Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Milan airplane crash

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The result was Keep. Widespread coverage, includes a notable victim. No such user (talk) 08:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Milan airplane crash

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Wikipedia is not a newspaper. General aviation crashes are very common, including ones crashing into buildings[1], and are rarely notable unless someone famous is on board. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Well although he doesn't have an article here yet, the pilot was is described in this BBC report as being a billionaire property tycoon, and "one of Romania's richest man" [sic]. This suggests that he might be notable enough to deserve an article if someone is prepared to dig for sources (and distinguish mentions of him from the footballer with the similar name).Nigel Ish (talk) 22:05, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More about Petrescu here - in Romanian.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Plane crashes like this happen commonly. Fails WP:NOTABILITY. Pyramids09 (talk) 22:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep ample news coverage; one of the victims was the richest man in Romania.Itemirus (talk) 08:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Itemirus: Is it this Dan Petrescu that was a victim? Mjroots (talk) 13:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, the BBC reports that the man of that name who was killed was 68, whereas that WP article is about a 53-y-o. Jim Michael (talk) 14:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep incident covered by media of several countries, notable victim (Romanian businessman Dan Petrescu). Super Ψ Dro 12:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are reporting this even in Malta [2] and Vietnam [3]. See also some notable newspapers such as The Washington Post [4], Al Jazeera [5], Balkan Insight [6], Daily Mail [7], Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (not a local branch) [8], plus many of the most important newspaper in Romania. I am not sure of the situation in Italy, I don't know the most important newspapers there. Super Ψ Dro 13:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sitting on the fence How widely this was reported is irrelevant. See WP:NOTNEWS. Aircraft crashes, even minor ones, get wide coverage. Its a nine-minute wonder. Whether this article lives or dies is really down to the notability of one of the victims. I would inclined to think that the article should be merged to the plutocrat's biog, if it existed.TheLongTone (talk) 14:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - If Dan Petrescu was a Wikinotable person with a stand-alone article, this would be a keep. From comments above, it is possible that he is a Wikinotable person, but doesn't have an article. Therefore this weak delete !vote is without prejudice to recreation should DP get an article. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - with the creation of Dan Petrescu (businessman), the accident has resulted in the death of a Wikinotable person, so qualifies for a stand-alone article. Mjroots (talk) 13:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Given the prominence of one of the victims there will be sustained coverage of this event; it would not be appropriate to delete it under WP:NOTNEWS. Further, while Dan Petrescu doesn't currently have an article, he is certainly notable enough for one; Vanity Fair: article on who he was, 24ur: article on the crash with significant coverage of who he was, Ziarul Financiar: article on the crash with significant coverage of who he was.

I'm sure someone who speaks Romanian will be able to find more, despite him apparently being a recluse who avoided publicity. BilledMammal (talk) 03:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Comment I have to say to keep this because the news coverage did extend to multiple countries. If it had only been one country reporting it, then I would have been on the delete !vote side due to the AFD for the Onesti attack which said high coverage in one country does not grant notability.

The ending of this Afd will set a precedent for Wikipedia, especially with airplane crashes, so if we don’t have a CLEAR majority consensus, I would highly recommend keeping this discussion over a while. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Incidents of aircraft crashing into buildings and killing eight people are extremely rare. Clearly a notable incident. There isn't a cat's chance in hell that an article on an incident like this in the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, etc, would be deleted. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Airplane crashes into a building, in which the plane carries only a few people, are very rare. Even international news reports have covered this event like it were a breaking news. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 09:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment today I started writing a page for Dan Petrescu, it might be published in the weekend (maybe tomorrow). He is 100% notable, that's for sure, although he hid from media and never gave an interview, which makes it reasonable to think otherwise at first glance. Super Ψ Dro 20:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I published his page, see Dan Petrescu (businessman). I am pinging everyone who commented on his notability or on the possibility of him having a page, in the case it changes or confirms their vote: Nigel Ish, TheLongTone, Mjroots, BilledMammal, NemesisAT. I'm also pinging the only other person who voted oppose, Pyramids09. Super Ψ Dro 13:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now due to the likelyhood of at least one of the victims being notable. NemesisAT (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to notable person on board. Cutlass ^Ciera 23:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.