Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/321 North Clark

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The result was keep. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 09:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

321 North Clark[edit]

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Building is tall but only 83rd tallest in Chicago and apparently not of any great note. Its only redeeming factor maybe its notable architects, SOM. I can't find anything in the way of news or book coverage online, so subject seems to fail WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't know the notability guidelines for WP:SKY, but every other building over 500 ft high in Chicago seems to have an article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's clearly an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, isn't it? The fact other non-notable buildings have articles doesn't mean this one should escape scrutiny. If there are 82 other buildings nearby that are taller, the height is not of great note either. Sionk (talk) 07:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I cannot find any significant coverage about this building to indicate it is notable. -- Whpq (talk) 16:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 06:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I haven't found any sources focusing with history about the building but rather mentions about tenants. One of the most useful sources I have found is this, which provides brief details about the history. A small possibility of notability would be that Google News archives provided several results suggesting that Quaker Oats is headquartered there. However, I myself believe this would be insufficient. SwisterTwister talk 02:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As noted above, this building was originally the headquarters of Quaker Oats and I was able to dig up a bit more information searching for the original name "Quaker Tower," e.g. [1] and [2]. The building was named "Development of the Year" and later one of the "most important buildings of the '80s" by the Chicago Sun-Times, which credited it with helping to revitalize the surrounding area. There are also lots of other real-estate section type articles about the various times the building has changed hands. This isn't an outstanding level of coverage, but I think it's enough to meet GNG, and certainly enough to verify the basic history of the building. Camerafiend (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it appears that the name "Quaker Tower" was used from the 1980s to 2001/2002 as shown by Google News results. SwisterTwister talk 02:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the benefit of the article (and people who can't access the online version) it may be helpful to add this/these to the stub. Sionk (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fleshed out the stub a bit and added some sources; hopefully it looks a little better now. Camerafiend (talk) 01:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It initially seemed non-notable, and almost all of the sources that turn up in a search are clearly WP:ROUTINE coverage of transactions, people moving in and out and so forth. These must be ignored for the purposes of this discussion. But I was able to find this Chicago Tribune article, which dwells on the building itself in a significant way. It's also discussed in this book and here, although briefly. Combined with the Tribune naming it one of the most important buildings of the '80s, as cited above, I think this passes WP:GNG. I suspect that there are other reliable sources covering the building, but that they may not exist online because much of the coverage appeared in the 1980s. --Batard0 (talk) 05:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - 321 North Clark was the headquarters for The Quaker Oats Company. The Quaker Tower in Chicago sold for $134 million, or $159/sf, in June 2001 which is when Quaker Oats moved out. By August 2003, its value was $225 million. The article presently has sourcing and add what is noted above and that results in the topic meeting WP:GNG. Being a big building located in crooked Chicago, there's probably a lot of write ups on its contruction and cost overruns, city difficulties, etc. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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