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Nice edits to Blast furnace, by the way :-) JackyR 01:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:River Teme

It is really worth reading WP:NOR, WP:V and WP:NPOV along with their guidelines they really help sort the wheat from the chaff. Unfortunately in this case some wheat had to be thrown away because it was not sourced. If you disagree with the 3 policies you can always change them, as just like any other Wikipedia page they can be edited by anyone. The article Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias also makes an interesting read. BTW controversy is often part of Wikipedia see for example Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki#Debate over the bombings. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

-) --Philip Baird Shearer 23:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Words to avoid and see if on reflection the tone in the section "Commercial navigation" needs fettling (to use a black country expression) --Philip Baird Shearer 22:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] River Teme " . . .Is it you who has been asking for more details of the sources on navigability? If so, please contact me at [email protected]. Peterkingiron 20:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)" Not me - I am staying out of this debate. --MJB 11:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Town and Country Planning in the United Kingdom

Hi, I've written a response to your comments relating to the renaming Category:United Kingdom planning law if you'd care to comment. Regards --Mcginnly 11:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Buxted

I have had to remove copyright violations by User: George cowie and in doing so have removed some of your contribution to the above article for which I apologise. Jooler 11:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikinfo:

Thanks for the post to my talk page. I was going to send you an emial but you have not enabled your email in this system. If you do enable it the person sending you an email will not be able to see your email address unless you reply to their email.

Your comment on "The correct place for unpublished results is in printed journals" made me think that you might be able to place some of your unpublished results on a wikipedia sister site. Perhapse you should have a gander at the article on wikipedia called Wikinfo, and the Wikinfo:Main Page. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Baron Dudley

Your info about Baron Dudley may well be correct. The article was started by a user who had a reputation for introducing badly-researched work into wikipedia, and I spent much of my time following him/her around trying to clear up messes. Probably all I did in this case was wikify the article and/or try to make sense of what she'd written. So please do carry on. Deb 13:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Having looked at it, I can see why it seemed like I'd written it, but I suspect what I actually did was to move it from another article she had written. There is never any need to worry about deleting stuff from an article, because it still exists in the old versions of the article and can always be restored if necessary. Deb 16:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Vote

You didn't write Delete or Keep in your vote. Please do so to clarify your vote of the article; see its talk page and a previous 3-month old deletion page. Georgia guy 00:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Steel

It's probably worth including some sort of steel chart in this article, or at least a list of the metals commonly alloyed into stel and their effects upon it (Nickel for toughness, Molybdenum for hardenability and high-temp strength, manganese for wear resistance but with the neg effect of lower plasticity, etc.). I'm not sure how to fit it into the article in it's current form, and you most likely know more about the topic than I do anyway, so I'm leaving it to you. If you need a chart of the types and composition or the effects of some metals I'll lend a hand there, you've just been editing it recently and have more related knowledge, and I am loathe to screw up the flow of such a well-written article. Let me know what you think. Daemon8666 18:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Over-wrought

Hi, apologies for delay in replying. Yes, I agree completely that the material would be better at puddling furnace, although alas I'm not a specialist, just an Industrial Revolution enthusiast. And I'm trying really hard to stick to my backlist at the moment, so afraid I'm not offering to help here. But there's a useful template for this sort of cross-referencing: {{main|Article}}, which appears as

Main article: Article

and is usually placed immediately after a sub-head (see: Ancient Egypt). This helps inattentive readers considerably, as people are apt to skim an article and think something isn't covered.

Meanwhile, here's a task from my backlist JackyR | Talk 23:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The Technology Barnstar
I, JackyR, award you this barnstar for substantial, top-quality work on articles about the Industrial Revolution, and for helping to make Wikipedia a coherent, usable source, not just a random collection of information.

Ashtapradhan

Hi, you have voted "might be kept" here. I have expanded it considerably. Could you please consider changing your vote to keep? Thanks in advance, --Gurubrahma 14:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Town and country planning in the united kingdom 2

I've created categories and subcategories, pretty much as your suggrstions for Category:Town and country planning in the United Kingdom. We'll need to recategorise the articles into the 3 categories which will be - UK planning law, UK planning policy, UK planning interested parties. By the way - we've recently started the wikiproject - Wikipedia:WikiProject Urban studies and planning if you'd like to join or know anyone who does, we need the numbers.--Mcginnly 00:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Planning stub

I've also proposed a stub called {{planning-stub}}.You can support it's creation here - Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2006/June#.7B.7Bplanning-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Category:Urban_studies_and_planning. --Mcginnly 09:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

Please don't accuse me of vandalism, everyone makes mistakes. I mustn't have been paying enough attention, vandals are people who purposely try to wreck articles, I did it by accident. Lcarsdata (Talk) 20:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You said that what I did was "unintentional vandalism", the comment is still on my talk page, but I have acted a bit harsh, lets just leave it and get on with writing an encycolpedia. :) Lcarsdata (Talk) 15:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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Templates similar to the places in Bedfordshire template

Hi - I noticed your query at user talk:Lcarsdata about other templates similar to Template:Places in Bedfordshire. I created the Bedfordshire one, and could fairly easily create others. Are there any in particular that you have in mind? -- Rick Block (talk) 02:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Early Iron (bloomery / smelting)

Dear Peter King

I post my contribution to the discussion on the bloomery entry here:

There is indeed a strong desire to see references for the earliest history of iron as described here! I am fully aware that this is a minefield of opinions rather than 'hard' facts, but I would argue that, as stated in the smelting bit, there is a very significant absence of evidence for early production (i.e. not artefacts, but production remains such as slag, furnaces etc.).

Therefore, rather blunt (my opinion..) observations such as Iron appears to have been smelted in the west as early as 3000 BC, but bronze smiths, not being familiar with iron, did not put it to use until much later., certainly not indicated by reliable evidence, should not be made.

The second statement: In the west, iron began to be used around 1200 BC, presumably as a replacement for bronze, which was becoming harder to come by due to shortages in copper and tin is even 'worse'. This idea was proposed (by Snodgrass) in the 1970's, and although an attractive idea, is certainly no longer the 'majority view', if not dismissed altogether. Whereas tin may have become somewhat scarcer, copper certainly did not, and the continued presence of bronze artefacts during the 'coming of the age of iron' clearly shows that this was not the (prime) reason for using iron. More likely, or at least a more important factor, may have been the improvement of (secondary) smithing techniques, leading to iron being preferred for more and more types of artefacts.

