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William Webb (disambiguation)

The general policy says now that disambiguation pages should disambiguate Wikipedia content, they can not disambiguate the whole world, not even only the whole internet content. There is an exception for red links, meaning that they can be added if the item is mentioned red-linked in an article or if the creation of an article on the subject is imminent. The baseball players who pitched the odd ball in the 1800s are linked only to a list (which are non-articles) and I doubt they are notable. So it is doubtful if somebody ever will create an article on them. Anyway, why not write the article first, and then add the name blue-linked to the disambiguation page? I will propose this policy change, prohibiting red-links on disambiguation pages. Besides, many red links on disambiguation pages are added by those funny people who add their own name or hyperlinked webpage (absolutely forbidden), and those I will continue to remove. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages)#Red_links Kraxler (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have proposed the policy change, the red links are utterly unnecessary on disambiguation pages, they put the horse before the cart. I thought I remembered that there should be no red links on disambiguation pages, and there might have been a change, I am too busy to look it up. Anyway, you are right, as of now, there is no such policy I erroneously stated. Kraxler (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See [1]. Kraxler (talk) 17:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is really difficult to believe, but look at William Webb (disambiguation). There are currently 5 red links: 1 minor criminal (non-notable?, accomplice has page, could be enough), 1 railway administrator (potentially notable), 2 baseball players (one played 2 or 3 games, the other played one game, a man who played one game in the Major League is notable?, that sounds ridiculous) and 1 spam-notified self-promoter. There we go: 4 out of 5 links (80%) are exactly as I said "non-notable entries, self-promoters and subjects on which nobody ever will write an article." Sorry, it sounds harsh, but there it is. On the other hand, my proposal really goes beyond. It is a question of logical procedure, and common sense in an encyclopedia. After all, this is not supposed to be a teenage-blogspot. Kraxler (talk) 18:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

cp

Wikipedia shorthand for copy edit. In the same way sp is Wikipedia shorthand for spelling correction. David Newton (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LondonGazette

Basically you can put anything after supp= to "switch on" the functionality that parameter provides. As I explained previously, it just changes part of the url that's constructed from the text "Issue" to the text "Supplement". Saying "yes" just seems to be a bit more intuitive to me. David Underdown (talk) 10:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly article

Hi Pdfpdf - most of the text was restored from an earlier edit. I just deleted some very POV statements. The quote you want IS in the Canberra Times article I referenced. I thought it wasn't either - but I did a text search on it and it is there - close to the beginning. I'll properly quote the reference about his opposition to capital punishment though. Please reply here. JRG (talk) 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Closed Belair Line stations

Good work on the closed Belair stations - are you going to take a picture of the other one you haven't got yet? I'm sure Normangerman would love any help with the remaining stations which we don't have photos for as well. Thank you. JRG (talk) 05:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! (Flattery is appreciated, and will probably get you exactly what you want!)
The short answer to your question is: "I already have".
Probably the easiest and quickest solution is for me to load them ALL up, and then tell you two so that any of us can use whichever ones we think are most appropriate - I was assuming I'd have to do it all myself, and had run out of spare time. (As it is, I really should be working on my income tax right now, but I'd rather watch paint dry, so WP is a MUCH more attractive alternative ... )
I'll post again when I've got them loaded up. (And/or you can add /Belair Line to your watch-list.)
In the mean-time, I'm pretty happy with how North Tce, Adelaide is developing. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Pdfpdf/Belair Line#Millswood railway station, Adelaide - Next stop Sleeps Hill. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Pdfpdf/Belair Line#Sleeps Hill railway station, Adelaide - Next stop Clapham. Pdfpdf (talk) 18:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you want them, but here are some photos of /Elizabeth South taken 2005-12-07. Pdfpdf (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So will these photos be used in the articles? normangerman (talk) 13:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even as we speak! (I have been putting them onto various Belair line stations (particularly Sleeps Hill.) Please feel free to use them (or not) as you wish.
(However, I won't be touching the Elizabeth South page - I'll leave it to you as to whether you want to use the /Elizabeth South photos, or not. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blamey

