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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack the notability required for inclusion. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AN Games Studio[edit]

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Article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. None of the current sources cover the company in any depth, especially enough to write a reliable article on the topic. There are no worthwhile redirect targets. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 15:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 15:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • @Czar: * Keep Incase if you have not noticed reference #6 http://jets.iti.gov.eg/newsDetailView/4385 is a very reliable source especially when it's from an egyptian government website. i mean what reference can be more legit. anyway i contacted the company and they seem happy to cooperate Aelpop (talk) 02:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Dear Czar thanks alot for review efforts, this is ahmed fawzy ceo and founder of the company, sorry for any conflict, our game studio is officially recorded @ government, and we have any official papers required for that, we have been also listed on http://www.gamedevmap.com under egypt which is very trusted website for listing official game studios arround the world they also checked official records. If you need any extra official proves such as our studio contracts and governmental papers scan let me know please to send or include as references and I will do with pleasure, you can also make sure our official website is made by me by checking who is angamesstudio.com and you have my official email on my account profile. Thanks a lot mate Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC) — Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
(I didn't get your ping—they only send when you sign your post (with four tildes) in the same edit.) The reliable sources guideline has more about what constitutes a reliable source—we don't need official government sources or really popular pages, but news outlets with a reputation for reliability and fact-checking who cover the topic in depth. This is to say that it's not really about cooperation but the type of available sources. We have examples of some such sources at WP:VG/RS, but I've already searched them for your company and didn't find anything. While we're on the subject, please do keep the COI guidelines in mind when editing. We ask editors with financial affiliations to declare their interest on the article's talk page. czar 15:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: Thanks for being a good guide. i think the only reason you didn't find anything that the game industry in egypt are just getting started and this something happened years ago globally in other countries. so it won't get the global attention. but the event was a big impact of of course in egypt and was mentioned all over the egyptian media as it appears for example in reference #7 http://egypttoday.com/blog/2013/12/11/apps-that-make-a-difference. this will be the history of the game industry in egypt. which is so important to record at the moment. Aelpop (talk) 19:53, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That may indeed be the case, but WP is a tertiary source that collects reliable, secondary sources on topics. So when a topic such as this does not have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?), we have to wait until it does to give it a dedicated article. If, on the other hand, there are enough sources for an article on the Egyptian video game industry, that could be an option, but unless you're able to dig up lots of reliable Egyptian newspaper coverage dedicated to this developer in specific, there likely isn't enough verifiable content to write a full article. czar 19:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now at best as none of the current article suggests convincing notability yet. SwisterTwister talk 22:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think i can dig up more sources and refrences to cover an article about Egyptian video game industry and how it evovled. Aelpop (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
New source from the news i found while digging for the developer http://www.masrdotbokra.com/Story_Details.aspx?StoryID=1013 and a google translation for the page because it's in arabic https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.masrdotbokra.com%2FStory_Details.aspx%3FStoryID%3D1013&edit-text= . and i'm working right now to dig up offline source from the newspapers. Aelpop (talk) 16:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
New (non-English and offline) source it's a screenshot of one of the egyptian newspapers which wrote about the event. i grabbed it from the facebook account of the journalist who wrote the article Nancy Fares https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1059921980699943&set=a.275575142467968.85912.100000464520907&type=3&theater. i will include all the new sources in the article as soon as possible and i will keep digging for more. Aelpop (talk) 17:15, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I assume that the page with "ahmed fawzy" in the byline was posted by the other editor in this thread (and it reads like a press release). I don't have any indication about the quality or content of that newspaper photo. czar 14:07, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

in 2015 "an games studio" participated in global game jam, and helped game developers by forming a team form juniors under lead of senior ahmed fawzy, made a game called "What do we do now? (The end of the world)", here is the link of participation account http://globalgamejam.org/users/engahmedfawzy where an games website is mentioned, and link to the game and team formed here http://globalgamejam.org/2015/games/what-do-we-do-now-end-world global game jam is very popular around the world and reliable source

@Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy: you don't need to put keep on every reply , it's not a vote , this is just a discussion and opinion clarification. and don't forget to sign your posts on this page by adding 4 tilde symbols at the end. about your source nice work but i think news is prefered so focus on news and keep up the good work.feel free to contribute to help improve the article. i recommend you The Wikipedia Adventure to get the basics of editing and writing articles on wikipedia. cheers everybody. Aelpop (talk) 13:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Aelpop: ok removed