Anyway, can go on for hours, perhaps we can discuss more before changing the entry? As all things iron are so 'hotly' debated, I did not want to arrogantly change the text to reflect my opinions.. And as you indicate below, you thought the smelting bit could be placed here as well. Perhaps we could craft a text that discusses and reflects different possibilities?

x@x 14:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


Your Issues with the Lead article

I have added two new sections to lead that, I think, address the issues you cited as unaddressed back in April of this year. Have a look and feel free to send me any feedback on the additions. Karlhahn 20:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the "Processing" section based upon a single source -- the Samans book, which is the only book in my personal library on general metallurgy (and it is pretty dated). My contribution is only a summary sketch of what's in the book on the topic of smelting and purifying lead. The book has flow charts, diagrams of various apparatus, and plenty of chemical equations, as well as much more detail of the processes in the text. I'm not sure how much detail is appropriate in a Wikipedia article. And without a second source, I am hesitant to add more. But if you have other source material at your fingertips, by all means expand on what I've written when and if you can spare the time. Karlhahn 04:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Further update on Lead

Prompted by your most recent comment in talk:Lead, I did some poking around and found a more recent reference (on line, no less) for the use of blast furnaces to smelt lead. The reference is the website of Lead Development Association International. Please see Primary Extraction of Lead Tech Notes. I have added this reference to the article, along with another one from the same source on lead refining. Karl Hahn (T) (C) 18:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Royton and Cotton mills

Hi! Thanks for the contact.

I'm not claiming anything to be quite honest! I was just adding verifiable content to the article, and that shouldn't really have been blanketed out in this way.

I think you misunderstand that a cotton mill doesn't necessarily have to be powered and kitted out with all the relivant inventions synonymous with those factories. I understand that the first cotton mill at Royton was the first warehouse/factory building which cotton was spun on a large scale, as opposed to the more archaic cottage industry, or the later styles of mill.

Royton is significant as a cotton mill town (I should add I don't and have never lived there). First mill aside, it was one of the most productive, and the last place in Britain where a cotton mill was built. I think it is worth a mention if not in the first paragraph, then somewhere in the lead. Jhamez84 17:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I should also add that www.spinningtheweb.org.uk is one of the most comprehensive sources on the Textile industry online. The newspapers (some of which serve different towns) are just additional sources to back the claim. Jhamez84 17:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 21:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Re : Deletions

Go ahead. - Mailer Diablo 16:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Lewis Paul

If you think the tags no longer apply given your more recent edits, note the reasons why you are removing them on the talk page, and remove the tags. That way people viewing the article can see your reasons and know you are not just blindly removing tags. I mainly tagged the article so that people who surf articles in need of work would know this was one. In this way I was trying to make it less likely it would be again tagged for deletion again, as other people might come and contribute to further improve the article. I would contribute myself, but it is a subject I have no useful knowledge on. As for the specific tags:

The cleanup was added because the article does need cleanup of grammar and organization.
the cleanup-confusing was added because sections of it are confusing to read, in particular the paragraphs on mills that used his patent
the off-topic was added because at the time there was not a break for the section on Mills using his patent, so it appeared that you veered off his biography and into the ownership of some mills. If you feel you have now cleared that up sufficiently please feel free to note that and remove the tag.
the unreferenced|article was added because while you did list some further reading there are not actual references or cites in the article. I did not simply tag it with an unreferenced tag as the further reading shows the start of a references section.

And as for the spelling note, that was not intended as an insult. I am a rather horrible speller myself. I noted it as gross spelling errors because I only fixed the ones my spell checker recognized, and I wanted people like Chris the speller to know that there might still be spelling/grammar errors to fix. I hope this has helped to clear up my position. If you wish to further discuss this please leave any responses in my user page so I am sure to see them. Improbcat 19:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • The only effective way I've found to check as I go is to use the Firefox Browser. In recent versions of firefox if you go into the options, then to the advanced tab, there is a checkbox for spell check as I type. If you activate that, it checks you spelling much like in Word, putting the red marks under possibly misspelled words. If you then right click on them it gives you possible corrections. It has done wonders for my spelling online. Improbcat 21:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Reversion

Peterkingiron said: I note that you reverted some recent edits to Sugar Act following a plague of gross vandalism, mostly by persons who were not signed in. I have reverted to a version just before that began. I hope that what I have done is appropriate. I did this because the vandals appeared to have destroyed what may be good text. I wonder whether the article does not need to be semi-protected or to have action taken against the vandals. I note that you are an Admin; I am a humble editor, trying to get rid of what I know to be inaccuracies where I find them.

Nicely caught. That was the right thing to do in the situation, and I hope that I didn't make things worse for the article by reverting to the wrong version. I had noticed that more than one user had added vandalism to the article, and really what I should have done is to revert to the last registered user edit instead of using the Rollback function.

Thank you for pointing this out to me. Bobo. 02:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Institute of Palliative Medicine

Hello, I cleaned up this article a bit and added a couple references for nondisputed facts. Please review my changes and consider changing your AfD vote. Thanks --Mus Musculus 19:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Watermill Discussion and the Chinese

Being interested in metallurgy and having written academic articles, I'm surprised you've never heard of the Chinese engineer Du Shi (Tu Shih)! Lol. :) In the discussion for the article watermill, you wrote this:

Some one has added something about the Han dynasty. I do not know wheter this is right, but have moved this away from the main account of European watermills, as the statement did not sit happily where it had been placed. If the statement is correct, it is likely that the mill was invented independently in China and Europe. However a citation is needed.

I reply:

Yes, the ancient Chinese did invent the water wheel as well, during either the usurpation of Wang Mang or the very early Eastern Han Dynasty, or perhaps even earlier that wasn't officially documented. Refer to Joseph Needham's Science and Civilization in China, or Michael and Mary Wood's Ancient Machines: From Wedges to Waterwheels.

I then wrote this bit in the article:


The watermill was separately invented in China during the Han dynasty (202 BC - 220 AD) in order to grind grain as well as to power piston bellows of a blast furnace in forging cast iron. In 31 AD, a Chinese engineer named Du Shi (Wade-Giles: Tu Shih) "invented the first water-powered bellows. This was a complicated machine containing gears, axles, and levers that was powered by a waterwheel," (Woods, 51). Waterwheels found practical uses such as this, as well as extraordinary use. The astronomer, mathematician, and inventor Zhang Heng (78 - 139) was the first in history to apply motive power in rotating the astronomical insturment of an armillary sphere, by use of a waterwheel. The mechanical engineer Ma Jun (200 - 265) from the Kingdom of Wei once used a waterwheel to power and operate a large mechanical puppet theater for Emperor Ming of Wei.


I hope that clears up the citation issue.

I also expanded on the ancient Romans, clarifying some things, and adding some new info:


The technology behind the watermill is somewhat older than that of the windmill. The ancient Greeks and Romans are known to have used the technology. In the 1st century BC, the Greek epigrammatist Antipater of Thessalonica was the first to make a reference to the waterwheel. He praised it for its use in grinding grain and the reduction of human labor:

Cease from grinding, oh you toilers; women slumber still, Even if the crowing rooster calls the morning star. For Demeter has appointed nymphs to turn your mill, And upon the waterwheel alighting here they are. See how quick they twirl the axle whose revolving rays spin heavy rollers quarried overseas. So again we savor the delights of ancient days, Taught to eat the fruits of Mother Earth in ease.

