User talk:WCFrancis/Sin star

Googling we go

Google Your search - "Summer Corruption Tour" - did not match any documents. 03:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Hit for "Bleeding Through Tour": http://gb.trustkill.com/artists/tours/ could not find either Mind Pollution or Sin Star. 04:08, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Your search - "Bleeding Through Tour" +"mind pollution" - did not match any documents. 04:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Gothstock 2005 VIP & Voluntary Tech. (2005) US 10 11 12
Marilyn Manson - Against All Gods VIP (2004)13 14 15

I added numbers to links to match Article numbering.WCFrancis 04:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Before looking up the provided references, note: VIP may mean nothing more than having a backstage pass, which carries no notability. 04:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

10: Livejournal = Blog. Meaningless.
11: Myspace.com = free host.
12 Gothstock.com cannot find Cory Wade, Davien Crow, Mind Pollution or Sin Star, not even as staff. And it isn't until this weekend Sept 24. 25! 04:29, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
13 Wow! A link to a jpg of a ticket or maybe pass with something blacked out. And it's on sinstar.net. Meaningless.
14 Another image on sinstar.net. Of Davien Looking very goth-somewhere- wearing the ticket/pass/badge. No help, I don't see Marilyn Manson in the picture anywhere.
15 from Davien Crow's blog. (www.livejournal.com/users/daviencrow/9948.html) No good as verification either.

Mushroom Cloud Records

Mushroomcloud Records Artists listed:

Altar of Rock
Countach
On a Pale Horse
Parallex
Only
Treblehook

Confirmed compilation We Will Be Heard 2, track 16. "Dead Star" - Mind Pollution

Bmi also confirms Dead Star as written by Davien Crow. [1] however, it is the only entry for Davien Crow as writer, and it lists it as 'Demo version". 05:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

From Bmi:

Songwriter Composer Current Affiliation CAE/IPI #
CROW DAVIEN| BMI 45843691

05:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Halo Guitars

Confirmation from Halo arrived responding to my request:

please send me the link we are talking about sinstar yes what has been said

Waylon Ford

Followed by address and "...e-mail is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)...." boilerplate. So I can't quote it on Wikipedia (wait - I just did- but only in my userspace) (better for them because of shorthand).

[2] had this:

Well, Halo Guitar Company just messaged us on Myspace wanting to offer our guitar player an endorsement plan that offers him their guitars at the cost it takes them to make one.

Not exactly sponsorship. At best a way to keep luthiers in the custom shop working. At worst, vanity publisher-like scam.

Reviews at Harmony Central - guitars are either loved or hated. Out of 10 possible, there were several with 10 or near 10 reviews and two reviews on one model 3 and less resulting (with the other near perfect review) in an average around 5 to 6. Apparently some models are made in Korea, with variable quality. Relatively inexpensive models available. 21:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

other publishers

Unable to confirm existence of Red Pill Music or Kid Atrium Music. Only Google hit on Sin6 Studios is on a Sinstar blog. No use as confirmation.06:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Videos:

Mind Pollution - VHS (2002)(Discontinued by publisher because of legal threats)

Unable to confirm, no reference, no explanation of legal threats.06:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Publications

Books Poetry.com appears to be a Vanity Press or printer for self-publishing.[3] 06:29, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Unable to locate Davien Crow on this site (db search inoperable, probably bogs down and chokes on 1.5 million entries.). I found book, 250 pages being offered at 49.95. Probably more than one poem per page, except for "Soul". No poet credited - is it Davien? Well, I searched prize winners for two years back and did not find his name. No confirmation.

Update: See below. I found it under name of Corey Wade. WCFrancis 00:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also submitteed bad poem, see "Storms" below.WCFrancis 07:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews MMDN Bi-Weekly Underground Music Review (2004-2005)

site search for Sin Star has only since and star hits but nothing together. 06:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Journals do not count toward notability since they are open for anyone to do, with near total freedom. No selection by unbiased editor/reviewer/publisher.

