User talk:Vonones/Archive

Vandal

I've blocked the vandal for 3 days. If he vandalizes again, report him to WP:AIV or send me a message. Pax:Vobiscum 20:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jews in Pagan Armenia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 07:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

reply

My article was the oldest in the suggestions page, and therefore was supposed to go to next update.Bakaman 04:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 24 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Artine Artinian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 16:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Orion

So where did you find that image of Tigranes and Orion? The caption needs a source. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but you haven't answered what I really need to know (fair-use is not my concern); what is the source (author, title, date, and if possible page number) for the assertion that this is Tigranes and Orion? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Do remember that most of us have no idea whether Gevork Nazaryan is a web-designer, an ancient historian, or a book title. He does not seem to have installed a search engine; I can get to his Encyclopedia, but where did you go from there? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see my latest comment at Talk:Orion (mythology). Also, I have to ask you something significant on the image itself. Did Mr. Nazaryan actually take that photograph himself? Because it looks very much like it was scanned from somewhere...--Pharos 23:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Cherkesogai

Hi! Please, check a spelling. Probably they are Cherkesohay, as I find them on the Russian wiki. (thereis nno differences between g and h in Russian). Thanks. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 21:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi!

Your recent revert removed additions to that article that were arrived at via the talk page through consensus. In particular, your change alters the assertion of Toynbee, misrepresenting his findings: Toynbee asserted that 600,00 died in 1915-1916 during deportations and massacres, but you've altered that assertion to suggest that Toynbee stated 600,00 Armenians died in the Armenian Genocide from 1914 to 1918--this is not true, in fact Toynbee's figure was describing only 1915 and 1916.

As per the talk page, the word "casualties" was removed because it implies that the dead were combatants, rather than non-combatants. The word "casualties" carries a revisionist connotation that should be avoided.

As per the intro, you should explain your logic. I find that to be even-handed, there can be a maximum described only if a minimum is described. If you disagree, I'd be interested to hear your logic and consider it.

Nice choice on your user page picture, it's quite beautiful. Cheers! DBaba 02:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

POV dispute

I've given him a final warning. If he continues, report him to WP:AIV. Best wishes/ Pax:Vobiscum 21:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

"Archive"?

Where is this so-called "archive" that you indicated in your edit summary when you removed several user warnings? I don't see a link to it. Trying to hide something? Realkyhick 19:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Users who delete (not archive) speedy-delete messages and other warnings tend to have a a pattern of vandalism. They seem to try to hide their warnings in an effort to avoid progressive warnings. Simply moving material of any kind to an archive is just fine (I do it myself), but most users who do this have a link from their user talk page so that other editors can check for any concerns. I've seen a couple of other users who attempted to disguise outright deletion as archiving, so it's one of those little red flags that pops up. With you, it's apparently not an issue, but you would do well tp put the link to the archive page here somewhere. Just helps others to know you're working in good faith.

However, you did remove the speedy-delete tag from Artak Movsisyan, even after you placed the {{hangon}} tag there, so I'm placing the following user warning template here....

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from articles you have created yourself. Please use the {{hangon}} template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion. Thank you. Realkyhick 20:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It would help greatly to put ISBN numbers beside his book titles. If these books are sold on Amazon.com, those listings should have ISBN numbers. Wait, never mind — there's nothing listed for him there, I just checked. We could also use some other links about him, such as a newspaper, magazine or other publication where he may have been interviews or had a book reviewed. Basically, we just need a way to verify that he is who you say he is. Realkyhick 20:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Another editor (an admin) has removed the speedy-delete notice. I am still considering whether or not to take this to a formal AfD discusion. Realkyhick 21:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It's still not obvious, though it not obvious that he's not notable, either. We still need some independent, reliable sources that are about him, not just by him. Again, it is to shows that others recognize his notability, not just you. You will need to find the links and add them yourself. This page will show you how, if you're not familiar with the process. Realkyhick 21:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm that other editor, & removed the speedy tag to give some time to find the necessary stuff, and gave the same advice as Realkyhick. For people who write books, I think the most obvious sources are reviews of the books. For these books, I might not be able to find them, but a librarian who knows the subject and the language could probably help. Incidentally, many non-US/UK books still do not have ISBNs, and most older ones in all languages. If you can find an OCLC or an LCCN, or other national library numerical identifier, that is a good substitute. another thing that really needs to be added is the date of publication. If the books were published in Armenian, why not add the titles in that script as well as transliteration, and give an English translation of the title as well --it helps the rest of us to see what they are about. DGG (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Turks are the descendants of the anatolians

Why do you keep changing my turkish language additions to anatolia related texts.Who do you think you are? The most of the descendants of anatolians live in Turkey and today speak turkish so the turkish version of their names for sure must be included..i will include them later again if you dont correct your mistake..