The Romans used both fixed and floating water wheels and introduced water power to other countries of the Roman Empire. So-called 'Greek Mills' used water wheels with a vertically mounted shaft. A "Roman Mill" features a horizontally-mounted shaft. Greek style mills are the older and simpler of the two designs, but only operate well with high water velocities and with small diameter millstones. Roman style mills are more complicated as they require gears to transmit the power from a shaft with a horizontal axis to one with a vertical axis. An example of a Roman era watermill would be the early 4th century site at Barbegal in southern France, where 16 overshot waterwheels were used to power an enormous flour mill. The Cistercian Order built huge mill complexes all over Western Europe during the medieval period.


--PericlesofAthens 23:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Puddling (metallurgy)

Puddling (metallurgy)

KK, I'll edit the incorrect statement & site my sources for the rest —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Intranetusa (talk • contribs) 17:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

I've forgotten what I had added so I'll leave you to edit out the incorrect section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Intranetusa (talk • contribs) 18:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

kk, thxs for the edit. -intranetusa

Science and Innovation associated with Birmingham

Hello, thanks for your comments here science and invention in Birmingham. I have made a suggestion on the talk page, thank you. 86.133.106.3 09:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Stuff (cloth)

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Stuff (cloth), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. — ERcheck (talk) 00:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

My major objection with the article was there were no references, not that it was a stub. Can you find any online references? It would be nice if there were references that were easily accessible to Wikipedia readers. As for the prod tag, it is acceptable for the author to remove the prod tag. It is only speedy deletion tags and afd tags that should not be be removed by the author. (In fact afd tags should not be deleted until the afd discussion is completed.) Thanks for adding references. — ERcheck (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Shadoof

Thank you. It's the less important articles like this that make Wikipedia interesting. Euryalus 03:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi from Scott Free

Thnx 4 dropping by my page and for the comliments. I think the satellite articles sound like good ideas. Believe it or not, I've only been on wiki for maybe 2 years, so I'm still learning the ins and outs (Categories, linking pages, etc). Yeah numbers are a big problem for pre-modern societies, especially those without written records. When I searched wiki I found maybe one article with any good data of historical demographies. Most of that data was pretty recent.

I got into the TAST article not too long ago cuz I had some info from another angle. My contribs to it are mainly the pre-colonial Africa stuff (where they come from, who got sold the most, and the death rate thing). First thing I'm doing after posting this is putting the time frame at the top of the article. I'm also gonna put a table for important dates (when the first slaves arrived where, mostly). I recently uncovered that the first slaves in what became the USA arrived in 1526 around Georgetown with the spanish.

The existing articles, especially on pre-colonial Africa, are practically stubs. I've been working hard to expand the really important states (or at least the ones I believe are important). You should've seen the Mali Empire page 2 years ago. Now, with the help from some others, it's fricking great! My research has led to me to believe that the states of Mali, Oyo and Kongo are the most important to African-American history prior to the TAST. Nearly all slaves came from areas under their control or influence with the exception of the Gold Coast or Mozambique.

I'll do my best to speed up linking and expansion on the articles I have posted. That would be a start. Feel free to pre-empt me, however. I get so absorbed in some articles (especially Mali) I neglect the others. I will also get to work on the african kingdoms/african empires page. Once again thnx for the compliments and interests in these subjects. Scott Free 15:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

List of the writings of William Monahan

Hey, this stupid list is up for deletion again. As someone who voted on this issue previously, please feel free to express your opinion again. Also, billdeancarter has taken the liberty of notifying those who voted to keep in the first debate, so I am doing this to be fair. WhiteKongMan 13:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Navigation Acts

No offence taken. I defer to your knowledge. If you look back in the history, a few anon editors vandalised the article heavily and a repair bot made the situation worse rather than better. --Red King 22:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo-China war deletion comment

The exact content of Goguryeo-China wars is available in other articles detailing the specific and unrelated wars (such as Goguryeo-Sui wars). There is no historical reason to combine the articles together into Goguryeo-China wars as the wars mentioned were completely separate and unrelated (involving different polities). The only reason for combining these wars into one article against China is from the perspective of Korean ultranationalistic agenda and thus it is highly controversial. There is additionally the controversy of whether Goguryeo is a Chinese polity or not (see Goguryeo controversies). If Goguryeo is interpreted also as a Chinese polity (which many Chinese see as), tehen this combination article becomes nonsense (becoming "China-China wars"). I suggest this article be moved to the Military history of Goguryeo. --JakeLM 01:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Puddling

I am returning your note to me with my reply. You will probably think that my treatment of your additions to the Ironworks article is cruel - I have reverted all your changes. The problem is that that article is specifically intended not to contain detail. When I began editing a variety of articles on the history of the iron industry, there were a wide variety of articles covering much the smae ground. I have spent a lot of time tidying this up. The right place for the material that you added is in the articles on Henry Cort, and puddling furnaces. If you have soemthing useful to add to these, by all measn do so. Reverting is normally what is done where there is vandalism. I am not accusing you of that, merely of being misguided. You will still be able to access what you wrote via the History page of the article. Peterkingiron 23:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Peter King for pointing this out to me I appeciate your comments and thank you for them, there was no intention to undermine any other work in the article but to add to it. I realise that there are people with a greater knowledge on the subject than I have, but free wikipedia is open to all those who feel that they can contribute. And what I added was in the understanding of this. It did occur to me that Henry Cort played a major roll in the developing the fining of iron in the 18th century I trust you will not have forgotten this in your contributions to the ironmoner trade. Malcolmlow 16:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Peter no offense has been taken and I can now apreciate your concern over my article. As I understand it Henry Corts work was taken up by other Iron manufacturers and the process developed from there. But that is enough of HC, my kindest regards Malcolm Low 15:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Duncan Campbell (revivalist)

Done, though only an admin can actually close the AfD, I'd say you have nothing to worry about since consensus is keep, nonetheless I've withdraw my vote to delete.ornis 00:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

That's fine

I thought the section looked so tiny that it needed something, anything! Kind of like the Germany section, which does not even have a sentence.--PericlesofAthens 17:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Gallery of coats of arms of English counties

Hello Peterkingiron. I'd like to ask you to revisit and consider modifying your stated stance. Your stance, at the moment, encourages keeping the article based on restoration of the images. Restoration of the images is not possible as this violates Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy and our policy at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. The question on this AfD is not whether to restore the images; they can not be. The question is should this article remain given that 80% of its images are gone. It is supposed to be a gallery of such images, yet can only display 20% of them; a completely hamstrung article. Thank you for your consideration, --Durin 12:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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hello

Hello Peterkingiron,

I am a new user on Wikipedia. I just contributed my first article titled “Seam types” that explains a few different seam types used in the apparel manufacturing industry. I noticed you mentioned that you strayed from the history of the iron industry to other subjects. I was wondering if you have any knowledge on this topic or any advice on how I can improve my article.

I appreciate your time and hope to hear back.

Thank you, Snap pea 05:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Snap_PeaSnap pea 05:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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A good start

Hello Again,

Thank you for your advise. I think I've fixed the citation of the book, however I was unclear what you meant by more details on the other sources. Also, I tried to creat a "See also" section, but I was not able to get a blue box around my words. I know it's silly, but do you know how to do that?