Hi Pdf, I understand that the ranks are now back to being longer then the person's name (at least in some cases), but that is the reason why I but the line breaks in. I was hoping that with the line breaks the name would still retain importaince and focus, without the need to go into abbreviations saving the common person from having to click on the links. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding Nulka

I saw you made some revisions to the NULKA article. I have a photo I took of a NULKA launcher and I would like to put it in the article but I don't know how. Could you help me? How do I contact you? —71.118.222.75 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Could you help me?" - Yes, certainly. I'd be happy to help.
"How do I contact you?" - Well, you already have. In other words, this is a good place to "talk" to me. Alternatively, over on the left side of the page in the 4th box from the top (labelled "toolbox"), there's an option "E-mail this user". Click on that, and send me an email.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Things that perhaps you should know about WP & photos:
  • To upload photos onto WP, you need to have an account, be logged in, and be an "Autoconfirmed user".
    • Creating an account is really easy. (The hard bit is chosing a username. Advice: Choose something more imaginative than Pdfpdf!)
    • Logging in is really easy.
    • Being autoconfirmed is easy too, but it does take a little bit of elapsed time.
    • If you don't want to wait, and want to do it NOW, then I can do it for you.
  • With WP, the copyright of the photo is a real pain.
    • The copyright must permit the photo to appear on WP. If not, there is a legion of pedants who will come along after you and remove the photo.
    • If you don't own the copyright, you need to read the copyright carefully to determine if it allows you to load it on WP. For example, many copyrights allow you to freely use a photo for "personal use", but loading it on to WP is NOT personal use, and hence that copyright forbids loading onto WP.
    • If you do own the copyright to the photo, you must define the copyright in a manner that allows the photo to be displayed on WP. (Personally, I can't be bothered with all the hoo-haa, so (perhaps injudiciously), I have been "giving away" the photo by using {{PD-self}}. (e.g. Click on this: Image:SleepsHill-CrossingLoop-north-e-Aug08.jpg and look at "Licensing".))
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I took the photo myself last Sunday, so I own it. I was standing on the top deck of the USS McClusky with my kids and took a picture of the launcher from about 30 feet away. I also had an interesting talk with one of the officers about how it works, backed up with online research. I should be able to flesh out the article a bit. I will set up an account and then talk to you again soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.235.109 (talk) 04:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lightsview

Lightsview is near Northgate. Lightsview —Preceding unsigned comment added by Normangerman (talk • contribs) 13:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! (A lot further east than North Adelaide - I was a long way out. I guess that's why I couldn't originally spot the Myer Centre. It's easier to find if you know you're looking from the NE.) And did you use a tripod? And was it the camera's standard lens?
It's a standard Fujifilm S5800 with a $20 tripod I bought at Ted's.
Changing subject, are any of those Belair Line photos of any use to you?
It's up to you really. If you want to make a small Gallery section of 3 photos or so that would be great. It would also be great if you could fill in the articles without photos (ie Largs Station, etc.) I will attempt to do so as well, but it may take time as I am not always free to go out. Thanks for the work you've done so far. normangerman (talk) 15:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AWB edits

Hi. Apart from the updated infobox name, the changes are probably due to the removal of trailing spaces at e.g. the ends of paragraphs. Hope that solves the mystery. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Another source might be spaces either side of equals-signs within citation templates (in <ref>s). (The idea here is to remove the possibility of potentially misleading linewraps.) Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

North Terrace, Adelaide

Thanks! Pingku (talk) 16:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neville Howse

I believe that I have now pretty much sorted out Howse's early service history - after trawling through two biographies of the man, and also two other sources for the King's South Africa Medal, I am now confident that he was not entitled to the KSA. I have done some editing to his page as a result. PalawanOz (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Skyline Shot

Hey mate, I think the old image is outdated, which is why I replaced it.normangerman (talk) 13:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Sorry!
However, the "composition" of the other picture is quite different, and the two next to each other provide what to me is an interesting contrast. It might seem "extravagant", but I think each picture "tells a different story", and next to each other they make an interesting pair.
No doubt, others will disagree with me. If they provide a reasonable edit comment justifying their edit's I'll just sit back and watch.
(Also, not wanting to be blatantly rude, but personally, I think the other picture is "more attractive".)
Anyway, do whatever you think gives the "best" (whatever that means) outcome. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I have a similar angle to that which I can add to the article. I'll add it now.normangerman (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded it now. Tell me what you think.normangerman (talk) 14:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surgeon General

