Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 11:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes

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Doesn't meet WP:EVENT criteria, exclusively based on Azerbaijani sources and official's statements, with no WP:RS. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I'm not sure how you came to the idea that it's "exclusively based on Azerbaijani sources" when half of the sources are third-party WP:RS or Armenian sources. The event has been covered by several third-party, reliable sources such Eurasianet ([1]), OC Media ([2]) and bne IntelliNews ([3]). Event is clearly significant and notable for the region (as proven by previous sources), and the 2 involved countries (as can be seen from the large number of Armenian and Azerbaijani sources writing about this). — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:28, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article is based primary on Azerbaijani Defense Ministery's statements with 10 unreliable sources from Azerbaijani media. There are lots of Armenian sources unrelated to the clashes/operation. This, possibly, was added per editors' WP:OR. The sources from Eurasianet, Intellinews rely on Azerbaijani official statements. This event has to be confirmed by reliable independent sources, also there is notability issues. Otherwise this is WP:NOTNEWS and fails WP:EVENT. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:56, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose WP:JDLI. Biggest clashes in the Armenian–Azerbaijani border since 2016, the biggest clashes in the Armenian–Nakchivan border since '94. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even CivilNet says it was larger than what NKR lost in 2016, and confirms the death of an Armenian serviceman in the border with Nakhchivan. Also, an Armenian official confirms it. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per which reliable source this is Biggest clashes in the Armenian–Azerbaijani border since 2016, and who says this were clashes? This is what I was talking about: WP:OR. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 16:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CivilNet. Provide sources to say otherwise. Which other "interclashes" conflict attracted the attention of Eurasianet, OC Media, or Jerusalem Post? --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CivilNet is not a neutral source. This is what Eurasianet says, based also on Azerbaijani officials' statements:

"The advance seems to have taken place without any fighting, and the Azerbaijani forces remain on their side of the internationally recognized border. But they have reportedly taken up new positions in a previously unoccupied neutral zone in Azerbaijan's exclave of Nakhchivan near the Armenian village of Areni."

The article also mentions the number of killed military personnel, I am wondering, per which source? The whole article is either Azerbaijani statements or WP:OR. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CivilNet is a major Armenian source. Maybe not neutral when it comes to the Karabakh conflict, but biased in favour Armenia, and won't do Azerbaijan's propaganda. For the record, this version of the article mentions the fact that the casualties are not confirmed by third-parties and are solely based on the parties' statements. If this is the problem, such thing can be reverted. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think rewriting the article may help. It doesn't meet WP:EVENT. Armenian sources reported death of a soldier, there is no information that it was related to this "clashes". Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article is titled "clashes" but no clashes are described. (Azerbaijani positions in the Sharur District of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic became exposed to artillery fire of the Armenian Armed Forces. - not a "clash") Azerbaijani incursion into no-man's-land where a village was taken, and a sporadic border incident don't look like they form a coherent event. I think this is WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. I'm thoroughly unconvinced that anything that could be described as a "clash" took place in connection to the (attempted) subject of this article. — Alalch Emis (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alalch Emis, this not being clash is reported by the Armenian side. The Azerbaijani side clearly states that there were clashes, even one Azerbaijani dead. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 16:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 08:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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