Thank you again for your help,

Snap pea 01:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)Snap_PeaSnap pea 01:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


Wilson yarn cleaner

I actually know nothing about yarn cleaners, and only a bit about the mechanized process of making yarn, though I know all about doing so by hand. I've done a spellcheck on the article, and I can start trying to wikify it, but other than that I'm not sure what to do with it. Loggie 22:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I think asking the author is probably best- since neither of us know about this. The author appears to be Pwilon. Loggie 22:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

Your comments at Talk:Navigation Acts are frankly risible. You clealy have not the first idea of what constitutes vandalism. Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism before making such attacks again. Tim! 21:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

ironfurnaces.com

Greetings. I would just like to introduce you to my site, ironfurnaces.com, that is dedicated to cataloging all of the historic iron furnaces around the world (no matter how little content is available). I do not take information from places to put it on my site, instead I would rather have people come and put information on there themselves. I invite you to become an editor on the site and load some photos and a brief history if you would like. This site is completely free to use or edit and contains no advertisement or pop-ups of any kind. (And uses the Wikimedia software.) Rhammond 10:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Surnames

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Education for Ministry

Hi. It gets 34,000 Ghits, so I'm certain there are WP:RS. Bearian'sBooties 04:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

coningsby club

I would be very willing to defend the article if there were any actual substantial references to it. i here were distinguished members over the last 85 years, there ought to have been mentions in published biographies at least--we did succeed in keeping a few other Oxbridge clubs on that basis but you're in a better position to find them than I am. DGG (talk) 21:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrought Iron

Hey Peterkingiron...I'll admit that I feel a little attacked by your comment, just because unbeknownst to you I have done a large amount of research over the last few weeks and now someone who seems to have only a few edits. When I first approached this page those few weeks ago searching for answers, I found the page in a dissarray. It had almost no sources and was laid out in a very poor fashion. So I started researching a little and ended up finding myself much deeper into the subject of wrought iron that I had anticipated. However, this was because I couldn't find good answers to the contradictions present on the page. The largest contradiction being that there were two puddling sections claiming two different things; it was unclear that a reverbratory furnace is the same thing as a puddling furnace (at least in this context), etc. Moreover it listed the puddling process in both the history section and the modern process section (huh?!?). There was a lot of unneeded information regarding the history of bloomeries and blast furnaces which was already present in each of their own articles and to a much better extent.

I will not claim that I've made the article perfect or even good. However, I feel that I've modified and pushed into a direction and place where it can more easily be made into a good article. I realize that a big part of the process is the chemistry involving the oxidation of impurities and the consolidation of silicone into slag, however, that's not my thing, and I more than welcome you or other to add that. But please note that I never removed any information pertaining to that, it was missing before I touched this article.

I will admit that despite my research I don't 100% fully grasp the shingling (is the forging process I laid out in the history section really just shingling, but called a different name by my sources?) and rolling section (all but my 1850s source glosses over it). But again I only added what little I had in my sources and you are more than welcome to add to it.

I would much rather work on this article together and capture the synergy then butt heads. So please do not take this as an attack either, but rather an explanation of my motives and a peek into my POV. Wizard191 (talk) 23:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't get your two notes until this afternoon...so first I would like to wish you a Happy New Years as well. I hope it was a good one for you...
As for the article is looks great. You are correct about my one source (engineering to win) it seems to have been quite faulty. I used it because I liked how the author explained wrought iron production to be a cut and dry simple thing, however from all of the information you have added obviously him and I were wrong. Despite the fact that I may have taken a step back I think that through your help we have made this article much better. I agree that the puddling section is a little too big, so I will go in today and summarize it better and carry the extra info into the puddling article. I also want to go in and clean up the aston process a little so that it follows the layout of the rest of the article. --Wizard191 (talk) 20:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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Convention centres in India

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Convention centres in India, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Convention centres in India. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 09:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Peterkingiron, as Convention centres in India was simply a long list of business contact addresses and emails, I have speedily deleted it under criteria G11. Marasmusine (talk) 10:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Puddling

I want to add a lot of info about puddling and reverbratory furnaces to the puddling article from this source [1] pages 254-333, as it seem to me to be a good source. Seeing how you seem to the the local guy to for this department of information and have recently been going through and cleaning up my edits, I would rather not do a massive amount of work just to have you come in and show it wrong. So I'm here coming for your approval of this source. Thanks! --Wizard191 (talk) 02:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wealden Iron Industry

Hi, I saw you comment on the talk page. If there are better sources to use then they are the ones to use. Perhaps you might care to take a look at thr River Medway article and those on the tributaries linked from there. I've been putting in all the water powered sites (over 200) including furnaces and forges. There may be a few that I've missed though! Mjroots (talk) 12:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I've checked Primary research and Secondary research and am OK, what I've been doing isn't primary research! My main interest in mills lies outside the iron industry, being mainly concerned with corn milling, although if it is worked by wind, water or animal then I have an interest! Mjroots (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks Peter, thought I was doing something wrong for a second there! Happy editing! Mjroots (talk) 17:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

ballet categories

Thank you for putting the note to the closing admin. at the bottom of the ABT dancers item. I stuck a "see also" at the top of each of the four -- ABT and NYCB dancers, Ballets Russes (and Ballet Russe de Monte Carlo) choreographers, and NYCB rep. -- calling attention to the other three. Robert Greer (talk) 11:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ecclesiastical parish

Hi Pete I have just seen your comment on the article above. I have deliberately called it by the name it had originally since I think it is a pity it was ever changed. There are two types of parish, and separate article for each seems to me to make sense. In fact I have been putting "Ecclesiatical parish as a link on a great many village article recently, unaware that it had been moved. I have commented on the Wiki church project site too Peter Shearan (talk) 08:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Partial solution

  1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor#Edit_conflicts ... I'm afraid it's yet another 'case of priority' over nice to haves on the shoe string budget of a Non-profit corporation with limited employees and assets... except for volunteers, who pay the labor costs freely. Bottom line, economically, Wikipedia is pretty insignificant and always strapped to afford rapid or "nice" changes.
  2. The other tip I can give, is to keep a text page open on the local HDD... which I entitle "rolling notes", usually date coded, as for example my current file: "2008-01-week-3 rolling notes.txt". The page is a scratch paper combined with log book I use to record anything and everything I may want or need to refer back to, including excerpts and such. Working and Xfd page, I'd normally add something like:
# http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Peterkingiron&action=edit&section=new
## MY COMMENTS and VOTE ON so and so... or a brief synopsis of same
(My running list is organized so I can at need paste it into a wikipedia /tmp page and see rendered text at need, hence the #, ## prefixing.)

... so I'd have a quick note to re-grab the cut and paste buffer, if I didn't already do that by habit. I backup a lot in my editing anyway, so restarting the edit section is usually the easiest for me.