It's arguable whether it's a rank or the name of the appointemnt - from other gazette entries I've seen it does surgeon-general does at this time seem to have been used for anyone in the Medical Corps ranked higher than colonel (compare with the naval practice which still distinguishes those in medical and dental professions as surgeon-(rank)), but I was in two minds as to whether to change that one or not at the time, so I'll leave it alone. David Underdown (talk) 14:05, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also was not sure on the term - my wording in the article came from the two bibliographies. Tyquin (2000) on page 68 talks of "Howse's promotion to surgeon-general on 7 December (retrospective from 22 November". The rank and posting detailed on the same page states:
  • promoted to colonel on 24 Dec 1914
  • ADMS (Assistant Director Medical Services) to the 1st Australian Division on 28 Dec 1914
  • provisionally appointed DDMS (Deputy Director Medical Services) to the ANZAC Corps on 11 Sep 1915
  • temporary surgeon-general and DMS (Director Medical Services) AIF on 22 Nov 1915
Page 67 of Tyquin (and page 213 of Braga (2000)) also quotes a letter from Colonel Fetherston that Howse "should have the rank of Surgeon-General".
page 240 of Braga quotes a letter from General Birdwood "commenting on his promotion from the temporary rank of Surgeon-General to substantive rank as Major-General. 'By the same post, you will here of your promotion to Surg.-Genl in the A.I.F. instead of Temporary'"
I would infer from all these sources, that 'Surgeon-General' was indeed a rank at the time, equivalent to 'Brigadier-General' (as used in the British Army until 1922). PalawanOz (talk) 07:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

licensing of pictures

Out of laziness, I've been licensing my uploads with {{PD-Self}}.
However, I notice you use {{GFDL-self}}. Why? What's the significance of the difference?
Thanks in advance. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(P.S. Reply here if you prefer - I like seeing both sides in the one place.)

I think you'll find that PD means that it is completely "freeware" and you can do whatever you want with it. From my undertanding with GFDL, you are supposed to accredit later derivative works when you are basing work on other people's stuff. That's why you can't do a cut and paste move - it violated GFDL because the "honor roll" on contributors isn't preserved and the original evoloutionary history is lost. I think you should upload your (free) stuff to commons by the way, so that other wikiprojets can use the image without having to upload a local copy, YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 07:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Olympic parade is on in Adelaide on Thursday, if you would like to exercise your camera. I'll also be there, but with the large crowd and many people there, I don't think I'll be able jostle my way everywhere and get everything done well. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image in baseball cap

Regarding the image, let me explain my comments. First, I think it is incorrect to place images to the left of section headers, but I could be wrong on that point. You've moved it left right, so it's moot now. As far as permission to use, the "all rights NOT reserved" appears on a page of text. It does not appear on the page with the image. Finally, the caption is POV since it is an opinion rather than a fact. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. The edit summary sometimes makes it difficult to convey my motivations, so I was happy to explain. The image didn't fall under the criteria for speedy deletion and you've already repositioned it. My understanding is that copyright is automatically granted by virtue of having created a work. So, if I take a picture and post it on my website, no one has the right to use it even if I do not specifically claim copyright. In this case, it's a little less clear with "all rights NOT reserved" thrown into the mix. The image could be listed at WP:PUI to get consensus on whether it should stay or go. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm saying: The picture on http://mafaism.com/_wsn/page5.html is public domain because the only mention of copyright is on http://mafaism.com/_wsn/page2.html where it says it's public domain.
You're saying: Copyright is automatically granted by virtue of having created a work, so no mention of copyright does NOT change that situation, and there is no mention on page5. QED. Yes, there is a mention on page2, but it is somewhat ambiguous whether it applies beyond that page.
Yes?
Correct, that is the way I see it. Another option besides WP:PUI is WP:MCQ. We might be able to get some guidance there. →Wordbuilder (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help. I'm not sure if that editor is who he claims to be. It doesn't seem consistent to put up a web page and then try to redact info from Wikipedia. Either way, he's going about it all wrong. →Wordbuilder (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't come to a final decision on the image. I'm going to nominate it for WP:PUI review, but wanted to give you a heads up first. →Wordbuilder (talk) 20:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Divine Mafa

