Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Drake Bulldogs men's soccer team

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The result was delete four, no consensus for 2021 Marshall Thundering Herd men's soccer team. ✗plicit 00:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Drake Bulldogs men's soccer team

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Fails collegiate sport season notability guideline at WP:NSEASONS. No evidence of season's notability, which is currently ongoing, and in my opinion borders on both WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOSTATS. Existing consensus for delete here and here. GauchoDude (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same criteria as above:

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Delete all per nom, no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 13:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I cannot speak for the other seasons, but I do think that Marshall's season has notability. Marshall was the consensus preseason No. 1 team in the country for the first time ever. I think that gives it some notability, but then again, I may be biased. Eknight2012 (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect all same rationale as the recent Ohio State and Penn State AFDs and per nom. RE: the Marshall season, I don't think WP:GNG has been established for this particular season, even if they came in as defending champions. I personally prefer deletion but redirects are fine as well. Jay eyem (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Marshall Redirect Others. Other articles fall in same consensus as Ohio State and Penn State. Marshall being the media preseason consensus #1 by definition meets bullet 4 of college season WP:NSEASONS, "regardless of outcome". Maclid (talk) 22:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I kind of fail to see how one national championship qualifies Marshall as "elite" in NCAA men's soccer. Something like Indiana would be much closer, and I don't think even they would qualify under that criteria. NSEASONS also talks about weighing both the sport and the season itself, so I think it would be very difficult for ANY NCAA DI school to qualify under that for men's soccer. Jay eyem (talk) 04:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Going to be a hard no for me there as well. The common denominator for bullet point 4, in my opinion, is sustained greatness over a long period of time to boost those programs into that "elite" territory. This example does not that meet that. I think there are mayyyybe a few programs that could meet that for collegiate men's soccer and Marshall is not one of them. GauchoDude (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all but Marshall, Keep Marshall – The other four seasons clearly fail GNG and NSEASONS as per the previous discussions and nom here. I think Marshall has a case on GNG (see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], or the number of articles here, or even the attention given to their losses). At the least, I'd like to see the Marshall season split off from this discussion so it could be argued on its own merits, because I think it has much more of a GNG argument than any of the other articles. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that Marshall has some merits while the others appear not to so should not go down with the rest of them. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would also rather see a separate discussion for Marshall's season than to see this thread get resisted for another week, since I think there is consensus on the other seasons. Jay eyem (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If these are deleted. so too must be the 2021 season articles for all 208 NCAA Division I Men;s Soccer Teams... If all are not deleted, these SHOULD BE KEPT... GWFrog (talk)
- Comment: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, but I'd also be in favor of this. First off, there are only (at least as I can find in the category) 41 total encompassed currently. Of those 41, the overwhelming majority of them are redirects. All others are included here, to my knowledge, with the exception of ACC conference teams which, as bigger schools with potentially more coverage, would be better served in a separate conversation. GauchoDude (talk) 14:07, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I too would support the proposal to delete all other seasons until WP:GNG can be established or until there is sufficient basis under WP:NSEASONS. At this point I don't believe there is any real basis for any of these articles from what I have seen. I also personally see no reason the ACC would be an exception, as I have not seen significant coverage in said articles. All of these articles scream WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL to me, and I would support the deletion (or redirect) of all the ACC articles at this point in time as well. Jay eyem (talk) 14:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all but Marshall per Keskkonnakaitse.4meter4 (talk) 21:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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