Best wishes // FrankB 18:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Military History Naming Conventions

Could you open a discussion on the WP:WikiProject Military history discussion page about naming conventions? The "Categories for discussion" entry has been closed. BradMajors (talk) 20:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Turnpike Trusts

Hi Peter I have made the edits directly into the page and inserted pics. The references still need tidying but have I abided by the convensions so far? I did think of culling the Rebecca riots and the trivia but thought I should not remove any topics on my edit (A.rosevear (talk) 14:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC))

Deletion discussion for Category:Prima donnas

Hi, you recently participated in the re-naming discussion to change Category:Divas to Category:Prima donnas. [2] Category:Prima donnas has now been proposed for deletion. You might want to comment on the new discussion page [3]. Best wishes,Voceditenore (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Source of the river of Svijaga

I have commented on the points of view expressed in this AfD on the above page, and explained my actions. Whilst the nominations were made in good faith, they were not necessarily made with sufficient understanding. As I have read more and more policies, my over-zealousness has decreased and I am looking more to article improvement from Recent Changes than deletion. My apologies for this AfD, which I am trying to have withdrawn. Any other comments you might have, please comment on my talk page. best wishes - Fritzpoll (talk) 17:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words - I definitely see that it is better to try to improve the articles or at least tag them for improvement, or otherwise notify the original author of how they might improve the article, if I can't do it myself. Best wishes - Fritzpoll (talk) 17:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable bible divisions

Hello. On a recent AfD, you commented that articles written on a chapter-by-chapter, verse-by-verse, or lection-by-lection, basis about the bible was not necessarily the best way to break up the subject matter.

I have proposed a guideline about this - at Wikipedia:Organisation of Bible articles, and I wonder if you would like to comment on it.

Clinkophonist (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Textile arts project and portal

Hi Peter, I saw your comment in stuff (cloth). Wikipedia:WikiProject Textile Arts is working to upgrade Portal_talk:Textile_Arts/Selected_biography#Biographies, revisited|biographies to add to our portal, and several candidates are figures of the industrial revolution. If this is something you'd be interested in working on, we'd love to have you join us. - PKM (talk) 01:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Foley, 2nd Baron Foley

I took the liberty of moving this stub. The dates of birth and death are not typically included in the title of articles. Bearian (talk) 20:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it back, since there were 2 people named "Thomas Foley, 2nd Baron Foley". Choess (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that! Bearian (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Persecution by all religion

What will be your view on Religious persecution by Hindus? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Foleys et al.

Peter,

It's been a pleasure seeing so many MP stubs go online, and I'm happy to help get them formatted, although you're picking up the baroque intricacies of the category system etc. quite nicely. I have found two other members of the family who entered Parliament but don't have articles yet. Robert Foley (c.1651–1702) was the son of Robert (d. 1676) and grandson of Richard Foley, representing the rotten borough of Grampound from 1685 to 1689. Paul Foley (1688–1734) was the younger son of Philip Foley, and sat for Aldborough and Weobley.

If you're curious as to what I do when not wikignoming obscuring MPs, see Nittany Furnace as an example. Choess (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sir John Pakington, (KB)

Hello. There was already an article for this person incorrectly located at Sir John Packington. I suggest we move this article to John Pakington (d. 1625) and incorporate your information into it (it's also in dire need of a cleanup, he wasn't a baronet for a start and it's hardly likely that he received the translation of a French treatise in 1640 as he died in 1625). Your article should then be made into a redirect. I think we should also create a disambiguation page of "John Pakington". Please let me know your thoughts (you can answer here if you like). Regards, Tryde (talk) 12:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Just be aware that it's not very popular to make cut-and-paste moves on Wikipedia. The correct approach here would have been to move "Sir John Packington" to the new article name. This way the previous editing history would be included. Tryde (talk) 05:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Whittington Castle

I am responding here to your last message about the above, becasue I think I have identified a wider problem. There seem to be sufficient articles about Welsh principalities, but very little about their successors, marcher lordships. It may be possible to approach this by producing more detailed histories of their castles, together with lists of their lords, as i have done with Baron FitzWarin and Baron Mortimer. Can you help, or do you know how to get people together to tackle this? A start might be to produce a list of lordships and the families that owned them. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I can probably help a bit. And I know that probably the most pertinent thing to do to start such a project is to create a WikiProject, or possibly just a task force. I'll join and help when I am able; keep me up to date. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for more information. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 00:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Tape wire

Hi. I'm confused about your message on my talk page as to why I have to create a page for tape wire. It is very common to add links for people to start articles, and the article on wire is clearly missing mention of tape wire, an extremely common type of wire. Information on tape wire can be found by Googling. It is very common. Best. Wakablogger2 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up to your message. Thank you for the follow-up. Wikipedia has a strict policy against people creating articles they are not experts/well versed in. I am NOT well versed in tape wire, but it is an important category, so I added a link.

It is VERY common to create links without creating pages. They are all over Wikipedia as invitations for people to create pages.

I will continue to monitor the wire page to ensure the link stays there because tape wire is very common and a page should be created by someone who is FAMILIAR with it. Wakablogger2 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Burke's

Newer editions are very much preferred. See J.H. Round's violent attacks on Burke's, around the turn of the century, for uncritically accepting erroneous or fabulous pedigrees of noble families. 20th Century and later editions can, however, probably be considered reliable. Choess (talk) 00:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Darryl Lundy's work at thepeerage.com is distinctly a work in progress; absence of evidence there should not be taken as evidence of absence. Regarding a different topic: I noticed your AfD on William de la Pole the Elder. If I understand correctly:
  1. Sir William de la Pole, son of Owen, did exist, but predeceased his brother Griffith without issue, and no details are known of his life.
  2. The ancestry of William de la Pole (of Hull) is not known with any certainty.
Since 1 is not really notable and 2 cannot be documented, deletion is appropriate. Have I summed up more or less correctly? Choess (talk) 00:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Not sure if he existed: I have not seen the evidence, but probably NN and no descendants.
  2. confirmed: certainly NN, as far as we have evidence. However, the real point is that no one has provided any evidence that they were the same person: they probably merely had the same name. This is an example of the "fabulous pedigrees" of which you warned me. It seems to me to be at the level of hoax, but I cannot rule out that the original author did in fact have evidence: I posted a note on his talk page. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
And would you check the second-to-last sentence in William de la Pole (of Mawddwy)? There seems to be a lacuna there. Choess (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Will check it: this started life as an attempt to edit William de la Pole the Elder, but I realised that I was changing it into an article on an uncle of the alleged subject. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Specifically, "Sir William in this lordship by his Gruffydd (who was of age in 1319), his son another William, and his son John." doesn't make much sense. Choess (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, could you clarify whether the writ of summons in 1366 was for William de la Pole or for his son Michael de la Pole? I'm inclined to believe the latter. Choess (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Wealden Iron Industry

Many months ago you requested a review on the Wealden iron industry article via the Sussex project. Unfortunately, that project has been a bit dormant but I am trying to revive it. I have made a few comments on how the article could be improved. I hope you can spare the time to have a look and see what can be done. Thanks MortimerCat (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Pillars of the Church

I have begun entering major references to this article. Thank you for the warning. John D. Croft (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cohors II Gallorum

Hi. Thanks for your support. Frankly, I regard this deletion proposal as absurd. This article is just a small part of the overall project I have set myself of providing Wikipedia with comprehensive coverage of the topic of Roman auxiliaries. To that end, I have already created the main articles Roman auxiliaries and List of Roman auxiliary regiments. is intended as the the first of individual entries for all 400+ known Roman auxiliary regiments, each linked to the List article (in the same way as each Roman legion has an individual article). No sooner did I complete it, than someone slaps a deletion notice on it, without even the courtesy of discussing it with me first. He then takes a phrase from my response out of its context and uses it to support his own argument. When I said there is nothing special about this unit, I meant sinply that it is one out of the 400 that need a biography.

