Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2025 San Antonio mayoral election

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 22:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2025 San Antonio mayoral election[edit]

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Per WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTCRYSTAL. There is no announcement of when the election will take place (including the month), and almost the entire article content is based on an article that is an opinion. There is practically no factual content in the article. SanAnMan (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Politics. SanAnMan (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 15:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2025 United States elections#Local elections. Definitely does not warrant an article of it's own (yet), but redirecting is a good WP:ATD here. estar8806 (talk) ★ 15:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - its established practice for San Antonio mayoral elections and elections in general to have the upcoming election an article. We had a similar deletion discussion in 2019 that resulted in keep. Also I don't think it's fair to characterize this election as not scheduled. RS is reporting this election will happen in May 2025. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 19:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion discussion seems to be following the pattern of the author deleting things from San Antonio pages out of whole cloth, which indicates that author likely has a personal agenda. In this case, per state law of Texas, there are only TWO uniform election dates per year in a municipality. In a home rule city, such is the case of San Antonio, the municipal election date for city council and mayor is set by City Charter and cannot be changed without state legislative authorization AND a charter change vote of the public. The city of San Antonio municipal election date for mayor and city council set by the City Charter passed in 1952 is the FIRST SATURDAY OF MAY IN ODD NUMBER YEARS. The next general election date for mayor is, therefore, May 4, 2025. Just because it's nightfall doesn't mean that you can't declare that morning is coming. USER 17:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.27.196 (talk)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep [moving to neutral] - First off, I am really confused by the sudden spate of AfDs for future elections. Policy is clear and unambiguous: Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place (emphasis added), and elections have often been used as a exemplars. As for the particular article, the sourcing is weak and lacks WP:GEOSCOPE and WP:DEPTH. I slid over to the Keep side simply because policy assumes notability if it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. I cannot see a situation where this election wouldn't merit an article afterwards. That said, it wouldn't take much to sway me towards Estar8806's viewpoint on a merge. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 14:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a great point as well. However, the one thing that pushed me towards !voting to redirect is the line (in WP:FUTUREEVENT) "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented.". There just doesn't appear to be "well documented" speculation here, yet. estar8806 (talk) ★ 15:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is speculation in reliable sourcing and statements by potential/declared candidates. Seems like enough to be "well documented" to me. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 19:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
estar8806 pretty much echos my main argument here. There's no doubt that the election will happen, it's the fact that right now there's not enough WP:SIGCOV to warrant a stand-alone article. The article currently only has two citations (both from the same author) one of which is nothing but a collection of conjecture about who might and might not run. - SanAnMan (talk) 17:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My already-weak Keep has eroded away, but am still not convinced by the Delete !votes. Is it honestly worth going through this when we know that we will need an article in a few months? I am 100% convinced that it was WP:TOOSOON to create the article, but now it seems we are WP:RUSHing to delete it to no real point or purpose. It feels... officious in the negative sense. Does deleting it now and recreating later really improve the encyclopaedia? If so, I am not seeing it. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I was randomly looking through dates on other city mayoral races. The earlier the better seems to be the going trend. Used to be that such articles were sometimes done after the election was over. But that's changed. See 2025 New York City mayoral election, or 2022 Los Angeles mayoral election (created 2020) in for instance. I'm thinking it's easier to be accurate and up-to-date if done as one thing or another happens. Not necessarily as accurate if it's all put together in the closing weeks or months of an election. — Maile (talk) 23:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep largely because of WP:NOTBURO. This election is going to happen and it's the next one. I do not see how it is a good use of anyone's time trying to delete the article when it will just need to be recreated within a year or so. I don't think SIGCOV is a good argument for deletion, as this will clearly be a notable election when it happens. Number 5 7 12:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Number 57 + satisfies WP:CRYSTAL (a notable and certain future event), one minute of searching shows multiple reliable sources discussing the election: Manny Pelaez already hinting at 2025 mayoral run, San Antonio mayoral contenders emerge ahead of 2025 race, Greg Brockhouse wants back in the political arena, passes the GNG. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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