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please have a look at articals related to indian defence forces/system, all are suffering large scale disguised vandalism n misinformation with referances from pakistan based news networks. how can referances from pakistani newsnetwork be taken as neutral n correct about indian topics whn all those referances clearly sounds anti-india? I request you(as you are wiki-india project user with interest in india military) to please have a look at it n correct it with neutral referances. (Sushilkumarmishra(talk) 12:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC))

WikiProject India Newsletter, Volume IV, Issue 1 – June 2009

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Tirunelveli

You may cite the source, where it says that Tirunelveli is the Oxford of South India. Also please give a reputed source where it says, Tirunelveli is most suited for IT companies. This article contains lot of statements which are not supported by reputed sources hence unverifiable —Preceding unsigned comment added bySarvagyana guru (talk •contribs) 09:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Content needs sources, Wikipedia is not a directory

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing areliable source, as you did toWikipedia in culture, is not consistent with our policy ofverifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar withWikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article.Thank you.-- The Red Pen of Doom23:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom

Please do not leave template warnings for actions that did not occur, as you did on the talk page above. It sends a message to other users that does not reflect what actually happened. Try leaving a diff for other editors to judge for themselves. Alastairward (talk) 06:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

well....i didnt use ta template for something tht never happened , i felt tht info as needed & as valuable & hence i left a note to the member to not to remove infos .

 Doctor muthu's muthu  wanna talk ?06:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

That's not the point, the edit TRPOD made was clearly not a test edit and should not have been labelled as such. Alastairward (talk) 07:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

attn audio driver .

Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio —Preceding unsigned comment added by89.178.37.120 (talk) 18:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter, Volume IV, Issue 2 – July 2009

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Oops, sorry

You are entirely correct, A.R. Rahman is indeed an Oscar winner; my research was sloppy. Please don't be offended (this is intended as friendly, good-natured humor) but I couldn't help chuckling about how many refs you added to back up your point. Since I willingly concede that you are correct, perhaps we might agree to reduce the number of refs on that sentence; they aren't reallyall necessary. Understand that I was not attempting to slight the gentlemen, thus I added the quote from Time magazine to highlight his importance and recognition. I've noticed your work on other sections of the article and look forward to cooperating with you to improve it. Thanks for your time, Doc Tropics02:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

hi ! u havent offended me in any way ...well yep .i agree tht those were too many citation's.....just keep the bbc & any other tht u may wish to .....saw ur works & found tht u r many times good thn me ...me i come here ocassionaly tht too focus only in a few topics mostly ontamilnadu & its people .....sometimes i revert vandalism too but nowadays i dont do tht cuz of time issues ....sure i wish to cooperate with you .....& again i repeat "do as u wish cuz its a lot ref provided there " ...good luck.....--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}02:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the Barnstar DMM, that was really touching and it means a lot to me. I wish you the very best my friend! Keep up the good work yourself  : ) Doc Tropics 20:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

hi ! u r most welcome & u really deserve the barnstar . good luck....--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?} 17:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you help

In the "Historicity" section of the Tamil Sangams article we have a redlinked item, "Dravida Sangha". Since most readers, including myself, will have no idea what this is, I'm hoping that you might help provide a translation or explanation. In your opinion, is the term (or concept) important enough to merit an article, or should we just include a brief explanation in the current text? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! Doc Tropics 15:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

hi ! i suppose this "Dravida Sangha" is a part of the Tamil Sangams , buddy since our lang is very old & these sangams too are it's very hard for me like layman to provide any infos , though i have some knowledge in these stuffs those wont be enough to support the entire article based on tht ....you may just leave tht red link or you may remove the link is upto u ....may be some one will come to fix tht ....this sangam age is many times older thn the age of the presant india .....i really feel sorry for being not able to assist you . so my suggestion would be just write a few words from these ...i've no idea if they'll be of some help ...any way kep up ur good work ....good luck....--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}17:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts DMM, but don't feel bad! I appreciate your comments and will take a little time to consider and look for more info. You are exactly right that one of the hardest parts of editing these articles is for laymen to find reliable references on such an ancient subject. Thanks again and happy editing, Doc Tropics 18:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

ok ! good luck....--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}19:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

mullai periyar .

[i]shruti Prem closed JOKE THREAD ///// what is d joke in it??[/i] when they couldnt fight & win ta SC therzz nothing tht could be done here .... explaining ta ignorance has it's limit .....doesnt needs to repeat wht doesnt need to be & wht tht is already proved ....so when did SC & an expert dam examining panel's assessment become equal to IIT delhi like individual group's opinion's ?? ....then if IIT delhi is tht wise then why dont we print our national currency in their campus ?? & why do we need election commission to deal with election's ?? & we may settle all court case's under the IIT delhi itself ......why dont we shift our parliament to IIT delhi Campus ?? [red]1 : this case has been heard in the SC & all concluded 2 : tn has leased it's land for 999 year's starting frm 1886 .....no one gives anything for free .....if anyone want's to really fix this issue u r most welcome to the wiki.....will face & prove in wiki..... try this -http://www.cpiml.org/liberation/year_2007/January/mullaiperiyar_dam.html welcome to wiki ....will get u more.... =============this thread needs closing=============[/i] copy frm orkut . safe

“Uchi meethuvaanidindhuveezhyu kinra pothillumachamillai!!achamillai!!achchamenbadu illaye!!!”