I can see absolutely no valid reason why this article should not stand as it is. It concerns a historic military unit, it is properly referenced to a reputable academic source and it is my own words so there is no copyright infringement. Well, let's hope that commonsense prevails and that I can get on with finishing this project: you would think the administrators would thank me for it, rather than try to obstruct it! Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. You're right, the evidence for most of these regiments is very limited, sometimes just a few inscriptions on tombstones and the like. But I do not see why an article cannot be a very short one, if that is all the available evidence justifies. In the case of Cohors II Gallorum veterana equitata, Spaul has two pages of data and discussion, but much of it is technical detail or speculative. The brief biography of the unit I have included pretty much summarises what is known with certainty. So it's not just a stub, it's the whole deal, at least until new evidence comes to light. Regards EraNavigator (talk) 22:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for the assistance. Regards EraNavigator (talk) 08:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Roman auxiliary regiments

Hi. I've completed a dozen or so entries. I would appreciate your views on the format and content. You can find clickable links on List of Roman auxiliary regiments. Cohors I Raetorum gives a good idea with the often thorny unit identification problems involved. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 10:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Having done 25 or so regiments, I have come to the conclusion that the available evidence is mostly too thin to support individual entries for each regiment: often just one short paragraph can cover it. I therefore propose to combine all the regiments for each tribal name into one article. As an example for discussion, I have done that for all the cohortes Raetorum. Please see Raetorum auxiliary cohorts. What do you think? Regards EraNavigator (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your intervention in Raetorum auxiliary cohorts. But it misses the point of what I'm trying to do. Maybe I didn't explain clearly above: the purpose of the tabulation of all Raetorum regiments is to replace the individual articles on each cohort, not to act as an index to them (the index is the general article List of Roman auxiliary regiments). The tabulation contains all the useful information contained in the individual articles. The idea is that now the common Raetorum article is done, the individual cohort Raetorum articles should be deleted. I do not propose to write any more individual articles, just more common articles. Vale EraNavigator (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Robert Cecil (reply)

(Just back to my computer with coffee in hand) You got it right in your message. I spotted the page on New Pages and I added categories before a roving bot tagged it as uncategorized. Sorry if I caused any problems, although I can't see any now; to be honest, I thought you might have called it a night and were planning to come back to the article later. Cheers.... FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC) (reply) Actually I did manage to make a right hames of the stub and category, all right, - and I really should have spotted my gaffe on the Great Britain v. England / pre and post 1707 categories and stubs as I have done enough categorizing in those areas in my time. (Hence the much needed cup of coffee.) This is normally why I don't do much more than essential maintenance work on new pages while I am there, and do the categorizing of the uncategorized in a seperate less-hurried session of editing. Oh well ;O) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Auditors of the imprest

Might a complete list be in Sainty's "Officers of the Exchequer," (List and Index Soc. spec. ser. 18)? I can look at it the next time I go into the city. Choess (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I have copies the relaevant material this morning and am inserting it now. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Auditor of the imprests

Updated DYK query On 13 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Auditor of the imprests, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Tinucherian has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing! .... Hope you have forgiven my immature behaviour during this some time ago... Keep in touch -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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Wikiproject Mills

I've had to revise the proposal, project will now cover Windmills only. This is due to rules about wikiprojects/articles/categories. I suspect you'd be more interested in watermills and won't be offended if you wish to withdraw from this one. Am doing windmills first as likely to get better support for this. WikiProject Watermills can be formed at a later date. Mjroots (talk) 18:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Peter, if I ever get a watermills wikiproject running, it will include trip hammers, bellows and the like that were driven at forges and bloomeries. As far as I know, there is no recorded use of wind power in association with the Wealden iron industry. Mjroots (talk) 19:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The original proposal has been reinstated, seems that WP Mills would not break any rules after all, and there's no reason not to cover the whole subject. Mjroots (talk) 14:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Of course water powered saw mills (like Gunton, Norfolk) would be covered. Steam is a bit tricky, as the first steam mill was built in 1786!. If you mean the huge roller mills found at major docks like Southampton, Hull etc., then maybe not those, but I wouldn't stop anyone writing an article if they wished. Small country steam mills with millstones (e.g. Nedging, Suffolk) should be included though.

Re:260 in Ireland

Wasn't around to respond to your comment, but quotation was from the Annals of Ulster. The late medieval Irish (with words of English and Latin) is Bas Oiter Pendragen regis Anglie cui sucsessit filius suus, .i. Cingh Arrtur, .i. do orrdaig an bord cruinn., which brings forth clearly why people who don't know about this stuff really really ought to stay away from it and any other primary sources they don't understand. ;) Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 02:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't have much time here, but just to say it's a tad more complicated than that. One really ought to leave Irish sources, esp. this early, alone unless one understands them. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

DRV of Category:British occupations

As a participant in the discussion, you may be interested in the Deletion Review that has been listed regarding my closure of the discussion as "no consensus". Regards, BencherliteTalk 23:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Foley (politician)

Thomas Foley (politician) has been protected from re-creation, per your request. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

HOLD ON

Hi, last time I made a big statement on why not to delete Siege of Ecbatana, go on the page where people discuss if it should be deleted or not, and I wrote and gave some sources and other info to how it nearly resembles the Siege of the Sogdian Rock in Alexanders battles, which the Sogdians just surrendered to him, and no actual fighting to place, I think the issue of how some users pay less attention or ignore the issues I raise on Wikipedia should be addressed to the administraters. More and more users are flip flopping, or deleting or merging articles when other articles are worse, and not paying attention to the other articles(like siege of the sogdian rock) that need more attention than the Persian Revolt. Like I said to Dougweller, I need almost 2 weeks of sourcing and expanding my articles. But it seems that no one cares. There was 7/11 people that were in favor of either KEEPING OR RENAMING the Siege of Ecbatana. But it got deleted. AND IT DID HAVE SOME TEXT, AND PROMISED TO BE EXPANDED UPON WHEN DELETED! And the other articles that I have created in the Persian Revolt have allot of info I can get on the net. So I pray you and other users give a little bit more thought before DESTROYING or MERGING my work!--Ariobarza (talk) 23:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Italian Mare Nostrum

