Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Cleveland State Vikings baseball team

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The result was delete Cleveland State and Bowling Green, keep Kent State. Jujutacular (talk) 13:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Cleveland State Vikings baseball team[edit]

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College baseball seasons (certainly non-championship seasons) aren't notable. All coverage is WP:ROUTINE in nature. Minor league baseball season pages have been deleted similarly. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The Cleveland State page marks their last season of college baseball, Bowling Green won their Conference in 2009, and the 2012 Kent State team won their conference and advanced to the College World Series - a small program from the north, both of which are exceedingly rare. Kent State in particular received a lot of in-depth coverage nationally in 2012, and certainly justifies having a page. I disagree that college baseball seasons are not notable, as the coverage around college baseball continues to expand with multiple outlets covering the sport on a national and reginal level year-round. Note that, for the most part, the season pages which have been created to date are for teams that won conference or national championships, advanced to the Super Regional or College World Series, were highly ranked for most of the season, or had another rare event such as first or last year of competition. Most of the others received regular coverage beyond just reporting game summaries, on at least a regional level. I agree that prose needs to be added to improve the pages beyond stub and start class, but I oppose deletion of all three pages, most strongly for the 2012 Kent State page. Billcasey905 (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete for Cleveland State and Bowling Green. I'm ok having articles on championship seasons for college, but something like those two is pointless to have. Weak Keep on Kent State because it was a College World Series team, so should be notable enough. Wizardman 14:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose I agree completely with Billcasey905. These articles are well sourced and contain large amounts of content. As Bill notes, college baseball is becoming increasingly more popular and is certainly more notable than a lower-level minor league team. We have incomplete pages for the lowest-tier Division I men's basketball seasons, so I strongly believe that college baseball seasons are certainly notable. I fail to see how coverage is for a power conference team in baseball is less routine than coverage for a SWAC team in basketball. Mpejkrm (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFF. I'm not here to debate college basketball pages. College basketball gets far more attention than college baseball. Please provide evidence that "college baseball is becoming increasingly more popular" with sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - The sport's popularity doesn't change the coverage. If we can't have college baseball pages because the coverage is just "routine", then we would need to delete half our college basketball pages, right? And if you want more evidence that CBB is becoming more popular, look at the TV deals ESPN is signing. Fox Sports 1 will be showing college baseball as well. ESPN gave the CWS a lot of coverage this year and played the CWS finals on ESPN. They didn't do that in previous years. There'a s reason for that. Mpejkrm (talk) 17:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - College baseball rarely gets covered outside of the CWS though.. I know i can never watch UCLA play baseball on TV until they get to the Super Regionals and they have been one of the best teams in the country lately... let alone little schools like Cleveland State. Spanneraol (talk) 21:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - That isn't true. Go read Baseball America. Go read College Baseball Daily. There are a lot of magazines and websites which provide regular college baseball coverage. You can also find most games online. I still am failing to see how these are being deleted, yet little schools in the SWAC and MEAC in basketball, which are of far worse quality, are not even being discussed for deletion, despite them getting NO coverage at all. Mpejkrm (talk) 22:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Coverage of game results and stats in specialized trade magazines isnt exactly the same as having the widespread coverage needed for GNG.. And you can certainly not find most games online. I don't know if there are season articles for SWAC basketball teams but if there are I'd favor their deletion as well. Spanneraol (talk) 23:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Bowling Green & Cleveland State, Keep Kent State per Wizardman. Spanneraol (talk) 21:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.