughest competitive exam in India' are not part of an encyclopedian article. Provide facts. Let the reader decide what he wants to. Make it short and sweet. External links for further reading can elaborate what you want to say. Aesl does not meet the conditions laid down by wiki for being notable. Aakash institute may, but aesl does not. A section called aesl can be created in Aakash institute but then again, don't write elaborate paragraphs. Let me repeat, wikipedia is NOT a place for advertising. Skullbaron (talk) 17:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 19:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relist rationale: Would like to hear opinions if the edits made since this nomination have addressed the concerns of the nominator (and PLEASE only one !vote per participant). J04n(talk page) 19:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • still delete it has been improved substantially. My most serious problem with it is the listing of results on the various examinations. I know we include university rankings as a matter of course, and a few articles on high schools have them also; some high school article mention the success at university entrance, but not in this sort of detail. If it's removed, a better case could be made. It can still be in the references. DGG ( talk ) 22:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dear DGG, I already asked to you that please mention what changes you need so that it can be improved or please make required changes yourself so that the article meets Wikipedia guidelines. For improvement, there is not a single question made by any Wikipedia user. Satya563 (talk) 04:41, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And if listing results is your main problem, please go through this article Resonance Kota. It is also in tutoring service and at this article, year-wise results listed and there is no promotional or nomination for deletion tag posted. In comparison, at Aakash Educational Services Limited nothing posted. Only mentioned exams for which AESL coaches for. Satya563 (talk) 07:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the following are only few examples of lines from article which show why the article is ambiguous or advertising.

//Today brand Aakash has become known for professional coaching in Medical and Engineering entrance exams across India. //Aakash Institute has a record of endowing rankers across India in some of the toughest medical entrance exams //To cater to a diverse blend of aspirants across India, Aakash Educational Services Limited has devised customized programs. From Regular Classroom Programs (RCP),[3] Distance Learning Programs (DLP) to E-learning Programs, Aakash has it all. Also there are varied duration based courses designed as per the requirement of a candidate viz. long-term courses, short-term courses, test-series courses, crash courses etc. to suit the careerists. - highly advertising content //] Aakash Educational Services pioneered the sponsorship; the company Director Aakash Chaudhry felt that their services were well matched to both the show, and its Season 6 theme of The Power of Knowledge - the director's name has been tagged and the link leads to 'Aakash institute'. Intent to advertise by creating web presence seems to be the only motive of this article. Hence, delete. Skullbaron (talk) 05:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep- dear Skullbaron, the points which you are raising, make it more encyclopedic rather referring to delete article again and again. Satya563 (talk) 06:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - note to DGG - since author of article is not willing to accept lines I've mentioned as advertising, leave alone remove them article should be deleted. Skullbaron (talk) 08:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep note to J04n - you strictly requested that "PLEASE only one vote per participant" when relisted but user Skullbaron started to vote again and again. And in reply, I have to defend my article. Please do needful to restrict this kind of voting. Satya563 (talk) 08:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Raised issues almost resolved. As per my opinion, article should be kept as it is a parent company under which all three wings are running. TrueBisector (talk) 10:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Again started voting from IP addresses. Admin will take care of it while taking decision. Satya563 (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the infobox doesn't seem to be anything different from that found in "aakash institute". This article does not seem to add any useful information to the database except blatant advertising for the company. Melcro.minion (talk) 10:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Newly created account for just voting and misusing Wikipedia rights. Admin should take care of it. Satya563 (talk) 11:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You need not scrutinize my id or tell Admins what to do, thank you very much. And your justification for keeping your article is, (sorry if in sound rude) lame at the very face of it.Melcro.minion (talk) 11:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the points mentioned by skullbaron indeed show nothing but blatant advertising.signing post for 112.79.40.243--J04n(talk page) 11:14, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Either 112.79.40.243 or 122.164.134.211, same series of IP addresses are used to Vote as I mentioned above in first discussion. It shouldn't be considered as voting. Rather it should be considered for ignorance. Even these series of IP addresses started adding/deleting content from both articles and now using these IP addresses for voting. If this is the way of voting, none of the article can be saved at Wikipedia. It shows the intention and my articles should be kept as it is. Satya563 (talk) 11:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- by seeing discussion from top to bottom, it seems something wrong and intentional. And it shows that Wikipedia can also be used for negativity. Very surprising. Rajaniphysio (talk) 11:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - only few users viz. Sathya, Rajaniphysio, truebisector and soonyam.arya seem to be interested in promoting the brand. All others who discuss agree that article is promotional. Avantador.driver (talk) 12:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Again newly created account on 20 March 2013 at 11:17 (Today). Misusing Wikipedia for voting. Satya563 (talk) 12:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If I analyze it from past 15 days activities in both articles history, it just looks like controversy between the two tutoring sector providers. 115.249.111.106 (talk) 13:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment