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please advise

some robot has deleted a perfectly good category that I made a few months ago, Bateman's Great Landowners (1883). John Bateman's book is a masterwork, but apparently not to the puritan, ignorant, socialist, and time wasting gnomes that control the animus that is wikipedia.Rodolph (talk) 11:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you so much! That's a very kind explanation you put on my Talk Page. I'll re-present the deleted category in due course with a Wiki stub-page for Bateman, and an explanation of the Government work (a new 'Domesday' book) from which Bateman cribbed his facts. I'll scour his book to maximise the number of 1860s/7s0/80s Wiki-listed folk in the category, thus, and while cross-referencing within their articles, as you say, hope to justify and anchor it.
(1883 was the date cited, (yes rather clumsily), only because it was the date of the last, and thus most comprehensive, edition of Bateman's digest).Rodolph (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Pagemove process

Yo Peter, please update the links here to the new David_Watson_(anarchist) article and remove the {{orphan}} tag. Thanks, Skomorokh 16:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Robert Heriot Barclay

I hope you are not offended by my perhaps rather curt reversion of your edit regarding this officer's rank at the time of the Battle of Lake Erie. You are correct in that Barclay's formal confirmation of his promotion to Commander took place after the battle. However, the process, as it usually took place was that the Commander-in-Chief of a station (in this case, Admiral Sir John Borlase Warren, commanding at Halifax, Nova Scotia) might have to promote officers urgently, for instance to replace casualties or to take command of new or captured ships. This would be forwarded to the Admiralty for confirmation. The Admiralty would be most unlikely to object, but might well impose bureaucratic delays. The usual reason was that the Royal Navy was authorised an establishment of a certain number of officers of a particular rank. The Commander-in-Chief's recommendation would exceed this establishment, so the formal confirmation of promotion might have to wait for a vacancy in the establishment to occur, as officers were promoted, died, or went on permanent half pay. In the interim however, the officer would be "acting" in his new rank to all intents and purposes. He would hold suitable commands or appointments, and would be referred to by his higher rank by his subordinates, peers and superiors. So, the acting rank would be the correct one to use (in my humble opinion, of course). However, all sources and histories, almost without exception, consistently refer to Commander Barclay. HLGallon (talk) 06:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops! Further to my last, a lot of sources refer to Captain Barclay. However, the title of Captain was by courtesy only; there was a substantial difference between a post-Captain and a "Master and Commander". HLGallon (talk) 06:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Revist?

When you get a chance, would you stop by Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 August 7#Category:LGBT actors from Germany for a comment I left for you there? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

AFD Revisit

Please revisit Stoney Point Airfield and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stoney Point Airfield. The article has gone through expansion and additional sources have been added. Thank you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Italian Empire related AfD

Hi there - input would be appreciated at this Italian Empire related AfD [16]. Thanks The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

'Russians in Estonia' vs 'Estonian Russians'

How s it going? Peterkingiron, I just wanted to say that I hate myself for opposing with you on this one - you ve given great support with changing cat pages over to 'Fooians of Booian descent'. Actually, I m still somewhat on the fence, although the comments I made in response to your comments on the Cats for discussion page don t indicate it - would most ethnic Russians in Estonia have Estonian citizenship / right to permanent abode, or just reside there in a legally ill/un-defined manner? Mayumashu (talk) 03:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality Tag

Hello,

I have added a tag to the Barack Obama article requesting that it be checked for neutrality. I thought you might be interesting in coming in as a neutral editor and checking the article out. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

New Welcome Lodge

There may be a deletion review on New Welcome Lodge pending, User_talk:MSJapan#Re:_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FNew_Welcome_Lodge. JASpencer (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Royal Descendants

You said in your comment on the line of succession to the British throne that lists of royal descendants have been deleted in the past. Can you point me in the direction of any precedents on this? PatGallacher (talk) 20:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello Peter, as we were both involved in the AFD on David C. C. Watson, I thought you might be interested to look at Biblical Creation Society which I just created. It's not meant to be either promotional or derogatory but neutral and descriptive, including sources that establish notability. Have I succeeded? Please let me have any criticisms or suggestions for improvement. RSVP here if you like. Kind regards, Fayenatic (talk) 22:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

Hi,

As a regularly contributing UK Wikipedian, we were wondering if you wanted to contribute to the Oxford bid to host the 2010 Wikimania conference. Please see here for details of how to get involved, we need all the help we can get if we are to put in a compelling bid.

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You may also wish to attend the next London meet-up at which both of these issues will be discussed. If you can't attend this meetup, you may want to watch Wikipedia:Meetup, for updates on future meets.

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and we send our apologies for this automated intrusion onto your talk page!

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PMG table

I see that you inserted the table for the office holders of the Postmaster General of the United Kingdom, so I presume you have experience with tables. I added a few earlier PMGs today but was unable to combine the entries for "Edward Carteret" without messing up the table. If you could fix it that would be appreciated. BTW, is it possible to remove the narrow cells in front of each entry. I don't see that it serves any useful purpose. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 17:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Well done. The syntax you needed was: |rowspan="3". I modelled the table on those used for MP lists for constitutencies, where the narrow column is for a part colour. I hope this can be filled up one day, but the WP work on 18th cnetury party affiliations is in its infancy. This is for testing the assertion that each party nominated one PMG. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Welsh Marches

It strikes me that this article and related articles need a bit of a shake-up. To me, "Welsh Marches" is a general modern term which relates to the areas along the current border, as shown on the map, but what is really needed as well is a separate article on the "March of Wales" which existed roughly 1066-1536. I know you transferred a section on the medieval March to the Marcher Lord article some time ago. In my view, that could form the basis of a new article, with the remaining Marcher Lord article being a more general overview which also covers other parts of Europe. The proposed March of Wales article could also include a List of Marcher lordships which I think you also suggested. There's also a link Pura Wallia and Marchia Wallie which currently directs to an article specifically on Gwynedd and which needs to be developed. I'm no expert, but I am reading a new book, The March of Wales 1067-1300 by Max Lieberman, which I could use to help put something together, along with other sources. What do you think? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll add it to my "to do" list, and also raise it on a couple of the article talk pages to see if others have a view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasilla Bible Church, Wasilla Assembly of God, Larry Kroon, and Ed Kalnins

I am the Original Poster. I also asked that Wasilla Assembly of God, Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, and Ed Kalnins articles be put back up for continued contributions. All four articvle were evolving information in completely different ways. The DELETE recommendations on all four articles aside, Larry Kroonand Wasilla Bible Church are getting coverage in the Israeli press, while Ed Kalnins and Wasilla Assembly of God are not, because they ARE NOTABLE, but for DIFFERENT reasons, while both have the SAME relationship to Palin's. This should establish they are notable for more than their simp;e relationship to Palin as her pastor. There is also a third Sarah Palin pastor, who is most often quoted in the major news media, but not notable on his own as far as I know. I seem to be losing the notability argument here, but winning it via the international press.

  • The videotapes of speaking in toungues and video sermons previously available at the two different kinds of churches may be back up before this is deleted again. At least there might be a redirect from Kroon to his church, and from Kalnins to his church page.

