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Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

I can't help but notice that you keep your User talk page completely blanked. When I looked at your talk page archives, I see you have archived another message left for you earlier today that you didn't respond to yet. That is awfully quick. What if the editor returns to see what your response is? Of course, it's your user page and it's your call but if you want to be involved in processes like closing AFDs, you're going to regularly have editors coming here for explanations and with questions. You should leave messages up for at least a few weeks if not a month. Visitors to your takl page shouldn't have to go into your archived messages to see if anyone has come here with a problem. There is also no reason to "hide" messages if that is what your aim is. Every active editor has other editors communicating with them, sometimes it's positive and sometimes it's negative, it's the nature of collaborative editing.

But my recommendation is, since you seem interested in assuming more responsibilites on the project, that's it's not a good look to wipe your user talk page clean after every message you get. It shows a lack of responsiveness and the more you take on administrative work, the more discussions you will have with other editors about your decisions. You don't need to have an overloaded talk page like my own (which I really need to archive) but it's healthy to show a little activity here and if someone has questions, you should reply to them. Thank you for all of your contributions here, they are appreciated. Liz Read! Talk! 06:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I want to assume you watch this page, so. Looking at VWF’s talk history, it will show that they are not the one manually archiving the pages. It is being archived by Cluebot. So, they’re not trying to hide anything. The recommendation to early archiving is to actually set the archive time to probably 300. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Liz! It’s great to see you here again, and thank you for reaching out. I had actually been expecting a message from you on my talk page since last week, so I’m glad it finally arrived. I realize pings may not notify you due to your settings, but I'll leave my response here for reference.
There are several points in your message that I believe may not accurately reflect the situation. I'll clarify why I feel your remarks are, in my opinion, "entirely incorrect".
You noted, I can't help but notice that you keep your User talk page completely blanked. When I looked at your talk page archives, I see you have archived another message left for you earlier today that you didn't respond to yet. That is awfully quick. What if the editor returns to see what your response is?. As of the time I received this message from you—07:49 on 12 November my time, 02:49 your time, and 06:49 Wikipedia time—the most recent human edit to my talk page was on 6 November. The last bot edit was Cluebot III archiving the latest discussion at 02:27 on 10 November. Your specific statement that I archived another message left for [me] earlier today that [I] didn't respond to yet does not match this timeline, as you can see. Perhaps, you have been typing this message for me in the last 4-6 days ago? I can't tell.
Thank you as well for suggesting that I extend the duration before threads are archived on my talk page. I realize now that I could adjust that to allow more time, and I'll make those changes following this message.
You also commented, There is also no reason to "hide" messages if that is what your aim is.. I think a quick look at WP:GOODFAITH might be beneficial for you here. I'm curious as to why you might think my intention is to "hide" any messages. For as long as I can recall, I have always made a point of addressing questions, listening to feedback, and acknowledging my mistakes when necessary.
Once again, thank you for the feedback—it's always helpful to have another perspective, even if I disagree with some of your conclusions. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFD Closure World Defense Show

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Hello, I noticed that the recent AfD closure did not seem to consider the source analysis table provided. This table was intended to offer a comprehensive look at the quality and relevance of sources related to the topic, and it would be very helpful to understand if there were specific aspects of the analysis you found less significant or if other factors took precedence in your decision. Could you clarify how the closure was assessed as "keep" in light of the available SAT which clearly proves otherwise? Thank you for your time and attention! TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @TCBT1CSI. The AfD discussion you initiated was closed as "no consensus," not as "keep." These are distinct outcomes: "no consensus" indicates that the discussion did not reach a clear agreement, meaning the article could be renominated after approximately one month. In contrast, a "keep" result would reflect a consensus that the article meets notability guidelines, as confirmed by participants in the discussion.
I am sure this clarifies what "no consensus" means in this context. Regarding the source analysis you provided, my role as the closer is not to evaluate the sources myself, as doing so would constitute a supervote. My responsibility is to close the discussion based on the consensus established by the participants, not my personal judgment. In this case, there was no consensus to keep, merge, redirect, or delete the article. Please feel free to reach out if you have further questions. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the helpful explanation. I have one more question: since the AfD was closed as "no consensus," is it permitted to relist it for another AfD immediately, or is there a required waiting period, such as a six-month cooling-off? TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 11:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TCBT1CSI You're welcome. So, there is actually no exact waiting period before renomination, not that I know of. I think it is mostly discretionary. When I said "could be renominated after approximately one month" above, it was just from my discretion and not like it is generally stated somewhere, not even at WP:NOCONSENSUS. But I will not advise you to not "immediately" renominate an article whose AfD was closed as no consensus. You could wait for as long as you find more evidence and reasons it really isn't suitable for Wikipedia. I hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia:Renominating for deletion; If the XfD discussion was closed as “no consensus”, generally do not renominate the page for at least two months. I’ll be sure to follow this rule. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and the useful tips. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There you go. No problems. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AI and Nigerian English

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Interesting article somebody shared with me. [1]. It's about how companies have outsourced a lot of their AI-trainers to African countries, such as Nigeria, which has led to lots of large language models favouring words used in those dialects of English. So, some of the "classic tells" that people use to see if a text was AI written? Those might just be tells that the person they're talking to is using a dialect of English they're unfamiliar with. But anyways, just wanted to share this with you. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenLipstickLesbian Thank you for sharing this. It's really interesting to think about how much of AI's language quirks might actually just reflect everyday dialects from places like Nigeria. Makes you wonder how much of what people assume is "AI-speak" is just unfamiliar phrasing to them. Perhaps we'll need to revisit some of those "tells" for AI-generated text, as what we think of as authentic language may start reflecting a broader range of dialects and nuances. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article Patrol

