Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2005–06 A1 Grand Prix of Nations, United Arab Emirates
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep, consensus is that the article can be improved so that it is more than just statistics and it is standard to have articles on these topics. Davewild (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2005–06 A1 Grand Prix of Nations, United Arab Emirates[edit]
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Article contains a pure listing of the results without context (see WP:NOT#STATS). PROD was declined by reason of " a ton of sport articles present just result tables", which is in my opinion not a valid reason to include this article.) Adrianwn (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't delete. This article belong to WikiProject A1 Grand Prix and is a part of the 2005-06 race reports. Not all reports articles are completed (some of them are like 2005-06 A1 Grand Prix of Nations, United States of America or all 2007-08 reports like 2007-08 A1 Grand Prix of Nations, Shanghai, China). Of course, these articles need to be improved. Let the project members work on it. The WikiProject A1 Grand Prix is a small WikiProject but with the main WikiProject Motorsport we decide to let time to improve the race report articles like 2007-08 reports (see e.g link above). - Rollof1 (talk) 08:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It's a synopsis page of one of the 2005-06 A1 Grand Prix season's race weekends. You can't just single out this particular page just because it doesn't have as much details as some of the other results. Let us in the A1GP WikiProject deal with it. If we find more useful information for the article, we'll add it. Obviously older races before the WikiProject was setup won't have as many details as fairly recent/futures races, but cut us some slack... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 08:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I don't intend to single out this article, I'm just using it as a test case for about 15 other articles which look the same. Furthermore, it's not like I nominated a young article for deletion: this one has been looking the same (a table of racing results) for more than two and a half years. The article violates WP:WWIN and there was no indication that this was going to change in the foreseeable future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianwn (talk • contribs) 10:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- With that sort of logic, it's as if you're saying that all race weekend pages from all forms of motorsport should be deleted... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 14:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it is not. The problem is not that the article is about a race weekend, but that it is a just a table about the results of the race, with no or just minimal context. Please read WP:NOT#STATS. Adrianwn (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If that really were the case, then 80% of all the Formula One race weekend pages should be deleted... Take the 1996 Belgian Grand Prix for example. I don't see any AfD or prod for it, even in it's history... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 15:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it is not. The problem is not that the article is about a race weekend, but that it is a just a table about the results of the race, with no or just minimal context. Please read WP:NOT#STATS. Adrianwn (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've just looked through your contributions, and it seems as if you nominated 14 of such articles for speedy deletion. Three days have since passed without any deletion, before someone removed the template, because the speedy deletion didn't happen. It also looks as if half of your edits over the past few days have been to nominate articles for deletion, and from the lack of red links, it doesn't appear as if they have been successful. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 14:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Your argument concerning my other edits has nothing to do with this debate.
- No, I did not nominate those other 14, similiar articles for speedy deletion (what makes you think that?), I proposed them for deletion (see rationale of this AfD). This means that they get deleted if within five days nobody objects to their deletion. However, somebody did object, so I took one of them to AfD, because I didn't agree with the reason for the objection (this is the recommended procedure for this case).
- The reason why I proposed many articles for deletion is not that I am on some kind of "killing spree" ;-), but that I was going through the backlog of WikiProject Notability, and a lot of articles I found there were, in my opinion, candidates for deletion. But again, this has nothing to do with this debate.
- The reason why you don't see any red links in my contributions is that deleted articles are not listed there.
- Adrianwn (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, you don't need to explain the inner workings of Wikipedia policy to me, I know how things work and what's right and not. (WP:DTTR) TheChrisD Rants•Edits 15:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't get irritated :). Wikipedia:WikiProject A1 Grand Prix and WikiProject Motorsport think these articles are enough pertinent to keep them. There aren't good but starting artcicles (like the ones quote TheChrisD about F1). We need to improve them (probably not in the close future) otherwise we must delete all A1GP race report articles (this debate was already discussed in WikiProject Motorsport talk pages concluding to keep). - Rollof1 (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, you don't need to explain the inner workings of Wikipedia policy to me, I know how things work and what's right and not. (WP:DTTR) TheChrisD Rants•Edits 15:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- With that sort of logic, it's as if you're saying that all race weekend pages from all forms of motorsport should be deleted... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 14:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I don't intend to single out this article, I'm just using it as a test case for about 15 other articles which look the same. Furthermore, it's not like I nominated a young article for deletion: this one has been looking the same (a table of racing results) for more than two and a half years. The article violates WP:WWIN and there was no indication that this was going to change in the foreseeable future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianwn (talk • contribs) 10:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It's a synopsis page of one of the 2005-06 A1 Grand Prix season's race weekends. You can't just single out this particular page just because it doesn't have as much details as some of the other results. Let us in the A1GP WikiProject deal with it. If we find more useful information for the article, we'll add it. Obviously older races before the WikiProject was setup won't have as many details as fairly recent/futures races, but cut us some slack... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 08:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I removed prod because this article is pretty much up to the standards of most Wikipedia articles on sport competitions. Just check any article about Beijing Olympics - they all could be deleted on the same grounds as they contain nothing else but the result tables. I agree that such standard / format is really low and should be improved, but deletion is not a proper venue for that. Renata (talk) 18:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.