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Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maps of American ancestries. It's an interesting article, but IMO not suitable for an encyclopedia. Feel free to disagree, or agree. Thanks. Jaque Hammer (talk) 00:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey. I'm the guy who wrote most of the content at the 'Yaghan Language' page. Couple of things. First, if you know how to do these things, the title should read Yahgan, not Yaghan. I don't know who first put together the page initially, but the -gh- is completely nonstandard- NOBODY in the academic world spells it this way, if they've done any real research at all on the people or language. The word itself was coined by an English missionary, Thomas Bridges, after the name of a local strait in the center of the native territory, called Yahga-shaga, lit. 'Yahga Strait'. He was the one who chose the spelling, where the -ah- was meant to convey a 'long' a, as in English phonetics, and has NOTHING to do with the following g. As there were Italians on some late 19th century expeditions who wrote about their adventure, I'm guessing that some editor must have made a decision that the -hg- was a typographical error for Italian -gh-. On the other hand, the Spanish spelling is Yagan, and the -g- is pronounced as a voiced velar fricative, so somewhat similar to the -gh- in Italian. Since Latin America ain't Italian-speaking (maybe Italian Argentines were the cause?), and English and Spanish speakers really were the only two Europeans to have extensive dealings with these people, the name should be changed to reflect one or the other. And since this IS the English language Wiki, it should go with the original English spelling.

Second point- the vocabulary you added to the page perhaps needs some edits- sometimes these online pages get things wrong. For example, palena isn't rain. Rain is more like belaka, bvlaka (v schwa) with pelaka, pvlaka devoiced (the current trend), sky wa:gun, not -ul, again without voicing wakun- the -un is locative, and this term seems etymologically related to the terms fóka, háokà for 'cloud'. Bay, inlet ushipin is interesting- ushsha relates to the head of a bay, up a creek, back end of a cave, etc. But -ipin? Maybe from -u:pai 'towards, in the direction of' plus following -n locative?

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yasála, jesæla sáeskin, sæskin pusáki There are some phonological environments where there is ambiguity between sh and s, and I've seen reports of switching in other environments relative to what was put down in the Yahga Straits dialect. So maybe ok, but yvshvla/yeshela for dog was the 19th C. general spelling, and pushaki for fire. svskin, siskin had an alternate shishkin.

Lastly, there are now online a number of original documents in Yahgan- texts, grammatical treatments, etc. Heck, even the dictionary may be online soon. So do you think these would make good links on the page?

Thanks, Jess Tauber [email protected] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.246.162 (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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map at Taiwanese aborigines

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tables in taiwanese aborigines

• Hi Stevey – there is a significant amount of unsourced data in your tables; it will kill the article's Featured Status if we leave them there. I am terribly sorry. Is there any way you could revert back to the version before you added the tables? I know you wanted them in there, but "rules is rules"... • Ling.Nut (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Proto Tibeto-Burman

The issue for me is that I do not think it is write to present Matisoff 2003 as 'proto-Tibeto-Burman' that book is merely the opinions of one man. And if you read the reviews of the book you will see that they are generally controversial and not well supported opinions. My issue with the 'sound change' section is that normally in historical linguistics a sound change is a change from something specific into something else specific, like 'Grimm's law'. Simply saying that clusters simplify, then turn to glottal stops, then turn to nothing, is either so obvious it means nothing or is a religious belief about what is inevitable. In either case, not what is normally meant by 'sound change'. Tibetologist (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, lets go with 'sound patterns' or perhaps something like 'typological tendencies in historical phonology'. I apologize for having come down a bit hard on a young article. As you have gathered I am not a big Matisoff fan. Unfortunately there is not much else out there on proto-Tibeto-Burman. I would however strongly recommend the works of Gong Hwang-Cherng (who calls the proto-language Sino-Tibetan). Gong's complete works on 'Sino-Tibetan' were collected as a nice volume in 2002(?), I could get you a copy if you like. Tibetologist (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

