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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States. Most arguments for keep are something along the lines of "I think this is interesting/important" or "This could be something important." These were heavily discounted. Some arguments to delete are similarly poor and amount to speculation that this is not a serious proposal on Trump's part (these were also heavily discounted). Looking at the remaining comments, there is a policy-based consensus to delete or merge the article. Given that there could be some useful information, I leave it to involved editors to merge appropriate content (if any). Of course, in the future this article may be recreated if there is sustained coverage that merits a standalone article. Malinaccier (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024–2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States

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Per Wikipedia:Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article, this is a WP:TOOSOON article about a thing Donald Trump said that has not yet risen to the level of needing its own standalone article. We already have the broad historical overview Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States, where this can be (and in fact already is) briefly addressed, but it's not at all clear that a few bloviating comments during the post-election transition period, when the president-elect hasn't even been (re)inaugurated yet, would already need their own spinoff article as their own topic independently of the overview.
Certainly if 45/47 actually launches a war on Canada during his term, then we'd obviously start a new article about that war when that happens -- but as long as it's just words, many of which are just rephrasing content that's already in the overview article as it is, it's not permanently notable just because Donald Trump said words.
Further, there was a significant bypass of process here: a user created Draft:2024-2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States, which got rejected at WP:AFC on the grounds of lacking sufficient context to justify the need for a standalone article, but then a different user created a one-line stub which looked like this, following which the first user copy-pasted the content from their draft into it with very little effort to actually address the reasons why the draft was rejected in the first place.
This just has not yet risen to the level of needing its own standalone article as a separate topic from all the other past discourse around this concept. Bearcat (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, having worked on the 51st state article before this remarks, I think that splitting it off from the already large 51st state article and the traditional annexation article makes a lot of sense. The reason is its not clear Trump is being serious, rather as Trudeau said he seems to be distracting from other issues. Certainly, neither rino or maga has ever heard of the Canadian unification as part of his campaign rhetoric, and its hard to believe any conservative would want this as it would swing the balance of power in the USA back to the democratic party permanently. So I don't see it as part of the traditional unification movement, which every time it has happened it comes from the people in that region (for example Hawaii and Marianas had 90%+ votes in favor basically). Actually, what is very likely Trump is trying to distract from a place that is actually due to become a State, Puerto Rico, which has ten years of referendums in favor but again votes democratic so it would push the narrow balance of power in the USA back to blue. That is where I find the Canadian response remarkable, truly the USA has the best friend to the north to handle such a bizarre discourse in such a respectful way. Montekarloh (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment As an editor of the 51st state article before this happened, I think that the split happened to soon and can see how the overall political discussion has entered the comments. I hope in time, this public discourse can be improved into genuine content about unification. I think time will tell if this was just political posturing or result in something more meaningful. I don't think all discussion about unification should now be derailed just because of these few comments by a political figures this last month. Its very likely someday that Canada and the USA will grow closer, take a look at how once bitter enemies such as Germany and France helped form the EU. What is more likely then becoming a state, is a Free Compact of Association, that would preserve Canadian sovereignty and sports teams, etc, but could remove all trade barriers, Canadians could serve in each other's military, and could work and live in the United States or vice versus as they saw fit. Montekarloh (talk) 12:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article has been moved to US–Canada relations during Trump's second presidency. Kaotao (talk) 11:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Based on what? There is an open AfD! gidonb (talk) 22:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: not only is this topic one that has major ramifications for both the US and Canada, but this is a very unique topic that can’t be adequately addressed without an article. Many of the arguments from the delete-side are along the lines of “Trump isn’t serious on this issue,” but until he stops with the threats or until he and the Canadian government reach a conclusive agreement, we can’t say that for sure. LordOfWalruses (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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