Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2002 FIFA World Cup statistics

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Statistic articles, merge / redirect discipline articles. Stat articles are kept per consensus, discipline articles are redirected to the most appropriate section in the relevant tournament article. Where no such section existed, I have added in the headline stats from the forked article. Editors are encouraged to use page history to add anything additional that is relevant but are warned about excessive / unreferenced stat listing and giving undue weight to any one section Fenix down (talk) 12:57, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2002 FIFA World Cup statistics

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Following this AFD, I am nominating these articles for deletion for the same reason – WP:NOTSTATS. There is no other cases where statistics for individual tournaments have their own page. List of FIFA World Cup records is sufficient. – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:43, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:43, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - The FIFA World Cup is the biggest international football tournament there is. I think there is scope for a list of records and statistics from each one. – Pee Jay 11:19, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the 'statistics' articles (as per PeeJay's rationale on coverage) but delete/merge the 'disciplinary record' ones, no need for a separate articles for that. Giant Snowman 11:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments I am straight down voting Keep for the statistics articles, however I think the disciplinary record articles are way too deep and excessive for wikipedia guidelines and inclined to go with delete per WP:NOTSTATS. Statistics pages should cover a fair amount of discipline information anyway. Govvy (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all World Cup is the biggest international sporting event in the world larger than even Olympics in viewership.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep all all passes WP:NOTSTATS and FIFA World Cup is more important than others but can consider merging the disciplinary articles to the main statistic articles Hhkohh (talk) 12:39, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from nominator – I'm concerned that as these article stand at the moment, that they provide far too much statistical infomation, little to no prose, no context, and just about every stat is unreferenced – Ianblair23 (talk) 13:04, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per PeeJay2K3, though agree with GiantSnowman for merging the disciplinary articles to the main statistic articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Reply Ianblair23 I often think some of these regular contributors of the football project vote with their heart. I often wonder if they bother reading the polices or not. For-instance Hhkohh saying keep because all the articles pass WP:NOTSTATS. Except that policy isn't a pass or fail policy, it's meant to explain what Wikipedia shouldn't have and can have. FIFA World Cup is considered a top rated subject and that would include the statistics so I would hardly call that an indiscriminate article. Govvy (talk) 14:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but delete or merge disciplinary pages Sigh. These fail WP:NOTSTATS as they stand. But I'm voting "keep" because data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources, and these pages could be improved to pass WP:NOTSTATS, especially the coaching sections. I don't think you can do that with the disciplinary stats, though. I used to buy specialised encyclopedias for this exact type of information, which is why I think it's both encyclopedic and improvable. SportingFlyer T·C 20:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep statistics, merge disciplinary - Article 3 of WP:NOTSTATS says we can create a separate article for statistics, I think it means we should not have another page for disciplinary record. In my opinion, these information do not lack context or explanation, so they should be kept, and they usually are too massive to be merged into the main articles. Some other tournament articles which have less statistical details can include them and still be readable, but not FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro ones, unless we choose to remove a major part of these information. Centaur271188 (talk) 17:51, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all Biggest soccer tournament there is, it's different than a continental competition. This isn't indiscriminate, it's clearly related to a very notable subject. Smartyllama (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep statistics/merge disciplinary The stats pages provide a wide range of information about a major event. Many of these stats are excessively granular and could be excised though. The disciplinary stats are also more detailed than necessary and not an independent topic from the rest of the statistics. The By player table should be split into columns like the goalscorers (or we can use discretion to only list those with more than one). Reywas92^Talk 23:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.