Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"Cooler Ruler" Divine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Weight of the policy-based arguments is towards deletion. As a note, Discogs is user-generated content and is considered to be an unreliable source. Hog Farm _Talk 20:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Cooler Ruler" Divine

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Not sure quite what to make of this, could be OR, could be even hoax. In any case, the sources cited are non-RS, and a search finds nothing of substance, therefore none of this is verifiable. Fails WP:GNG / WP:NMUSICIAN. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not a hoax but a masterpiece of notability leaps. Most of the article's sources are self-created social media, and the rest are about other people. He once produced a group in which one member was related to someone notable; a song he produced was played by a DJ who knew famous people. That stuff is written into the article with glorious importance but it does not confer notability in his own right. He has some production credits under the name Big Dex [1], but he is not currently in "broadcasting" because his current so-called radio show is self-uploaded on YouTube [2]. He's a longtime behind-the-scenes guy, and he can stay that way. This is no place for a glorified autobiography. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. The name of this guy also made me thought "this is surely a hoax", but turns out it is not. However, he is unnotable. Also, the article was created by a SPA/COI editor. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The production credits are shown as required in quite a few references. The article provides enough detail of the individual to the point that editors agree that "it's not a hoax". Notability may be little but not missing. The recorded radio shows were aired via Airtime pro for the years of 2016 & 2017 with no visible documentation to represent the broadcasts other than what's on the social media. Then eventually the shows were reduced to only social media. I would only be in favor of removing the article if it could be proven to be untrue which it can not. D. N. Wells (talk) 1:01, 21 June 2021 (EST)
- I appreciate that as the article creator you are in favour of retaining it, but just to clarify, the onus is not on us to disprove the contents; the onus is on you to establish notability, which YouTube videos and Google search results etc. do not do. Please cite reliable, independent, secondary sources showing significant coverage of the subject. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Clearly understandable. However every reference is possibly the best one available on the internet (maybe). Discogs I assumed would be pretty reliable as well as some of the others if you are familiar with them. Every ref can't be found online. For instance, an Ego Trip book recognized Big Dex as a writer on the song Renee by the Lost Boyz. You can't find it on the web. And as far as notability is concerned, Big Dex has platinum and gold plaques which aren't available online to show (other than social media). The credits on the back of the "Legal Drug Money" album (Gold status) shows 7 songs "produced by Big Dex" if you are able to physically pick it up and look at it. He's also the ONLY rapper on that album besides the group. Problem is, many confused him with Mr Sexxx so they put Mr Sexxx's name in place of Big Dex online. Hence, one of the purposes of this article which is to clear this up once and for all. I will however continue to search for more reliable sources and add them to the article. (Also note that I made a correction to one of the references, #8, which may help with notability) -- D. N. Wells(talk) 09:27, 21 June 2021 (EST)
  - At Wikipedia we assume good faith and welcome newcomers, but it is crucial to understand that this is an encyclopedia in which people and things must qualify for inclusion. Therefore notability is a very specific concept here, and a person is notable if they have been covered significantly in reliable sources. Please read through these blue-linked Wikipedia policies. Big Dex/Cooler Ruler indeed has some credits and he is known to some people in his scene, but that does not appear to be enough for our purposes. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I must add that I noticed a lot of my refs and citations were somehow different from what I first entered...and some were repeated. I just fixed the ones that I noticed. Hopefully those fixes give the article the credibility it deserves. D. N. Wells(talk) 10:36, 21 June 2021 (EST)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.