"உச்சி மீது வானிடிந்து வீழுகின்றபோதில்லும் அச்சமில்லை !!அச்சமில்லை !!அச்சமென்பதில்லையே "

translation for those who seek

“Even when the sky crashesdown thundering,never we terrified”

How to select a country or a state?

Tamil Eelam has never been a physical entity. LTTE terrorists carried out a campaign but many Sri Lankan Tamils, who aspire to have an Ealam were against LTTE (Read about LTTE and how they killed other Tamil leaders). So what LTTE had was NOT Ealam. LTTE is no longer operate as a tangible organization; alomost all of its recognized leadership is wiped out and it is an ilegal organization to exsist!

Coming bakc to Tamil Eelam, it has no currency, no population, no land area and no identity. Some LTTE sympathizers try to present LTTE flag as the flag of Ealam!!! This is agaisnt many peaceful Sri Lankan Tamils. Before supporting a terrorist movement please do some resarch. I will remove all the unsuported such irrelevant sections on the article. Please provide references to support them or leave them removed.

Ranil —Precedingunsigned comment added by99.65.231.42 (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC) im seeing the article ta same way i see the other .... so those infos i the site may never show it wrong .....Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}22:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me for butting in here, but I'm getting pissed off at Ranil, and feel I must say something. We all hold our personal views. We are all entitled to our personal views. But I'm going to have an administrator look into your edits if this continues. You are not editing with neutrality, Ranil, which is a key point of being able to edit Wikipedia. True, somecountries call the LTTE terrorists. But certainly not all, not even the majority. So don't youdare start beaking off about them being terrorists, and somehow assuming everyone will agree with your biased edits about Tamil Eelam because of it. I've tried being civil about this, but you've crossed the line. Start editing neutrally, or shut the hell up. mnmazur  voicemail 

yep buddy ! ranil is performing an edit dispute & is trying to keep ta article to his tone .....this wont last longer ....soon i too will start to edit ta article in a large scale & his edits will follow & an edit freez may follow soon .....all i want is ta map of ealam back .....though im not a person from ealam i wish tht the article get's ta right it deserves ...before the article was looking like a disputed land ( which in reality is cuz still a lot people could be seen stressing for a separate land ) but now it looks like a tamil history article ..... this is wht i dont like ..... while all other such territories reserve their right to present their views ealam is prevented frm doing ta same ....i wnt stay shut longer ...soon will bring ta menace down ....Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}19:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Guys,

Sorry piss you off. Just tell me if you want to categorize a set of people with a subset, which gained a bad name, just because this usbset is shouting loud? I may sound bias because I pointed out this message. Please show me if I am wrong. I am always open to reasonable arguments and I hope everybody will appreciate sticking to wiki guidelines. Many LTTE propaganidsts have altered articles and they have no neutral sources to back up as they are the only ones you make certain claims. On the ther hand there are enough reliable sources to properly construct these articles. There are many good scholarly articles on Eelam, Tamil Eelam and Sri Lankan Tamils. Why someone wants to rely on LTTE biased articles? PLease answer this?

It is more 'civilized' to point out specifically what I am doing wrong than claiming ' I am pissed off'.

~~Ranil~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranilb5 (talk •contribs) 04:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

tamil in berkley .

http://tamil.berkeley.edu/Tamil%20Chair/TamilClassicalLanguage/TamilClassicalLgeLtr.html

Editing Tamil Eelam

I thought I shoud ask you not to delete without discussing. I saw you had reverted dozens of reviosions done based on discusses without any explaination. Now you make false claims as if I am the one who is doing this. Please discuss before reverting edits made based on discussion.

Equater (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)Equater

I moved that from your userpage abc518 (talk) 21:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahem, it was you, Equater, who deleted content from the article withthis edit, without any discussion. Pearl's sun was simply correcting this.--obi2canibe^talkcontr 15:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Pearll's sun. You have new messages at Omnipaedista's talk page.
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Re: Hogenakkal Falls .