Hey, I hope I didn't delete anything by error. I'm looking for Divine. I went to school with him in the UK at University of Oxford. He is crazy!. I mean in a very good way. Xtreamly smart and overly creative. He is the kinda guy who really can save the world if he was born white. Unfortunately, its hard to break through race and get things done. Before 1999, we were in school studying hard, when some were messing around doing nothing.
William McMillans, DC 08:49, 19 September 2008 69.143.57.109 (Talk)

Yes, I know Divine. He is very notable. Worked a lot with underpreveledged common folks.
Mcmillan, DC 11:25, 19 September 2008 69.143.57.109 (Talk)


Hello Users-Babakath,Mcmillian,Pdfpdf,word builder and others.

My name is Divine. I amazed that a lot of people are taking interest about my father and myself.

I welcome the interest but I hope you guys delete the excessive discussions, talks, and any assumptions. We leave a very productive and quiet life and would like to have no web presence whatsoever, unless its a cause for the poor and the needy.

I spoke to my father and he feels the same way.

I have no knowledge on how to do wiki pages and want to delete our profiles, discussions, talks etc..., on all the communications related to us. I never authorized the creation of the wiki pages, and my father feels the same way. I really appreaciate what everyone is trying to do. We want to stay private from the internet at this point in time. Is this ok with you? Thanks, Divine
01:02, 21 September 2008 User:Fumblingfoe (Talk)

Same user edited Talk:Divine Mafa at 12:28, 21 September 2008 as 206.53.144.184 (Talk)

VC

Hi PDF, Here's where I got the 16 medals at Richmond from [2]. Have a look about 1/4 of the way down the webpage. Maybe the museum has returned one since 2001 but I can't find any evidence. You make some good points. It irritates the hell out of me that some editors revert perfectly good changes for perfectly bad reasons. I'm not bothering editing the page again. 86.24.116.38 (talk) 16:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

VC (again)

Hi David. I know "winner" is not uncommon usage, but one doesn't "win" a VC, it's not a competition. One "earns" a VC. One is "awarded" a VC. And when one receives it, one becomes a "recipient". (Not a "winner".)
"Winning" is usually associated with being the end-product / goal of doing something. In the case of a VC, the medal is/was neither the goal nor the end product of the act, (particularly if the recipient died in the process).
So, that's my 2¢ worth. What are your thoughts on the matter? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I recall, even the MOD uses winner wehn referring to GC and VC - certainly in one of the cases taht was altered it was for instructions on how to navigate through a website, so the terminology should be left as the website itself uses it. Recipient just seems very stilted, holder might be better, but winner has been the consensus version for a long time - it's been discussed on teh talkpage before. David Underdown (talk) 17:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, recipient does seem a bit clumsy; I would have preferred a different word. But "winner" just doesn't seem appropriate. The first time I read the article I was surprised to see that "winner" had made it through the reviews; one day I'll dig through the archives and see how/why it did. Thanks for your reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

D.Mafa

Duplicate of above posting, posted again. Fumblingfoe (talk • contribs) 16:51, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks" I am amazed about my presence on the internet. I hate to be refered to as a Rhodes scholar, I want that remmoved. I hate to have the history of my family online, cna you help me edit this. It appears you are from back home. How are you? Divine, Fumblingfoe (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are so so funny, Fumblingfoe (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fumblingfoe (talk · contribs)

Hey, just a friendly reminder regarding this reversion, per WP:USER, although archiving is preferred, Fumblingfoe was totally within his rights to blank his talk page. Thanks 80.42.147.114 (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Milhist

Hi:

Is there any particular reason why you're reluctant to sign up, by the way? --ROGER DAVIES talk 18:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Roger
If I signed up, it would be reasonable of you to expect me to do something useful. If I didn't do anything useful, I would feel guilty, and I expect you would feel disappointed. This way, anything I do is a plus to both sides. (I guess in modern management jargon, I'm doing expectation management, and I'm going for a win-win outcome!)
But thanks for asking; I hadn't examined my motivation before.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 23:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JC-Adelaide.jpg

Hi, That picture is from a few years ago and I think I have lost the original file.

