Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ʻAlí-Muhammad Varqá

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 02:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ʻAlí-Muhammad Varqá[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:RELPEOPLE, however, it could be merged with Hands_of_the_Cause. Serv181920 (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Serv181920 (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - all the Hands of the Cause should easily pass notability, and adding them as a section on Hands of the Cause is awkward. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 17:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 17:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is notable enough that Encyclopedia Iranica has an article about him, English Wikipedia should too: https://iranicaonline.org/articles/varqa-ali-mohammad. Tarikhejtemai (talk) 03:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Check the last comment of this section by Cuñado, one of the main Baha'i editor on wikipedia.Serv181920 (talk) 09:09, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how that comment is relevant. Iranica is not a Wikipedia mirror. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That comment is totally irrelevant; Iranica is a one of the most credible sources about on any topic related to Iran. Additionally Ali-Muhammad Varqa is not only mentioned there several times but it has a standalone article of its own. Tarikhejtemai (talk) 03:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there is any wiki policy that states if Encyclopedia Iranica has an article then wikipedia should also have!Serv181920 (talk) 08:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article wants improvement, but being the last surviving Hand of the Cause, in addition to his other responsibilities, satisfies notability in my view. Granted, the overwhelming number of sources on him tend to be from Baha'i sources. That shouldn't be a great issue. RexSueciae (talk) 19:19, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He could be a notable person, but for Baha'is only. There can be a good article on him at Bahaipedia. I believe he fails WP:BASIC Serv181920 (talk) 08:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 18:05, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunado. Again, Hands of the Cause should easily pass notability.--Bettydaisies (talk) 01:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I think this can close as keep. Also another AFD just ran for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abd al-Hosayn Ayati whose notability was also upheld with an Iranica article by most commentors. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 07:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How is that case related to this case? And there the "notability" is not upheld due to Iranica alone! Serv181920 (talk) 10:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neither is it here. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:RELPEOPLE only refers to Christian leadership; it is exclusive of other faiths. So this reason for deletion is null and void. Wikiproject Baha'i Article Sources says that due weight should be given to using Encyclopædia Iranica as a source. It is regarded as a tertiary source. Blase references have been given to Hands of the Cause without sufficiently explaining it. This particular reference should suffice as notability for this article. Use of a notability guideline that does not explicitly address this world faith is misleading. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.