Source?

Hi. Do you have scientific/reliable sources for that? If not it should not be in the article... (The given reference is neither scientific nor reliable, sorry.) --Thogo (Talk) 17:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Artak Movsisyan

Artak Movsisyan, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Artak Movsisyan satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artak Movsisyan and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Artak Movsisyan during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Realkyhick 00:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

White people / Black people article links

I've linked each of these articles to the other in their "see also" sections. You removed the former on the basis that one was the "complete opposite" of the other. This kind of view is exactly why I've linked them: I've now reinstated the link. -- The Anome 07:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Arshak Chopanyan

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Removals

Regarding these edits: [1] This has been discussed. This is about Iranian peoples, not Iranian as in the nation of Iran. Who are you to deny the Iranian-ness of Kurds? Kurds are an Iranic people and they have contributed greatly to the history of the middle east and deserve to be recognized for that. A list of Iranian states and empires cannot be complete without the inclusion of the Kurdish kingdoms.Hajji Piruz 01:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Martiros Kavoukjian

What this article needs is some documentation of his work, such as a list of books and some information from RSs about how important they are.DGG (talk) 11:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Artak Movsisyan

A tag has been placed on Artak Movsisyan, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Realkyhick 18:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

IP vandal

Let me know if he hits any new articles, I don't have every Armenia-related article on my watchlist. --Golbez 21:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked the ranges for 3 hours, that should calm things down. --Golbez 22:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Arabia

Hi Vonones, The article is not related to the modern Arab nationalism. It simply mentions the people of Arabian origin. (the region) Just like Armenians are mentioned in the history of Cilicia. You understand what I mean?

The article discusses Ancient Arabia as a region. Elias is using Arabism as an excuse to get help from others in his vandalizing efforts? (look at his edit hstory, you wil see an extremist Assyrianist who doesn't recongnize the Arameans! or Syriacs or any other ancient history besides Assyria)

• ofcourse any constructive help to improve the article will be appreciated. --Skatewalk 22:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism warnings

Why you think its not vandalism ? please read more about WP:Vand. thanks Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 22:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I wasnt trying to block him , but he was refusing to discuss , and denying all references. please don't add anything to that article and go to discussion page, please. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 22:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Hi Vonones, I will add sources can you take a look at it in few hours. and see if it has enough sources? The article is still in the start stage, thats why its still green--Skatewalk 23:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Arabian vs Modern Arab

Well the problem is the text makes a assumption that Akkadians are Arabs, Arabs as in the people; since Arab is not a region but people. --Vonones 23:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Seen, I got your point of view --Aziz1005 23:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to Arabian, User:Slackster suggeted that we change it to Arabian so it dont get confused with the modern Arab term. Not every Arab is Arabian and vs Versa. Even in some places of Arabia today (West Oman, East Yemen) they dont speak or relate to modern Arabs, instead they maintain an ancient Arabian language and identity --Skatewalk 23:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved the original material sign

I moved to the section I can't reference. The Assyrians and Arameans (non Arabs). have their own websites, but I will leave that for them. to fix since they know about that more than me. --Skatewalk 23:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Armenians

In South Arabia some Bedouins use the name Armon, 'Armon, you can find the name variants in the north. It could come from highlands? Arm in semitic means high. or it could mean other things? I am not into genetics and racial related subjects, but many NearEasterners in General resemble the Armenians in many ways. (and its a known fact that the Armineans remained isolated through the period of Islamic invasions, so we can't attribute the Armenians looks to Southern invasions). Honestly, no offense intended (I cant tell a Lebanese or Assyrian from an Armenian by looks alone!). So when I hear Armenians arguing Sumerian and Proto-Semitic origins I wil not be surprised if one day this becomes accepted. --Skatewalk 01:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• Armenians are not semitic, not sure what you mean I wasn't offended by anything. --Vonones 01:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• I know that the Armenians are an IndoEuropean group. I was refering to your addition on the Akkadians.Akkad were descendants of Armenians - Added--Skatewalk 01:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

That was only in a edit summary, Akkads are not related to Armenians. --Vonones 01:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

