Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (GSN)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (GSN)[edit]

This series is not a notable series unto itself (GSN is a minor cable network), and Wikipedia doesn't need a borderline-copyvio copy of every "List of Greatest Foo". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is just going to turn into another mess, like many of the other game show pages. I don't see how the series is notable enough, anyhow. Modor ^(talk)

Weak Keep Wikipedia does keep articles of little known tv shows. if its expanded in the next few weeks, then keep it--Ageo020 05:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, why should this particular list of the 50 greatest games be on Wikipedia? It's really just GSN's POV, and even though GSN caters to the game show audience I'm not sure it should be here. I'd also point out that we also have the similar 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (TV Guide), perhaps that should be nominated as well if this one is deleted. BryanG^(talk) 05:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, I was interpreting this more as a list than a full-fledged series, but my fellow editors have pretty much destroyed that argument. Changing to keep per various below. BryanG^(talk) 05:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This series represents the opinion of the television network that services the niche audience concerned with game shows. It is notable content. If the article does not develop over the course of the series into something deserving of its own article, the proper course of action would be a proposal for merger, either into the TV Guide list of 50 greatest game shows to create a single "greatest game shows" article or into the GSN article. I have edited this article. In fact, I deleted the prerequisite template that got us to this stage. Erechtheus 05:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as long as it is expanded. TJ Spyke 05:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Erechtheus. If consensus is to delete, perhaps we have a comparision between TV Guide's list and this one? Failing that, maybe a list of all game show rating lists? Or, perhaps, if those solutions fail, possibly have a category of those shows listed in either list, and then sort them so that they are organized, if technically possible? Ian Manka Talk to me! 06:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Del per BryanG^(talk) 05:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC).—msh210℠ 07:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep per BryanG^(talk) 05:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC).—msh210℠ 00:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Listcruft. BoojiBoy 13:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. TV series are notable by default, especially if broadcast internationally. GSN is not a minor cable network as it is available not only in the US but in Canada as well and produces its own programming. If this were just a list of a magazine or TV show's opinion, that might be another matter, but this is specifically an article about a TV series. 23skidoo 13:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Scorpiondollprincess 14:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it is not just a one time special. It is twenty something episodes. Tazz765 15:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. As 23skidoo said, this is not just a list, but a full-fledged television series airing in prime time on a nationally available cable network. Therefore, I think it deserves an entry. That said, I do think the article could be expanded to include descriptions of the specific episodes shown. Mikibacsi1124 17:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Erectheus. Lambertman 18:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. I still think it should stay; I'm merely protesting its quality. :) Lambertman 03:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. GSN has always appeared among the top fifty (odd numerical coincidence) U.S. ad-supported cable networks in CableWorld's list of average prime time ratings. A seven-week, 21-hour series on such a network meets reasonable notability standards. Casey Abell 19:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per 23skidoo — Fire Fox 21:40, 21 July '06
Keep.--Andresg770 21:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Erechtheus. Many (if not all) of GSN's original programs have their own pages in Wikipedia to boot -- why not this one? (I'd like to delete some options off the list itself, but that's another story.) Amnewsboy 02:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete TV series are NOT notable by default. This is a listcruft program with little real authority (the list was compiled by a few network executives when dreaming up this show?). I don't see any evidence that this is encyclopedically notable or has any real authority Bwithh 06:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment AfD box was deleted by 68.237.218.93 -- I have reverted to restore the box. Erechtheus 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I wanted the AfD box to be deleted because that list is important to all Game Show fans. Some fans may not remember the list after they watch it. There are shows in the list that didn't air on GSN that people might want to take a look at. Please DO NOT delete this article! - User 68.237.218.93 13:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Strong Delete This is total cruft and borders on copyvio, I also ask that this vote get an extention due to the vandal that removed the notice. --Shaunvader 10:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment thanks to the attention paid the page by not one but two different editors, the notice was gone for 25 minutes in total. I can't speak to extension policy, so it may be that one would automatically lie. If it's some sort of totality of the circumstances test, I'd hope the prompt replacement would weigh heavily in favor of no extension. Erechtheus 01:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment The AfD is running 16-5 keep, so an extension seems pointless. Keeping the AfD around for another day or two means the final would be maybe 19-7 keep. Frankly, it's about time to close this one. Casey Abell 22:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Uh, just did a hand count. It's 18-5 keep now. Why bother with an extension? Casey Abell 22:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I can't imagine how this could be considered to border on copyvio, and more than any other TV episodes' descriptions would. This is original programming from a major network, lasting for many weeks, and is worthy of a page. Qaqaq 15:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – A TV series that airs a list is not cruft in-and-of-itself. I also agree with several people on here that GSN is NOT a minor cable network; while it is certainly not on the level of networks like ESPN or MTV, it most definitely has a niche audience (just like ESPN and MTV, incidentally). Speaking of which, a regular list-type show that airs on MTV or ESPN isn't considered cruft, but a list-type show that airs on GSN is? PS – If there is copyvio issues, send it to another editor for a rewrite; problem solved. [[Briguy52748 14:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)]][reply]
Strong keep this is no less crufty than a show like The Greatest Canadian or Hockeyville and it is a very useful reference which is not found elsewhere (not even on GSN's website) - Jord 02:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What Qaqaq said. This isn't just a list, it's also a television series airing on a cable network that's available to more than half of US households. I even get it up here in Canada. There are articles on TV series here that are a lot more obscure, or air on networks with much less saturation. Kilraven 02:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.