Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A. S. Mnatsakanian

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The result was delete. Jclemens (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A. S. Mnatsakanian

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Hmm... From a quick search, there appears to be little to no references regarding this historian. He may not meet WP:NOTE. The information section uses phrases such as "It is quite possible..." and "exceptional." I would have to guess that this article is taken from a portion of the book listed as a reference. BrianY (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete can find nothing on him both under this spelling and the other possibility (Mnatsakanyan). There are two other academics with similar names -- an engineer and a biologist; nothing for an historian though. If someone can read Armenian and finds sources in that language (or Russian which he might have written in) that might do it. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 19:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —John Z (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Regardless of notability the article is so incoherent that it not worth a place in WP. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

It is a mess but that could be fixed iff the man could be shown to be notable. I cannot see that he can be. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 02:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Most of the article was a copyvio; I removed it, but that leaves essentially nothing. There's a little about him in Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through peace and war, De Waal 2004, p. 153 — he was apparently central to an academic controversy with Ziya Bunyadov involving the historical connection between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, later to become a very important cultural issue in that area. And in Nation-building in the post-Soviet borderlands, Smith and Law 1998, p. 51, he's mentioned as the promoter of a nationalist theory that the rulers of Urartu (9th to 7th centuries BC) were ethnic Armenians. But I can't find enough to base an article on. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- PS If anyone else wants to try searching more: there was apparently an art historian named Asatour Sh. Mnatsakanian (or Mnatsakanyan) who published in the 1950s. The incomprehensible copyvio paragraph I removed was about art history, so likely relates to this person. I'm not convinced that he is the same person as the historian. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- To add to the confusion, there was apparently a historian named A. N. Mnatsakanian who co-authored a history of the Armenian SSR in 1957 with A. M. Hakobian. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had missed these Mnatsakanians -- I think you are correct and our Mnatsakanian is the art historian. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My impression is that the nationalist historian is more notable — at least, I can find published references saying something about what he did rather than merely citing one of his works. But I'm still not convinced there's enough about either of them for an article here. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the nat. historian might warrant a mention in the Nagorny-Karabahk article if nothing more. The engineer and the biologist don't seem notable. ~~I tried to find the online searchable Great Soviet Encyclopedia that used to be hosted out of Russia --- its gone now; I thought if the art Mnatsakanian is notable he'll be in there~~. Not in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia either. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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