I'll do a full detailed analysis of the article once again and give total justification for its deletion. 1. There is a section called 'Aakash institute' in the article on which article creator has created separate page. What is the justification? Any citations to show both Aakash institute and aesl meet the notability condition laid down by wiki separately and independently?

2. Words like 'toughest exam in India' are used. Who decides what's 'toughest'? The words are simply ambiguous if not advertising

3. 'Aakash has it all' - only an advertisement will contain these words not a neutral encyclopedia

4. //Aakash Educational Services pioneered the sponsorship; the company Director Aakash Chaudhry felt that their services were well matched to both the show, and its Season 6 theme of The Power of Knowledge// - why advertise about what the company director feels? What does the word 'feels' have to do in a fact-based encyclopedia?

In reference to wiki guidelines of notability, this 'institute' fails to meet the standards set. This is not preventing the author from intently advertising about it though. Hence, requesting article deletion by admin. 122.164.134.211 (talk) 19:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment- It is very surprising the way you are commenting here. Citing one existing article to another existing article on Wikipedia is called "Mark up" or "Wikify". So, you can't say it is promotional. Please read related sections at Wikipedia. Satya563 (talk) 04:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You two need to stop !voting, use comment to start your posts please. J04n(talk page) 11:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete doesn't seem notable, or bear any strong relationship to anything notable through which it might acquire some notability. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The article is written article's subject appears to fail WP:CORP. Other than a few scant sources, a few press releases and non-significant coverage is all the subject has, and that's not enough to justify an article. It is odd seeing this many Aakash-related single-purpose accounts with fewer than 100 edits giving keep rationales, as it is seeing this many IP addresses and new accounts giving delete rationales. However, the article's edit history, when the article was created, and who nominated it for deletion are immaterial to whether it should be kept or not. - SudoGhost 21:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- Well referenced, notable and keep worth article as well as pointed issues by nominator already improved. Soonyam.arya (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You already did a "keep" above, you don't need to and shouldn't repeat a bolded recommendation multiple times. - SudoGhost 05:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I voted here as it is relisted for discussion and consensus. anything wrong? Soonyam.arya (talk) 05:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless you specifically strike your previous "keep" and change it to something else, the closing admin will assume that you are still of that opinion, so there's no need to repeat it. That's not to say that you can't or shouldn't discuss the article, but you shouldn't put "keep" or "delete" or anything in bold more than once. - SudoGhost 05:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the fruitful information. I was not aware with that. You will not find the same mistake at Wikipedia in future. Soonyam.arya (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment - dear Satya563 - please justify the issues raised by the 122.164 IP. 112.79.41.128 (talk) 06:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Firstly, please mention full IP address: i.e. 122.164.134.211 (a series of suspected one).
1. Already replied as "Mark up" / "Wikify".
2. 'toughest exam in India' - Go and search top 10 exams in India and you will find IIT-JEE, AIIMS or AIEEE in that. Any way for your reference (http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2011/02/top-10-entrance-exams-in-india-what-and-how/).
3. 'Aakash has it all' - You should improve it rather propose or nominate for deletion. Improving Wikipedia content is not restricted for anyone.
4. I already checked it. Please check carefully that this section is recently improved by AnthonyW90. And if you find any relation with that user on Wikipedia as everything on Wikipedia is verifiable, I will withdraw my all opinions. By just raising question here and there, you guys can't divert the discussion. Satya563 (talk) 07:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as concerned issues either removed from article or improved by Wikipedia users. Sssbk.in (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Much referenced and notable article. No reason found to delete it especially after improvements done. Malla.nepal (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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