User talk:PresbyterianStl

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Referencing concerns

I see you have been adding material to articles based on the reference Still Time to Care by Greg Johnson. According to the publisher's website, this book has not yet been published. This leads to a couple of concerns.

Wikipedia references exist so that the reader can, at least in theory, verify the statement made by going to a reliable source. Indeed, verifiability is one of the central pillars of the Wikipedia effort. But people cannot go and look something up in a yet-to-be-published book. As such, the references are premature.
The fact that you have access to this forthcoming book suggests that you possibly have some conflict of interest. If you are connected to the work in a way that you may be seen as benefiting from the promotion of the book or the author then you have a conflict of interest. I'm an author of some works and the publisher of many others, and this is a situation that I find myself in frequently, because the subjects that I'm interested in as a Wikipedia editor are similar to those I'm interested in as a writer and publisher. Such a conflict arises not just when you are editing in a promotional way, but when you might be perceived as having a promotional interest in your edits. In the case of adding a book as a reference source, people who could identify you might well think that you were trying promote sales of the book, or to promote the appearance of the author as an expert. We have guidelines on how to deal with a conflict of interest, which involve being open about what that conflict is, and often not doing conflicted edits yourself, but rather going to the article's Talk page and suggesting the edit, while stating why you have a conflict. That way, unconflicted editors can evaluate your suggested edit before it goes into the article.

I also see that you've used the sandbox to formulate what looks like an article. You may want to move that to a draft article instead of the sandbox, as the sandboxes get wiped out pretty quickly. And if you have some sort of conflict of interest regarding the draft article, you should use our Articles For Creation process to have someone evaluate whether the article should be part of Wikipedia (moved from "draft" status to active article status) rather than doing it yourself.

Even if you should have some conflicts of interest, there are of course plenty of articles on which you have no such conflict. Don't let anything I say here discourage you from being a Wikipedia contributor! Millions of articles, and we ain't anywhere near done... --Nat Gertler (talk) 12:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, this is helpful. PresbyterianStl (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. If you have any questions, feel free to post 'em at User talk:NatGertler! --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Johnson (author, pastor) moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Greg Johnson (author, pastor), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Greg Johnson (author, pastor) (September 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Mikehawk10 were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Portions of this article seem to be sourced entirely to a google doc. In general, this is not a good practice, as google docs tend to not be reliable sources. This appears to be a biography of a living person. As such, this material is liable to be removed until such a source is provided. Additionally, please do not insert external links inside of the normal prose of the article. A link to purchase one's book in the second sentence comes off as highly advertorial, and, absent reviews from other independent reliable sources, it doesn't warrant a mention in the lead.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Greg Johnson (author, pastor) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Greg Johnson (author, pastor), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

— Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, PresbyterianStl! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Greg Johnson (pastor) has been accepted

Greg Johnson (pastor), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Rusalkii (talk) 22:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]