I don't know why the new image is only 1MB. Maybe when I cropped it, the image was compressed. The original photo was actually 3.4MB.

thanks. --Jamiec1962 (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Mike Hindmarsh

Hi Pdf, it is my understanding that the Duntroon of the era in which Hindmarsh graduated typically constituted a three year course. With this in mind, my guess is that Hindmarsh joined the ADF in 1975 upon entering Duntroon. Hope this helps, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 12:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I have no conclusive reference, but it is common knowledge that the Duntroon course formally ran for three years. I would revert if I was you, as the ball seems to be more in our court on this one. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Full "conversation"

Hi Bryce, Here's something up your alley: When did Mike Hindmarsh join the ADF?
(I can't track it down. His bio only mentions when he graduated.)
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pdf, it is my understanding that the Duntroon of the era in which Hindmarsh graduated typically constituted a three year course. With this in mind, my guess is that Hindmarsh joined the ADF in 1973 1975 upon entering Duntroon. Hope this helps, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 12:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's consistent with what you had on the page, and with what I would expect. (You don't have a supporting reference, do you?)
However, User talk:Backswamp has just changed it to 1976.
Do you want to revert it with an edit comment saying "Evidence please", or shall I. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't reverted it (yet). I posted this instead. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I have no conclusive reference, but it is common knowledge that the Duntroon course formally ran for three years. I would revert if I was you, as the ball seems to be more in our court on this one. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is sad, but not too surprising - I couldn't find anything either (but then, as you're aware, that isn't unusual!) I'll give him a couple of days to reply &/or react before I revert - feel free to do it yourself whenever you wish if you prefer. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Hassett

Hi. You are right; the first paragraph in the lead is a little clumsy. However, the main difference between what is there presently and your suggestion is that your's has removed the "a position marking him as the professional head of the Australian Defence Force" bit. I believe this should be retained, as a common person who is not very knowledgeable in the area of the Australian Military would not know what the position of Chief of the Defence Force Staff signifies. Also, the purpose of the lead is to summarise the article without going into too much detail, so I don't think the years of his promotions to brigadier or general are really required in the lead. As for the last issue raised, the position of Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee is actually quite different from Chief of the Defence Force Staff. The CDFS had quite substantially increased power compared to CCSC, and was a completely reorganised position. While the difference between CDFS and CDF is just in name, the CCSC had very little power compared to the CDFS.

Now, for some of my changes. Hassett's medals for his service in Malaya I have moved to the end of the "Later career" section. Due to an addition I made, it seemed a little awkward and I knew you wouldn't exactly be impressed if I removed it entirely, so I figured it would sit well with the other listing of his medals in the aforementioned section. I also removed the "It's an Honour" reference in regards to his CBE; again, this was due to an addition I made. As the mention of the CBE is now in the middle of a sentence, I didn't think it would look that great having a double reference and having a separation that large between words. As I have previously stated, "It's an Honour" does violate WP:VER, however, if you feel so compelled that you must re-add it (I know how much you do like "It's an Honour", lol) then I won't engage in an edit war and remove it.

I hope this clarifies some things, and explains others. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geez, I'm having a difficult time in finding the words to reply here! It my writing seems a little all over the place, I appologise, but here goes: I can have another look at the lead, and make a few tweaks (such as adding "anchors"); everything on the "It's an Honour" website is covered in the London and Commonwealth Gazettes, plus a little extra in some places; and, sorry, but no. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Categories & Moving images to Commons

Why does moving images to Commons break the Categories? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and Commons have separate categorization. Wikipedia images are in Wikipedia categories, and Commons images are in Commons categories. The category trees do not exactly mirror each other. Conscious (talk) 07:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So why, when the image is moved, doesn't the move process leave behind the WP categories? It doesn't seem very well-designed that someone has to manually re-create the category links? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because categories may be different in Commons and Wikipedia, there is hardly a method to automatically find the best match. However, in many cases the same categories will work, and CommonSense can be used to categorize images. When I delete images from Wikipedia, the most typical case I see is that images are in no (Wikipedia) categories except those added by templates. Actually, I think that (freely licensed) images shouldn't be uploaded to Wikipedia in the first place. Conscious (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bus Transfer Boxes