This book is about half in English and half in Chinese. Tibetologist (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Authors: Gong, Hwang-cherng. 龔煌城. Title: Han Zang yu yan jiu lun wen ji / Gong Huangcheng zhu. 漢藏語硏究論文集 / 龔煌城著. Edition: Chu ban. 初版. Published: Taibei Shi : Zhong yang yan jiu yuan yu yan xue yan jiu suo chou bei chu, Minguo 91 [2002] 台北市 : 中央硏究院語言學硏究所籌備處, 民國91 [2002] Description: vii, 431 p. : ill. ; 27 cm. Series: "Yu yan ji yu yan xue" zhuan kan. Bing zhong ; 2, xia 《語言曁語言學》專刊. 丙種 ; 2, 下 Other title: Title in English on p. [4] of cover: Collected papers on Sino-Tibetan linguistics Notes: Includes bibliographical references. Language note: Some articles in English. Subject: Sino-Tibetan languages. ISBN: 9576718724 HOLLIS number 009093649 MARC view Link to this record http://hollis.harvard.edu/?itemid=%7Clibrary/m/aleph%7C009093649

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Hi, I'm Claudi Balaguer (User Capsot from the Catalan Viquipèdia and Occitan Wikiccionari). First of all Happy New Year, I wish you and your family all the best for 2011 and that the minorized and endangered languages will be able to survive and grow as long as possible. I hope you will forgive this intrusion. I have noticed while leaving messages to GerardM. in Meta that you seem to show a keen interest on languages, supporting some of them to get out of the incubator, so I though that you would appreciate to know what our association will plan to do in March. The Catalan Viquipèdia will be celebrating its 10th birthday soon (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:10_anys_de_la_Viquip%C3%A8dia) and we are planning to have some sessions directed towards getting some wikipedias out of the incubator and we would really appreciate at least your advice, at best your participation (though I guess Europe might be a bit far... as is America to me right now...): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Teamwork_of_projects_in_languages_with_singular_status. Our association also has tried to become a Chapter, to no avail until now, but since Catalan has no state, our demand has not been accepted so far; if you think that our cause is just and that minorized or stateless languages deserve to have a Chapter of their own, you can stick this template on your userpage Wikimedia CAT and/or sign the Members and Supporters list accessible via the link in the template. Again, my best wishes for 2011. Take care and let's hope all the world languages will live long! Claudi/Capsot (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, if you ever need something about Catalan or Occitan just let me know, I'll be glad to help! We'll probably keep in touch for some advice as we are trying to create this event. Best regards, Capsot (talk) 11:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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• Did Ratliff include Bunu language and Younuo language in his “Hmongic languages” concept in Hmong-Mien language history? ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 06:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

  Ratliff place Bunu and Jiongnai into different language group. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 06:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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OK, I will do so as soon as possible. — Stevey7788 (talk) 00:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Central Maluku languages

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You added Collins (1983), where East Central Maluku consists of a single branch, East Seram, which consists of a single branch, Nunusaku. I'm wondering if there's an error there. — kwami (talk) 04:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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Miao

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Could you tell me where Younuo and Wunai are found in Ratliff (2010)? I don't have access. Could you also confirm which ISO codes correspond to her Hmong? And does she present that as one language, or as a branch of Hmongic which is just not illustrated at Hmongic languages? I'm trying to straighten out the confusion over what "Hmong" and "Miao" are in our articles.

Thanks, 10:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks DPL bot, fixed. — Stevey7788 (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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— kwami (talk) 06:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Matisoff (2001) supposedly mentions Raojia & Pa Na languages in the West Hmongic family. Do you know anything about this? I'm not coming up with anything (I don't have access to the article), and it would be nice to have at least some comment identifying what these are. — kwami (talk) 06:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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ISO codes

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I'm wondering why you would say there is no ISO code in several articles you created, when there is. Min Zhuang language, for example, which you note was first described in SIL, and so should recognize in Ethnologue (they have the same refs you do). Also listing the name of the language twice in the info box (Min Zhuang, AKA Min Zhuang) is redundant. — kwami (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, you did: you put "none" in the field, rather than just leaving it blank. That's what puzzled me. — kwami (talk) 23:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Zhuang languages

I have appreciated many of your contributions. However a number of your recent edits to the Zhuang languages page seem incorrect. For example making Dejing Zhuang and Yang Zhuang the same. The 13 'dialects' given represent the divisions of the 1950's and 1970's surveys summarised in Zhang (1999). However the Ethnologue divisions are based on later surveys and in a number of cases divide Zhuang up into dialects quite differently. Would you mind looking over the links for the last three and checking to see if the same thing is being talked about.Thank-youJohnkn63 (talk) 07:24, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response on my talk page. My apologies for attributing the Yang Zhuang link to you. Since we both agree it is wrong I will remove the link.Johnkn63 (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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