Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A State Of Trance 2008

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 21:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A State Of Trance 2008[edit]

According to WP:MUSIC: "Articles and information about albums with confirmed release dates in the near future must be confirmed by reliable sources and should use the {{future-album}} tag. Until there is sufficient reliably sourced information about a future album, early information about it should be in the artist's article only, not in a separate article about the unreleased album." And: "All articles on albums or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The label's website is hardly an independent source and the article therefore fails WP:MUSIC. This was explained on the article's talk page, but the only reaction was removal of the speedy delete tag. (Article was initially tagged for speedy deletion. Tag was removed twice by User:A State Of Trance and then a third time by User:Alexander Vince. According to this these users are the same person and this therefore constitutes -perhaps not technically but at least in spirit- a violation of WP:3RR. Note that this edit was made just after the third removal of the speedy tag. All this is not a reason for deletion of course, but I give this history for the sake of completeness). Crusio (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of articles about albums that haven't been released yet. i don't see how this one is any different. -- A State Of Trance (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably true, but: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Crusio (talk) 16:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete already and quit the bleeping relistings. No sources, WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 01:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There will be sources available following its release. It does fail the criterion for inclusion at the moment. E_dog95'^{Hi '} 02:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Given the widespread notability of AVB, as well as the past success of the ASOT show and CD's, there is no doubt that this release will be notable. There also seems to be a significant amount of traffic on music sites, stores, and forums (including AVB's official forum). There also appears to be an official announcement regarding its release. Sourcing concerns are valid, but given that full release is less than a few weeks away, I fail to see the utility in deleting the article at this point. / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Despite all the apparent excitement, there are still no reliable sources as per WP policy. The text of the article can be saved in your userspace (or that of the creator of this article). Once reliable and verifiable sources become available and show that this album has become notable, you can re-create the article. But at this point, an article is not justifed as WP cannot forecast the future. --Crusio (talk) 09:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.