My Poem for Poetry.com

Storms

Poem deleted by author as desired licensing (Creative Commons license Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5) appears to be inconsistant with Wikipedia policies. Apparently any text on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, hence derivative works must be allowed.

WCFrancis 02:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cruelty of Poetry.Com

The International Library of Poetry (online site) is a scam very close to the edge of the law. They may have edged over the line in some cases. Not quite a vanity publisher, they do not ask for money to publish a poem (at least not in the first letter) but charge an exorbitant price ($50) for shoddy copies of compilations of submitted poems. They do, however, charge to include a small blurb about the poem and/or the victim - I mean, Poet. There follows an invitation to a conference (cost around $600 per person, not including food & lodging) to read your poem and accept your award (which I suspect you will never see if you don't go.)

It is apparently impossible to get a rejection. Not only was my deliberately bad poem Storms accepted as a semi-finalist, I have found examples on the internet of absolutely ridiculous poems, including complete gibberish, that also received this high award. An entire fourth grade class wrote and submitted poems; all were accepted. Dave Barry printed his hilariously bad-but acdcepted poem in his column.

Many would be poets less aware of this type of barely legal morally bankrupt practice end up heartbroken and/or enraged at the deceit. The sad thing here is that User:G4DGET bought into the scam and seemed to believe that the publication of a poem by Corey Wade/Davien Crow as something inherently notable. The title of his poem is Soul.

To find these poems, you will have to search the site by poet's name. For mine use William Francis; poem listed under William C. Francis. For Soul, search for Corey Wade; poem displayed under Corey Michael Wade.

Crystal Ball

Sin Star- LP (Spring 2006) From other talk page

Deletion of personal sub-pages

Reference Sinstar. I thought that personal sub-pages were exactly that - personal.

There were no links to it from article pages - only links were from my talk. So why it was deleted is a mystery to me. What gain except a couple thousand bytes of storage? What is the point? Not that it was an important article, and I probably should have removed myself, but why didn't you get my response 'before deletion?

Incidentally, the article was stored like that since it was a fangirl written piece that resulted in an amazing discussion regarding deletion that ended up driving the writer away from Wikipedia. (My talk with her has also been saved in my talk archives.) She had done a thorough job but the controversy was regarding the nebulous issue of "notability", which had no decent guidance on definition other than consensus. The debate got unnecessarily acrimonious. The article was reasonably supportable and well written. Wikipedia lost a potential enthusiastic editor with clear writing ability over this and I felt it was a example of one of the weaknesses of wikipedia.

wcf Facts are stubborn. Comments? Originally posted 08/14/2006 - check history if you question this.wcf Facts are stubborn.

Is there a reason you have not replied to the above?

wcf Facts are stubborn. Comments? 04:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I have been away in the States for a week and haven't yet recovered from jet-lag, I caught up with some things before others.

User sub-pages are not personal any more than any other page on Wikipedia. Nobody owns them. Articles moved to user space after result of deletion debates can be kept for a while but in the end they have to be either fixed or removed, because Wikipedia is not a free web host. We allow users to sday something about themselves on their user page because although Wikipedia is not a social networking site there is a degree of social networking between editors and using user space to facilitate communication between them, within certain limits, seems to help to build the encyclopadia. I regret the departure of any Wikipedian (although my definition of Wikipeidan does not include those who come here to push a barrow), and AfD is not a great place some of the time, but in the end fanpages generally get deleted. It's not about notability, it's about verifiability from reliable secondary sources. Fanpieces are no different from novel interpretations of historical events in this respect: Wikipedia is not a publisher of first instance. If you want to fix up the article or need the text to take to your own website there are plenty of admins - including me - who will gladly facilitate that, but consensus deleted content is to be deleted, not moved to some place where it gets less scrutiny. Just zis Guy you know? 11:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One of my points was the material was verifiable, and was deleted as non-notable. I don't care about that article and you were right to delete it under the policy. If you would, you could also clear out some other pages which I have tagged for speedy under owner request. Thanks.____wcf Facts are stubborn. Comments? 05:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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