Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Hong Kong Anti-mainlander conflicts
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Nomination withdrawn. Sandstein 08:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- 2012 Hong Kong Anti-mainlander conflicts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
There is no special mention of a "2012 Hong Kong anti-mainlander conflicts" as a separate, notable event in the sources; could be original research. (However, the part on protesting Kong Qingdong's remarks is a notable and ongoing event, and it should be merged into Kong Qingdong.) ZZArch talk to me 01:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I renamed the article to a more neutral title (may be not the best). There are article in wikipedia with descriptive titles. The conflicts are notable and well-known. Instead of deleting, please search for a better title. Lom Konkreta (talk) 01:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Protests against mainland Chinese have existed for a long time in Hong Kong, and they have been particularly escalated since at least 2007. I don't see any secondary research that support singling out the protests that occurred in 2012; hence, I do not agree with keeping it as such. In fact, if we are to keep it, then we are obligated to also create "2007 Hong Kong anti-mainland protests", "2008 Hong Kong anti-mainland protests", etc. As I read it, the article documents 3 main events:
- The suppression of academic freedom of Hong Kong professors;
- The anger directed towards pregnant mainland migrants who go to Hong Kong to gain citizenship for their children;
- Protests against Kong Qingdong's remarks.
- As I see it, the only event among these that is notable enough to be called a separate event is the last one, and it probably belongs to the article Kong Qingdong. (Disclaimer: I am the main contributor to the Kong Qingdong article.) ZZArch talk to me 02:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- As I see it, you again show the problem only with the title. You say the conflict has long history. Do we have a wikipedia article to document it? If not, expand this one. If yes, merge this one into main one. Also, as I see from the text, the "Mothers" event was notable enough as well, since it involves actions of HK govt. As for professors' cases, a closer look is required to see whether this is original research (collecting facts and connecting the dots). Lom Konkreta (talk) 02:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The previous notable events are Hong Kong 1 July marches and December 2005 protest for democracy in Hong Kong; these are all well-covered in the media and given treatment as standalone events. The 2012 protests, minus the one on Kong Qingdong, in my view falls within the scope of the general HK-mainland relations. Perhaps an article on Hong Kong-mainland China relations would be where they belong? ZZArch talk to me 02:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose, we agree that a major hurdle here is lack of a good "parent" article on the subject. Such and article has to provide a foundation and a framework for all present and future detailed article, so that we have no poor, artificial titles. Your suggestion, Hong Kong-mainland China relations is good. It must cover both efforts for (and opposition against) integration, as well as conflicts controversies. I would also suggest to further narrow down the topic, so that the article covers only the issues of unification. Hong Cong-PRC relations (before unification) would be in category "Foreign relations". Lom Konkreta (talk) 03:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The previous notable events are Hong Kong 1 July marches and December 2005 protest for democracy in Hong Kong; these are all well-covered in the media and given treatment as standalone events. The 2012 protests, minus the one on Kong Qingdong, in my view falls within the scope of the general HK-mainland relations. Perhaps an article on Hong Kong-mainland China relations would be where they belong? ZZArch talk to me 02:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- As I see it, you again show the problem only with the title. You say the conflict has long history. Do we have a wikipedia article to document it? If not, expand this one. If yes, merge this one into main one. Also, as I see from the text, the "Mothers" event was notable enough as well, since it involves actions of HK govt. As for professors' cases, a closer look is required to see whether this is original research (collecting facts and connecting the dots). Lom Konkreta (talk) 02:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Actually, after reading more on the incident that occurred after Kong's remarks, I am convinced that the anti-Kong protests may warrant its own article. I have refactored the page and written it from primarily this angle, and I believe that the current version has no such issues. If there is no dissent, I will go ahead and withdraw this nomination. ZZArch talk to me 10:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.