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Hey, just made few edits to an article. Not sure if the events should have a separate article or exist within this article Boca Raton Championship Wrestling. Can you take a look and give possible improvements? Thanks. Highly appreciated. (Copied from archived) Freeoftheletters (talk) 14:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Freeoftheletters Hi there. This is a pretty fine article. Thanks for creating and working on it :). No, the events do not need to have a separate article, it’s very fine as it is right now. Happy editing! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Evening, I'm a little confused

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Hi! I was just looking at an AfD, and saw it had an AfD for a different article on the talk page for it. You made the change on this edit. Am I being a bit dim, or is that AfD for Godzilla: Monster of Monsters rather than Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters? Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski Evening! Oh, it appears XfDCloser did what it was meant to do but I didn’t notice it wrongly added an old AfD template there. The consensus from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Godzilla: Monster of Monsters was to keep Godzilla. There was obviously no consensus to keep Godzilla 2. I will go ahead and amend that close to reflect this. And yes, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters is apparently correct and should be able to tell whether Godzilla 2 should be kept or not. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I went to look into it as procedural close, as it had just been closed, but got very confused. Thanks for clarifying. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads up and I’m sorry about the confusion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt

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Hi! Morning.

I had this small confusion regarding two articles I created. One is King. A few weeks back, the draft I submitted was accepted under WP:AFC submissions. Another is article Khadaan which I created a week back.

But none of them show up when I search them on Google. It didn't happen with my previous submissions - they could be seen through a google search. I don't know, but probably there is some error from my side. So, could you please look into this.

Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BhikhariInformer Good morning! There are several aspects to consider here. First, the two articles you mentioned have not been marked as patrolled. When an article is created directly in the mainspace or accepted from AfC, if it is less than 90 days old and has not been marked as patrolled, it will not appear in search engine results. If it is less than 90 days old and has been marked as patrolled (by a New Page Reviewer), it will be indexed by search engines. If the article is older than 90 days and still unpatrolled, it will automatically be indexed.
I'm sure you can now determine where the two articles fall within this framework. While reviewing them, I noticed they were overloaded with references. Could you please clean them up by retaining only the most reliable and relevant sources while removing the excess? Once that’s done, I’ll be happy to take another look. Happy editing! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot.
Now the patrolling and reviewing aspect about the articles is clear to me. Thanks to your informative helpful summary. As you have said, I have shredded off the excessive references from the article King. Places where there are too many references, I have removed those which are unreliable or not even mentioned at WP:ICTFSOURCES. The total number of references now stand at 56 against the previous 70. So, you can please have a relook into the article now. Do tell me if I have to correct anything else.
About Khadaan, there is an issue. I created the article with a normal number of references. Mostly 1 or sometimes 2 references after a line, regarding a topic. But when you visit the page history, you will notice there is an editor with the name "Made in Kolkata". He is blindly adding references after the lines. At places where a citation already existed from before, he has added 10 more citations on the same topic. I don't get why but he is trying to add every available reference to the article. But, whenever I try remove some, he adds 10 more. I even wrote about this to "Ravensfire" in his talk page to do something. According to his suggestion, I wrote in "Made in Kolkata"'s talk page to remove some refs as they were cluttering the article as per WP:CONSECUTIVECITE. But he was stringent on his edits and not wanted to remove any refs, defending that many more articles have like that.
So, I would request you to do something about the extra references in Khadaan. May be you can warn him in a stronger note or like remove some references where they have been bombed. Or else, if I remove today, he will add them tomorrow. But if you say, I can remove the additional references. They will also probably ruin the visual representation of the article for neutral readers.
Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 11:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BhikhariInformer Thanks for working on the articles. I checked the talk page of Made in Kolkata and didn’t find any thread there indicating that you communicated this problem to them. It is way better to communicate this to them than to Ravensfire actually.
But you can go ahead one more time to the article and remove the unnecessary citations. Remove them and let me know. I’d drop a message on Made in Kolkata’s talk page. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have cleared off the extra citations. Now there are 132 references against the previous 187. I would request you to have a look now.
And sorry about the talk page info. I mistakenly wrote his talk page. Actually, I wrote about it to him in reply to his message to me on my talk page. Really sorry regarding the inconvenience. While writing to you, I forgot that the conversation took place on my talk page. Here's the thread:
User talk:BhikhariInformer#Khadaan (marketing section)
Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BhikhariInformer So, I have dropped a talkback message at Made in Kolkata's talk page now to invite them to this discussion. I will take a look at the article later. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Thanks for your cordial cooperation in the whole matter. BhikhariInformer (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Made in Kolkata Welcome! I appreciate you joining the discussion here—it's helpful to consolidate conversations in one place. Regarding the Khadaan article, as has already been mentioned, when making a claim or statement in an article, Wikipedia only requires the two best sources to support or verify it, even if 50 reliable sources exist. Adding 7 or 8 citations to a single statement is considered reference bombardment and is not aligned with good referencing practices.
As a best practice, focus on using the top 2 sources (and at most 3) to back up a claim. Overloading a statement with excessive citations can make the article harder to read and maintain. I hope this clarifies things for you. Happy editing! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you sir. But I wanted to provide those as there are several articles having a number of citations for a single one. Made in Kolkata (talk) 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Made in Kolkata For the record, any article that has 5 or 6 (or whatever number you think “several” is) citations to a single claim is a bad article and needs to be cleaned up. I hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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