Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/100 greatest Romanians

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

100 greatest Romanians

Appears to be a pure copyvio at present, lifted from the contents of what the TV show said. That would fail GFDL for their commercial use. Beyond that, I'm not convinced of notability here. rootology (C)(T) 17:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's not a copyright violation. Results of polls are supposed to be objective facts and, as such, they cannot be copyrighted, per Romanian and US law. bogdan (talk) 17:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the notability of the list itself? Not the people on the list itself, but how is the "100 Greatest Romanians" list by this TV station notable? TV stations do lists like this constantly, for all sorts of things. It's practically the only things that some stations in some countries air these days. rootology (C)(T) 17:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it's been reported by all the Romanian press. I can find a dozen or so articles about it. bogdan (talk) 18:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Its a list made by a commercial company with a for-profit intent. Our reproduction of it harms their right to profit from the investment in creating the list. MBisanz ^talk 17:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, the poll was organized by the state-owned public television in Romania, which is not-for-profit organizatin, but that's irrelevant to the copyright status.

The result of a poll is pure data/facts and according to the copyright law, you can't copyright data and facts. If the list were made up by an employee of the TV station, it would be copyrighted, but the poll simply reflects the public opinion. If I were to make another poll at the same time, I would, under the error margins, get very similar results. bogdan (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. Passing over the copyright issue that's been covered above, this doesn't appear to be a particularly notable list - although we appear to have a number of similar articles in the attached nav template. That all being said, someone should probably pass the redlinks (Mădalina Manole, Florin Piersic, Iancsi Korossy, Andreea Marin, Ilie Cleopa, Dumitru Cornilescu, and Sorin Ovidiu Vântu) off to an appropriate WikiProject for potential article creation. Zetawoof_(ζ) 21:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since it's not a copyvio per Bogdangiusca's points above, and if it has significant news coverage as he says. Could the articles in question be added as references? I'd do it myself if I read Romanian. Olaf Davis | Talk 21:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - no copyright violation; major program on a notable subject from a notable TV station must be notable. The "TV stations do lists like this constantly" argument doesn't wash because it appears to be the only notable Romanian list. Lack of English sources is an issue but that doesn't detract from the subject's notability. See also WP:CSB. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not copyrightable. The list (in particular the top 10) has been discussed over and over again by the media in Romania and Moldova, which makes it highly notable. — AdiJapan 05:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not copyrightable, endlessly mentioned, many equivalents. Biruitorul ^Talk 16:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep uncopyrighted and notable. Horselover Frost (talk) 07:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.