More for game development history in egypt , minister Atef_Helmy in global game jam 2015 in egypt discuss with AN Games Studio what we do and future of game development https://www.facebook.com/AN.Games.Studio/photos/pb.399729550132545.-2207520000.1455029479./645688855536612/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/AN.Games.Studio/photos/pb.399729550132545.-2207520000.1455029479./645688825536615/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/AN.Games.Studio/photos/pb.399729550132545.-2207520000.1455029479./645688788869952/?type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/AN.Games.Studio/photos/pb.399729550132545.-2207520000.1455029479./645688772203287/?type=3&theater Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]


those are great photos which prove your strong presence in the game development scene in egypt and can light up the article. may i have your permission to add one of them to the article mr ahmed ? Aelpop (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Aelpop: sure please do in case it can help Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is off-topic but the photo's copyright holder (the photographer) needs to give their permission. There are more instructions at Wikipedia:Consent czar 17:06, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: dear czar photos are owned by our studio we have taken during the event and there is no any copy right on it, I really wonder if photos is off topic & world wide map for game studios is not reliable, and all official refernced introduced here that record important events in history of developing game industry in egyptian community all you just comment with not reliable or off topic, it really doesn't make sense to me the ignore to all these references. Anyway I will try to get to here some arabian admins from wiki community they can confirm some of resources written in arabic like newspaper. Thanks anyway for efforts. Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti Talk 19:19, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Soetermans:hi, here reliable sources
* world wide map of game companies all over the world
http://www.gamedevmap.com/ -> check egypt
* EgyptToday Webite article mention our winner game (third paragraph) which is hosted under our official google play account
- the news link http://egypttoday.com/blog/2013/12/11/apps-that-make-a-difference/
- game on "AN Games Studio" account link https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=AN+Games&hl=en
* Egyptian information technoligy inistitute talk about same game as winning game (under smartphone apps)
http://jets.iti.gov.eg/newsDetailView/4385
* old article from a girl taking about our demo game, even article is arabic, our studio name is very clear in english
http://forums.fatakat.com/thread4663913
beside sources that was mentioned above in previous replies, it is just the company doesn't have many of english resources but it is not like we haven't at all Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - none of the references qualify as reliable sources or demonstrate that the subject is notable.--Rpclod (talk) 22:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep[duplicate !vote] just because none of the regular english western media haven't talk about the company doesn't mean it's not notable , when a country that haven't Witness any kind of 3d video game have been developed on it's land and a company comes to break this state and most of the arabian media,press, and government talk about it. i call this history which should be recorded for humanity and for the future generation of egyptians who would want to know when video games industry started on their country. the english western media won't mention this event simply because it's something happened years ago in their countries so they won't give a damn. most of the english wiki admins blindly won't accept nothing but the western media. that's the reason why most of you wrongly think the references is not reliable. without an arabian admins in this discussion. the egyptian history that should be written will be blindly deleted. Aelpop (talk) 01:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • We're not here to discuss geopolitical issues. And ranting about English western media really won't help your case. Fact of the matter is, is that this game developer is not notable. A forum post by a girl talking about the game? How does that make the developer notable? A link to Google Play is a commercial one, and we all know that are thousands upon thousands of video games to be found there, a fraction of which are notable - and again, doesn't make the developer notable. The only sources that is somewhat reliable is Egypt Today, but that's one source and does not mean the developer has to have an article. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Soetermans: sir, egypttoday is reliable soruce, jest.iti.gov is more reliable source too, most of websites introduced are very popular to all egyptians, im not sure how you just judged egypttoday is , and others not ( what is your criteria ??) is it name of website ?? our locals know this reliable sources very well, and i think Aelpop is not talking about any geopoliticals, he is just focus on importance of recording things as wiki articles do, thanks sir anyway. Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 22:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a non-notable video game developer not meeting WP:NCORP and failing WP:GNG with no reliable independent in-depth sources, such as WP:VG/RS. The sources in the article and given above do not pass GNG. A few are likely be reliable, but they are not nearly in-depth. A lot of sourcing discussion above boils down to whether it is reliable, but neglects that it also needs to be both independent and in-depth. Importance and popularity is not relevant to notability. I see no additional search results and I assume all potentially usable non-English sources have already been presented. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@Hellknowz: totally dis-agree with non-notable, just try this in google search engine " ahmed fawzy game developer egypt " without quotations, with more than two pages of results all is about ahmed fawzy same person game developer in egypt, thanks mate Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 00:47, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those hits are not 1) reliable 2) independent and 3) in-depth. That is what "notable" on Wikipedia means. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 00:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Hellknowz: actually they are from various resources like linkedin, youtube, egyptian gaming communities, it is only my bad luck to not have english wiki interrest from many people to record such important info, please note
(iti / jets lab) is first reliable game dev educational inistitut in egypt.
gamedev map is a 6 years old reliable source
samsung comptetion recorded videos delivering prizes in 2013 / 2014 twice is very reliable.
photos with communication minister
i'm really tired of explain each time about how this sources are reliable and known in our countries, i really advice not delete if not aware about local reputation here. Engineer.Ahmed.Fawzy (talk) 02:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As others has already replied regarding those sources, they are not 1) reliable 2) independent and 3) in-depth. Please actually read what WP:GNG says. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:44, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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