Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009–10 AFC Wimbledon season

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The result was delete. Only one claim to GNG and its very vague. There's clearly some coverage of the club over this time, but not convinced there is enough non routine coverage to justify individual season articles for a club at this level. Fenix down (talk) 20:18, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2009–10 AFC Wimbledon season[edit]

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Fails WP:NSEASONS as playing in a league below the professional level. All articles (including the early ones) contain nothing more than routine match reports, squad lists and league tables so all clearly fail WP:GNG and fall foul of WP:NOTSTATS.

I am also nominating the following related pages:

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Delete all per nom, fails NSEASONS/GNG. Giant Snowman 17:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the fact that they are currently poorly written does not indicate a GNG fail. I would expect there to be decent coverage of these given the circumstances of the clubs formation but I haven't really had a look for anything yet. I'm abstaining for the time being as I expect User:Nfitz will have a good look for some sources. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is plenty of relevant info but it's all in the main article under 'history' anyway. There is simply no need for league tables and match results for a league that's several tiers below professional level as Wikipedia is not a stats directory. Spiderone 09:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: - I'd still like to see if anyone else can find any decent coverage here, but if it doesn't exist, merging all the season articles from 2002-03 to 2010-11 might be sensible, or splitting the club's history section into a seperate article or something because there is most likely a fair amount of coverage on all of these. They do currently fall foul of NOTSTATS, but if well sourced prose can be added, there's no reason to delete these. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 10:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to a history article being created if too big for the main AFC Wimbledon article Spiderone 10:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to spend more time User:Microwave Anarchist, researching these - but I simply don't have the time. I spent a lot of effort finding lots of good references on that one very famous Newport season, and that wasn't good enough for the deletionists who care more about making black-and-white rules than applying judgment, then so be it - I note the 2010-11 season which is in the same tier, but they got promotion was left out. Though, hang on ... User:Spiderone, this certainly isn't "several tiers below professional". This tier is professional, and only a single tier below "fully-professional". These days many teams in this tier ARE fully-professional - as was Wimbledon some seasons if I recall. Nfitz (talk) 15:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nfitz: you are a very busy editor :). I always appreciate the effort you go to to look for references and frankly I shouldn't be so lazy and look myself. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm less active now that we are partially out of lock-down, and I've been partially un-laid-off ... though with any luck, I'll have more time if there's a second wave, and I get fired ... Nfitz (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, my "several tiers..." comment was relating to their initial formation so back in 02/03 Spiderone 18:38, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per WP:NSEASONS failure. Number 5 7 10:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Finally had a chance to look at some sources. And there's lot's of mainstream coverage, despite not being quite the top tier. Wasn't Wimbledon fully-professional during some of these seasons, even if the league wasn't? Might explain why there's so much coverage with over 3,261 Proquest results for "AFC Wimbledon" in the 9-year period from 2002 to 2010. Some examples - Sunday Times - "AFC Wimbledon in record debut, August 2002"; Sunday Times "AFC Wimbledon make Fa Cup history", October 2002; Sunday Times "AFC Wimbledon celebrated the reduction in their 18-point penalty for fielding an ineligible player", April, 2007; Daily Telegraph "...but AFC Wimbledon suffer play-off blow", March 2008; Evening Standard "AFC Wimbledon 'win' FA Cup back from Dons"; The Times "AFC Wimbledon may be home owners", March 2003; ... just from page 1 of over 150. Looks like a BEFORE fail. Nfitz (talk) 22:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of the important bits are summarised in the main AFC Wimbledon article. I see no point in having league tables, squad lists etc. as Wikipedia is not a stats directory. Also, we need to remember that some of these articles involve leagues way below even the Conference South! If the info is too much for the main article, then I would be okay with creation of an article for History of AFC Wimbledon. Spiderone 23:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you write such an article User:Spiderone, then by all means merge and redirect to it. But it doesn't exist, and it seems very short-sited to delete before merging. Nfitz (talk) 03:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For now, the main AFC Wimbledon article is just fine and covers their history very well. For these season articles on this AfD I see no reason why we can't just delete them as there is absolutely nothing of any value worth keeping in any of them. At the very least, they should be redirected to the main AFC Wimbledon article but that's only if there is a basis for them being plausible search terms, which I don't agree with either. With the sources that you have pulled, these could well be used to supplement the main club article but I see no reason for keeping individual season articles for seasons that clearly fail NSEASONS and GNG. Spiderone 09:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per above. Batmanthe8th (talk) 04:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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