OK lol! I thought that was the reason you were editing Ancient Arabia, and I didnt want you to feel left out!--Skatewalk 01:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

re:Flavius Belisarius

Hello there, I assume you meant to mention user Flavius Belisarius (talk · contribs), how may I help? Just browsed their contributions, I didn't find anything too controversial or personal attacks, and I haven't got a clue about his previous block(s) or 3RR violation(s). It might be preferable to contact the administrator who originally blocked the editor in question, or you could make a report at WP:3RR. Best, PeaceNT 14:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ughtasar Petroglyphs

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denizz

We could use a vc tag. {{vc}} Since they are archives, they should be fine. Governmental statements, especially things like archives should be fine. We can just mention the source and let the wiki reader decide. Opinions would not be fine. Deniz^T_C 04:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Even if it is POV it would be fine as long as other POVs are presented with reliable sources. Please read WP:NPOV carefully. There might be WP:UNDUE issues though. Deniz^T_C 04:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Read what I have written above. And, it is sourced by Iranica!! If other academics say otherwise, just mention that with a source. We should pay attention to WP:UNDUE, here as well. Besides I did not see much talk about it on the talk page. By te way, where is your archive? Deniz^T_C 08:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Deniz^T_C 09:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

edit war

I am using the discussion page. --Maha Odeh 06:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Arabia Denial group

[2].[3]

• I really want to fix the article and have a civil discussion section, but the Ancient Arabia article dont exist!. And my ancestors paid a very heavy price for not following Islam, and I am not going to edit/accept the (Jahiliyah) Islamic related article, just because it was force merged into PreIslamic Arabia!--Skatewalk 01:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Add next to your Elias diehard buddy Ancient Arabia denial group, because you are contribuiting to the 1400years old cultural genocide of Ancient Arabia.--Skatewalk 01:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Go propose for a name change for example, to Pre-Arabia or PreHistoric Arabia or whatever. --Vonones 01:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Whats wrong with Ancient Arabia? does is it say anywhere that it wrong to use the term Ancient Arabia. Just like ancient Egypt or ancient Mesopotamia or Ancient India. Every region in the world deserves to have its Ancient history article and not an article glued to the (jahiliyah). --Skatewalk 05:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Vonones stop vandalism

dont change the materials about Turkic identity in wikipedia, especially Turanians. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.105.40 (talk) 20:08, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Corduene

Hi,

I agree that the overall Armenian rule in Corduene is around 250 years, but to make it compatible with the timeline at the end of the page, I added Urartu(800-595 BC) and Tigranes' rule (90-66 BC). This is needed because the two periods in question are almost 5 centuries apart. Thanks.Heja Helweda 00:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay. --Vonones 00:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jakob Künzler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 23:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

User:EliasAlucard/Userboxes/ArmenianAssyrianGreekGenocide Seth J. Frantzman 18:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

German-Armenian Society and machine translation

Thank you for your contributions, but please be careful in taking a machine translation of a page from another Wikipedia. The page in the state you left it made little sense, and required considerable work to make it readable (which I did). Please look at Wikipedia:Translation#What_to_remember_when_translating regarding machine translation. You may instead wish to seek help at Wikipedia:Translation regarding articles which you wish to translate. Rigadoun (talk) 18:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

irgirq and Sumerian people!

• Was Sargon Sumerian!? Why is he using his mask?--Skatewalk 09:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Huns#Appearances

I encourage you to discuss the issue at the section linked above. Edit warring is not the right way to construct an article, instead discussion should be used to achieve consensus. bibliomaniac15 Prepare to be deleted! 23:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:User

I am unfamiliar with that subject and would rather not get too involved in that dispute. Please report what you think is wrong to WP:ANI. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 19:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Georgi Karakhanyan

A tag has been placed on Georgi Karakhanyan, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Notability of Georgi Karakhanyan

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Deletion of speedy delete tags

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Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for edit-warring and possible gaming of the 3RR rule (including editing as an IP). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

. ELIMINATORJR 15:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Vonones (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Not a appropriate block, if you look carefully I was trying to comprise with the ip and user I have no means to use 'ips'.

Decline reason:

I do not understand your reason for unblock. The word "comprise" makes no sense in that context. If you log out of your account, you are editing as an IP. — Sandstein 05:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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Can you please show me where I violated the 3RR? --Vonones 00:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The blocking admin claims you are the same user as the IP editor on that page. --Haemo 00:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

He says possibly; I never even edited those articles until recently. Anyway I never violated the 3RR. Its not a valid block and has no evidence. --Vonones 04:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand your reason for unblock. The word "comprise" makes no sense in that context. If you log out of your account, you are editing as an IP. — Sandstein 05:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay? and did I log out? no. What don't you understand? that ip is not me. --Vonones 14:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)