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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 23:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2013–14 United States network television schedule[edit]

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Per WP:TOOSOON, Let's wait until the networks officially release their schedules. JayJayWhat did I do? 21:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Oppose – New season information keeps on coming. 24.164.159.145 (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but new information will keep on trickling in until May. All the page will be used for is a rumor post were people will predict what get's renewed and what gets cancelled. It is also largely incomplete. JayJayWhat did I do? 01:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The more information, the more space filled up for the article, so I oppose. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 21:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm sorry, but the goal of these articles isn't to have 'more space filled up', but a well-researched and defined listing of programming that hasn't even hit the network's schedule boards yet. It's all in the 2012-13 article at this point. It's duplicative. It's unneeded. Nate • (chatter) 03:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As usual, way too soon, pilots aren't even done casting or getting their writers and nobody's decided anything; we go through this every single year. As was done last year, lock it down until May 1st from recreation, when there will definitely be sourced information to fill this out. Right now it's all 'show is maybe casting for a maybe pilot'. Nate • (chatter) 05:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Some shows's fates have been announced already, and this is providing a constantly updated schedule as we learn about what's happening with more shows. If people are looking for if their favorite shows have been cancelled or renewed already, they can come to this page. As well, this is not speculation, as there are references on all, if not, 99% of these shows, and I'm sure I as well as other contributors can ensure that it will stay that way. XFix329 (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If they really wanna know if their favorite show has been cancelled or renewed they can look at the current TV schedule, or they can easily Google it. JayJayWhat did I do? 17:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All the information needs to be somewhere on Wikipedia, so this is perfect time to have this article created 68.44.51.49 (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All the information is on the current schedule. JayJayWhat did I do? 22:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
True, however we don't know if those shows will be staying necessarily, so it's confusing to refer them to that schedule if they're looking for what's coming up this fall. And yes they could google it, and what's going to come up? Wikipedia. So we may as well keep this page. It's easier to look on Wikipedia than to have to go to all the network sites to check on their shows. Fix329 (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment How is it confusing? Right now it's all duplicative information, and because as of this point few pilots have been filmed or scripted, we don't know anything about the new programming, which the network sites don't have because they're rightfully focused on February sweeps rather than September at this point, so by their very nature (and our common policy of never allowing articles for pilots which haven't been picked up to series unless they have sourced notoriety like Heat Vision and Jack and Wonder Woman 2011), they can't be talked about here because nothing has been confirmed or scheduled. People inquiring about pilots have many industry sites to consult about them. They're not going to find out much right now about the next season here, just a rehash of the 2012-13 article. Nate • (chatter) 03:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, of course we don't know a lot but that doesn't mean that we should delete this page. That's like saying a page on the Newtown shooting shouldn't be created till we know everything. We do have some confirmed information, so I fail to understand why we can't just keep those up. Fix329 (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's a terrible example. Newtown was a breaking news story and tragedy. This is a eight month process which won't even see anything released about it until mid-May. Both of them are under way too different criteria. Nate • (chatter) 03:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that at this point it's a little redundant of the current schedule and was created a little too early (though not nearly as early as last time) but I don't see why it should be deleted if it's going to be wanted in less than 3 months. Until then we can make sure it doesn't become a crystal ball. CSB radio (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a bit early, but there's already some verifiable information on pickups (MJF and Dads) so it isn't totally redundant, and I don't see much point in deleting just to recreate it in 3 months time. I think deleting it would be for deletion's sake rather than solving an actual problem. -Halo (talk) 12:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Undecided: If we wanted to start an article about the United States network television schedule for the next season, then shouldn't we have waited until the month of May (likely the 1st of the month) to start the article, since during that month, most US broadcast networks' television shows' renewal/cancellation fates are decided, and after that, the broadcast networks' upfront presentations for the next season take place during the third week of the month? Jim856796 (talk) 06:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 13:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The network schedule page is something that I have found useful since first discovering it a couple of years ago (speaking as a reader, not as an editor). The television season that this article covers starts in six months or so ... I don't see any reason that this is too far in advance for there to be meaningful coverage of it ... and in other areas of life (e.g. sporting events), we have articles well over six months in advance. I don't think we need to have a 2014-15 article yet, but a 2013-14 article seems reasonable. It looks like there are already two new shows on the schedule and that, to me, seems like a good justification for the article's existence. If it didn't have anything but a "trivial" list of shows that only included ones that have been renewed for a long time (like Sunday Night football or something), okay, fine, delete it, but it looks like there is actually some meaningful content there. --B (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Side note for comparison - I went back and looked to see when the previous years' articles were created. The concept was introduced in the 2007. 2008–09 United States network television schedule was created in February 2008. 2009-10 was created in February 2009. 2010-11 was created in December 2009. 2011-12 was created in November 2010. 2012-13 was delayed until May because it was SALTed back in December 2011. But I looked at the December 2011 article that was deleted and it had absolutely nothing there ... just a few shows that had been known to be renewed or cancelled for a long time. This article, on the other hand, has citations and several cited new shows. --B (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - It's not long until the shows start, and there's already information trickling in. I agree with the other user, it's silly to delete at this point. And the suggestion to use the TV guide is specious, almost none of the guide sites go further than 2 weeks, and finding info on them is horrible, which is why I use Wikipedia.Sfcat (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC) Cat[reply]
  • Keep - Have use。--Qa003qa003 (talk) 14:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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