Since I am the Original Poster on all four, maybe you could ask Seicer with better results than mine.EricDiesel (talk) 00:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It is only my third day here so I apologize for my mistakes. After reading policies here, I agree that Sarah Palin's Pastor should not be an article. Consensus is changing towards KEEP on Wasilla Assembly of God, incuding by the original DELETE people.

  • Wasilla Bible Church, Ed Kalnins, and Larry Kroon now send you to Sarah Palin, which is totally wrong. Wasilla Bible Church is notable for David Brickner. Furthermore, as Ed Kalnins has made highly controversial remarks now reported in hundreds of media reports, it would be unfair to Wikipedia users not to have access to the remarks, and unfair to Sarah Palin for this guy to be linked to her to see the remarks in the media, when she did not make them, and we do not even know if she was in the church when they were made. I am no Sarah Palin fan (I believe in evolution and global warming... and that the earth orbits the sun) but until the remarks can be tied to Palin, Kalnins should have his own article with the remarks. I guess I have absorbed enough WIki neutraility in just three days that I am actually spending time defending fairness for Palin!

1. Does your the deletion review request ask that articles for Wasilla Bible Church, Ed Kalnins, and Larry Kroon be restored? Especially Wasilla Bible Church, which should be linked to anti Semite David Brickner and Jews for Jesus, not only Sarah Palin. I don't really yet understand the effect of your deletion review request, and why the links still go to Palin. EricDiesel (talk) 10:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Pathetic. It wasn't for "US party political reasons" and there is no indication in my editing history (which is quite extensive) that I am biased towards one party or another. Your stupid rationale that I am a pawn for the Democratic party is pretty lame and reeks of bad faith, and I am not restoring the pages based on recent discussions on my talk page and elsewhere, that it may be more appropriate to delete (and salt) and/or redirect. I've not replied to EricDiesel's more recent comments because they indicate that I am doing this for political reasons, among other things, so I'm not going to give him the pleasure of replying.

Want to discuss this? Come at me with something more than bullshit. Quite frankly, I don't respond very well to accusations of this type, so it'd be nice if you'd retract those comments. I'd be more than happy to discuss this, but not under the current pretense. seicer | talk | contribs 17:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Info not allowed lon churches

An article on Wasills Bible Church are not being allowed by a few. Wasills Bible Church redirects to Wasilla. There are huge Jewish reactions to the copntent of the Jews for Jesus co partnership with Wasills Bible Church, but it is not allowed anywhere. When info is posted, say about the ABC News story on Wasilla Assembly of God's web page shutdaown, or Iranian News stories about sermons given there, they are auto deleted by the editor who recommended the artricle be deleted. The news stories have NOTHING to do with Sarah Palin, os it doesn't belong there, the articles on the pastors are closed, so it doesn't go there, one person auto deletes any info on the Wasills Bible Church article. So where can the info from the over 600 international news stories go? I am new to Wiki. Why all the attempts to block info on these two churches, but not on any other ones? Is there a rational higher up person who can resolve this? ThnxEricDiesel (talk) 05:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

David Brickner

I hear of Brickner years ago, on the cable news, from Jewish friends, and whenever he blames Jews, for failure to convert to Christ, every time there is a widely covered or bizzarely cruel terror attack in Israel. There is lots of stuff on this on the web, but the huge majority of it is on blogs responding to cable news coverage, making it hard to find a source document generating the blogs. The main problem is that most coverage is on broadcast news, since they superimpose Brickner's remarks on gruesome images of the terror attack, for shock value, and there is no transcript online for the broadcast. I am sticking this comment on discussion page for Brickner. I saw your question on my "mywatchlist' section, with an "m" before it. What does "m" indicate? Thnx EricDiesel (talk) 17:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

British Raj/British India

Sorry, didn't see your comment. Please reply to my question at the RfC discussion. Thnx. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

No trouble

I checked Special:WhatLinksHere/Henry Rolle and disambiguated two links relating to the later Lord Rolle sitting as MP for Devon. Those probably weren't placed by you, though. Hope everything is well with you—I'm busy teaching this semester and have less time for Wikipedia than I'd like, but I'm trying to slowly mine the History of Parliament Trust volumes I can access. Choess (talk) 14:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Tinplate

Hi, I don't agree with your statement that my edit was misguided. Tinplate is not currently made by rolling iron. This part of the article was talking about the present tense. I do however agree with your edit of "formally iron" Canol (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Delete and Salt Competition Cams

I understand that you just posted that Competition cams wasn't a notable company, but at the same time I just posted more proof against that claim. Please go back and look at the post directly above yours on the above-mentioned AfD page. Thank you.--Jabarke1 (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I have rewritten almost all of the Competition Cams Article. I invite you to share with the other editors this information and re-evaluate your votes.--Jabarke1 (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Peterkingiron, I truly appreciate your open-mindedness and patience with my article, as this one is my first. Being that it is my first article, it was very much a learning experience. I am also grateful for your advice, and I would have appreciated if the other veteran editors had been so kind. Thanks again.--Jabarke1 (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Watchlisting

I wonder if you would consider adding six low-importance articles to your watch list. As you can see, the subject matter is obscure; and each are obliquely related to metals production. In each case, I anticipate very little to no development in the foreseeable future; but I have a vague notion that your background makes it likely that the slow evolution of each article might be constructively enhanced by your invovlement. This is just a plausible thought, nothing more. I'm only suggesting that you add the following to your watchlist, nothing more:

  1. National Institute for Materials Science (NIMS)
  2. Kinza (gold monopoly)
  3. Ginza (silver monopoly)
  4. Dōza (copper monopoly)
  5. Shuza (cinnabar monopoly)
  6. Iwami Ginzan Silver Mine

At this point, there is no pressing reason for you to scan the following, but I offer these bullets as context:

  • Kinza (金座) - Gold za or monopoly office (post-1595).[1]
  • Ginza (銀座) - Silver za or monopoly office (post-1598).[1]

That you for your time and consideration of this curiously non-standard inquiry. --Tenmei (talk) 15:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was a bit of a stretch ... but please allow me to thank you again for the time and thought you were so kind to invest in considering this mistaken notion. --Tenmei (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

map

The map in Rhwng Gwy a Hafren has been updated. Thanks for finding my error. Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Archive

I would recommend archiving your talk page. It is getting pretty long. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line 16:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

  1. ^ a b c Jansen, Marius. (1995). Warrior Rule in Japan, p. 186; Schaede, Ulrike. (2000). Cooperative Capitalism: Self-Regulation, Trade Associations, and the Antimonopoly Law in Japan, p. 223.
  2. ^ Shimada, Ryuto. (2005). The Intra-Asian Trade in Japanese Copper by the Dutch East India Company, p. 51.
  3. ^ Takekoshi, Yosaburo. (1930). The economic aspects of the history of the civilization of Japan, p. 238.
  4. ^ The Yomiuri Shimbun, "Iwami picked as World Heritage site" June 2007
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