Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Øyvind Mæland

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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 12:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Øyvind Mæland

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No evidence of notability. Sources in the article are his own site, a bio on a commercial site, and own listing published by a society of composers. No independent sourcing, and searches turned up nothing. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:51, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• Delete a non-notable composer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - the "society of composers" casually referred to above is in fact Norways' Norwegian Composer Association, (similar to Britain's Royal Philharmonic Society), celebrating its centenary this year. That in itself is notable. To delete this composer we may as well delete every entry in the Norwegian contemporary classical composers category. Norway might not like that . Mark^Dask 20:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• I'm not sure I'm following you. Every entry in the category has to be judged on its own merit. Geschichte (talk) 21:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I mean that if membership of Norway's foremost classical music fraternity does not count as Notable then what can? Almost all Norwegan contemporary composers belong to the association. Mæland is a member ergo notable, (plus 2 refs added). Mark^Dask 22:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Might I point out that if, as you say, "Almost all Norwegan contemporary composers belong to the association", that does not argue for notability. That is more like saying that almost every actor in the U.S. belongs to SAG, so therefore membership in SAG is evidence of notability. But it isn't. Not sure that membership in this Norwegian society is notable, either. Doesn't have a Wikipedia article, also not conducive to showing notability. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:19, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I take your point - and the refs I've added? Mark^Dask01:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi. It appears that both of the refs you added are non-independent. They are ads for venues where he performed. What they show is he is a working musician, but not necessarily notable. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Ooh well - I tried Mark^Dask 01:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

No worries. They are good cites, not just towards notability. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Keep -- I found this review in Morgenbladet: "With sci-fi ears: Øyvind Mæland raises over the conventions of contemporary music, lowly but definitely", in Norwegian.

The subject has a no.wiki article which is suggestive of notability. The article states that he also wrote an opera:

• "In 2013, Mæland completed its almost two-hour opera Ad Undas-Solaris Corrected, which had its premiere at the Norwegian National Opera in October that year."

This seems to meet WP:CREATIVE. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Plus This is something more than your average working musician, (more refs added). Mark^Dask 09:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC) 16:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Added Cambridge University Press reference - substantial critique by independent source. Mark^Dask 09:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC) 16:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

• Keep as per the arguments of MarkDask. Lacypaperclip (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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