Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Venice bus crash

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure) ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Venice bus crash

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WP:NOTNEWS, bus crashes are quite common so I'm not sure if this counts as notable. There is worldwide media attention, but I'm not sure how notable this is for a Wikipedia article. There is quite little to talk about -- it's a bus crash. —Panamitsu (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. —Panamitsu (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - An event with 21 deaths should be more than enough for a wikipedia article Lukt64 (talk) 21:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, typically such bus crashes are not deemed important enough to go on the Front Page's WP:In The News, but I think they generally survive AfD. Abductive (reasoning) 21:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This event is unlikely to become notable or ever be anything more than a news story. But as a general rule, we're supposed to wait a few days per WP:RAPID just to be sure. So let's give it a few days. In the meantime, there are dozens of other articles about bus crashes that need to be sorted through to determine which ones had lasting effects and which ones are just news stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw per comments about WP:RAPID, and with the death count of 21 it has a chance on being notable. —Panamitsu (talk) 21:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Panamitsu, note that there's no death count provision in our notability guidelines. It's not a factor that editors familiar with the guidelines take into consideration. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, but due to the death count it may receive a lot of media coverage in the near future and have a chance on becoming notable. I personally don't believe it will become notable, but I withdraw on the basis on WP:RAPID. —Panamitsu (talk) 21:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is one of the deadliest road accidents in Italy's history. Obviously the article needs more work but it only happened a few hours ago. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.