Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Copa Libertadores

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Courcelles 01:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2013 Copa Libertadores

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WP:CRYSTAL. Lack of sources for 2013 edition. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 20:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep For the countries whose season started mid-2011, their qualification methods for the 2013 Copa Libertadores have already been decided. For example, Argentina: [1] (page 2); Bolivia: [2] (page 5-6). I tried to find the regulations for Uruguay and Venezuela, but their FA websites only have the versions for 2010-11, but it is reasonable to assume that their qualification methods remain unchanged for 2011-12. The first team to qualify for the 2013 Copa Libertadores would be the Venezuela Apertura winners, who will be decided by December 2011, so even if we delete this article now, it would be created validly again in a few months time. So I think a bit of cleanup and adding sources would suffice. Chanheigeorge (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as long as there are no reliable sources. Alex^{discussion ★} 15:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - article needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 18:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - entire contents are speculative (so per nom.), it contains several redlinks that are at least 12 months from being started. The lack of sourcing may just indicate that there are no sources because of the contents speculative nature. Once the speculation is removed there is little information that can not and is not easily carried by the parent Copa Libertadores article. Wikipedia should not be used as a holding pattern if adequate sourcing may not able to begin for months. --Falcadore (talk) 08:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The redlinks are leagues whose seasons are in the calendar year 2012, so they will all start within the next 12 months, some of them as early as January 2012. And the first team to qualify for the 2013 Copa Libertadores is the Venezuela Apertura winners, which will be decided by December 2011, so even if we delete this article now, it would be created validly again in a few months time. For the four countries whose seasons have started, I have added sources to their regulations if available. Chanheigeorge (talk) 15:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. If recreated should mention what sport is being played. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This competition is two editions away and the teams that will play in it are close to being decided for some countries. For comparison there is an article on the 2022 World Cup, three editions away. This article needs to be improved not deleted.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.