Thanks for the message. Yes, I did see some thing playing up. Pity that this issue is not solved yet and keeps springing up from time and again. I hardly check my watchlist these days. Although I'm indeed thinking of coming back since I have got my time more organised. Trying to workout a personal formula of stricking the balance between wikilife and the real one. Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 11:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I dont really understand what exactly you mean by "did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted" .if Adding the name in kannada and hindi script is your problem ,then what you are doing is not constructive my friend.Come out of your narrow mindset. I know Kal means rock in tamil also , i am a tamilian too but hoge is not a tamil word. More people from karnataka visit Hogenakal falls than The people from tamil nadu. There is no harm in mentioning the name in kannada and hindi . Your attitude is a shame for someone hailing from the land of Thiruvalluvar. I hope you understand the point and let the names in kannada and hindi to appear in this wiki post. Jai hind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhoomakethu (talk •contribs) 14:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Well as far as I can see, Naadapriya did not understand how the system works in Wikipedia. The person could have been trained into being a good editor rather than being blocked. After all, s/he didn't stop after being blocked. Messages from IPs keep hitting on wiki administrators still. In my opinion the user could have been left foradoption by a veteran editor who could have trained him/her well on how the system works. I noticed the issue still going on onan admin's talk page which is on my watchlist. Earlier it used to be from Texas, now it is from San Jose. In spite of all the differences we might have had with Naadapriya my ethos wouldn't alow me to be ad hominem. I still am tempted to go help the person but what stops me isthis. I'm not insane to go help a person just to get the same one to shout abuses at me. At least am not insane yet! :D Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 19:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, we shalt be followed for eternity. After all, அன்புக்கு உண்டோ அடைக்கும் தாழ்.. haha!Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 12:12, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Hogenakal

Hi,

I dont really understand what exactly you mean by "did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted" .if Adding the name in kannada and hindi script is your problem ,then what you are doing is not constructive my friend.Come out of your narrow mindset. I know Kal means rock in tamil also , i am a tamilian too but hoge is not a tamil word. More people from karnataka visit Hogenakal falls than The people from tamil nadu. There is no harm in mentioning the name in kannada and hindi . Your attitude is a shame for someone hailing from the land of Great saint Thiruvalluvar. I hope you understand the point and let the names in kannada and hindi to appear in this wiki post. Jai hind. Dhoomakethu (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

well ...it means tht changing the articles location like this isnt warranted without providing enough references & not reaching a consensus in the talk page is considered as a true vandalism ....moreover on the article meaning issue the word "hoge" alone is a non Tamil word & hence the lang karnataka has been included there & kal is not so .....yep ...therzz no harm in including kannada & hindi for the article if they r made in their respective lang , & needs no such inclusion in wiki cuz its enough if the local lang translation is provided .....& since u have mentioned thiruvalluvar you may try this where the article has only local language translation ...& the same goes for all....

& kindly do understand tht wiki has a set of rules & infos cant be added claiming em to be of no harm .....--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}19:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Did I forget to thank you? ..

Pearll's sun/Archive ,Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 174 in support, 2 in opposition and 1 neutral votes. Special thanks goes to RegentsPark,Samir and John Carter for their kind nomination and support. I am truly honored by the trust and confidence that the community has placed in me. I thank you for your kind inputs and I will be sincerely looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas ( including my english ;) ). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). Have a great day ! -- Tinu Cherian - 06:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

mullai periyar .

http://wrmin.nic.in/index3.asp?subsublinkid=739&langid=1&sslid=733

Meaningful edits

Hi,

There's no point removing square brackets from the 'list of national languages of India. Better still, replace the text within the square brackets to "Languages with official status in India".

AshLin (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• sure ! will work on that . i suppose u could assist me withthis . thanks .--Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}19:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure! Commented there! You know Wikilinks are sensitive to capitalisation!

Another hint instead of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_10 this] use [[Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_10#List_of_national_languages_of_India]], i.e.

• • Use a wikilink rather than a link!
  • Use a # to point to the exact section! AshLin (talk) 13:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks for ur comment's . sure such a redirect would do good . --Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?} 17:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

help

Hi Muthu.. I am looking for some help to enter the "runner-ups" inTamil Nadu election articles. I would greatly appreciate if you can help with that. --CarTick 20:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

hi ! kindly let me know in which area u need assistance . --Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?} 11:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I am trying to add runner-ups in all assembly election articles. Madras legislative assembly election, 1952, Madras legislative assembly election, 1957 and Tamil Nadu state assembly election, 1967 are already done. you can look at these articles for how to do it. For example, you can work on Madras legislative assembly election, 1962 to begin with. When you are ready, pls let me know and I can assist you, if you need. --CarTick 13:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

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A thought ...

It would be nice if you could make your posts in English without too many abbreviations, many people who edit the english Wikipedia do not have english as their first language and things like

well.....i agree tht ur info's r convincing
so would u suggest tht an article
is wrong cuz
until they r terribly misguiding

are potentially confusing. Cheers.  pablo_hablo. 20:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

oops ! ok ....will sure work on that . --Doctor muthu's muthu ^{wanna talk ?}02:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)