I've started a new addition to the Railway Station articles... tell me what you think! Glanville_railway_station,_Adelaide#Bus_routes
Normangerman (talk • contribs) 12:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"tell me what you think!" - That was a dangerous question!! Here goes:
  • My internet connection keeps dropping out tonight and I'm getting annoyed at having to do everything twice.
  • Is that the best picture of Glanville Station we have? It's not the most attractive place on the planet, is it!
  • Interesting track layout! I wonder why four platforms and three tracks, and why one track is served by two platforms? I've not seen that before.
However, I expect that was not exactly what you were seeking ...
  1. FYI, another WP interest I have is Oz Military biographies. Some wiki-friends and I have been adding tables of medals to the bio pages (e.g. Peter Cosgrove#Awards, Keith Payne#Honours and awards). We have run into a vocal group who complain that this information is: "superfluous"; "not necessary"; "duplication"; "image cruft"; "already in the info box"; yada; yada; yada. I fear that you may risk similar reaction. Yes, the data in the "Transfers" section of the info box is but a mere and tiny subset of the information in your new table, but WP being WP and Murphy being Murphy, some pedant is "sure" to come along and make similar complaints.
  2. There's an awful lot of "white space" on that page. Why is the table so wide? i.e. Why doesn't it stop just to the right of "Birkenhead Bridge"? If it did, the table might then appear immediately under "A small bus/rail interchange was built adjacent to the station in the mid 1990's to cater for bus's serving the LeFevre Peninsula area.", which (I think) would look a lot better.
  3. One of the military bio pedants has introduced me to "show" - there must be a million examples, but I can't find one right now! There's a "sort-of" example at User:Abraham, B.S.#Awards. However, although similar, that's not exactly what I mean.
  4. What requirements are you intending to address by putting the table there? (e.g. Are you expecting people to use it in journey planning?)
  5. The page is about the railway station. Bus transfers are mentioned in the info box. How important are bus transfers to the history etc. of the railway station. Do they merit that much space?
  6. The table takes up more space, and is more eye-catching than the picture of the station. Is that desirable?
Well, that's a start. How else can I help? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the box was there before, but it was rather ugly. I might remove the section out of the InfoBox when I've set a few up, and, yes, I will get a better photo of the station soon (although it's quite ugly in the first place anyway). I've fixed the table, so it should be better now. Normangerman (talk • contribs) 14:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

D. Mafa (again)

you are not the gat kepper of all knowledge. you re wrong for vandilizing this site becase you have no knowledge of the people who are heroes to many that you dont know. 69.143.57.71 (talk) 02:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"you are not the gat kepper of all knowledge." - No, I'm not. And neither are you. And this observation is of no relevance to anything. I gather you are complaining because I told you that "information" without supporting evidence is not acceptable on WP. They are not my rules. Familiarise yourself with the rules before you start complaining. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"you re wrong for vandilizing this site" - Well, firstly, I didn't vandalise. Secondly, I'm not wrong. As I said: "They are not my rules. Familiarise yourself with the rules before you start complaining." Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"you have no knowledge of the people who are heroes to many that you dont know." - Wrong again. As a matter of fact (not opinion), I now know quite a bit about D. Mafa. The issue, of which you seem to be totally unaware, and totally unwilling to educate yourself, is that wikipedia requires EVIDENCE, and you are not supplying any. Until such time as you provide some, I will continue to revert your edits. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Divine Mafa

to Pdfpdf Everything is documented from Oxford. You should call them or send an email. I am a fourth witness to attest to the intellect of Divine Mafa, black Rhodes Notable scholar and you seem to be fighting his notability. You are limiting participation from all of us who mean well. As of now on, you can keep Wiki to yourself. Its of no value to me and the people I know. Its a joke because you made it so. You argue things you have no evidence to because you dont like it. I followed Pdfpdf talks. You are rude and abnoxious and you think the world is your to bnully people on Wiki. I am personally calling wiki to inform them on how rude you are and disrespectiful you have been to other users. How can I truely say you Pdfpdf? I can never prove you or you gay friend did the last talk. Its impossible to tell. Its hard to quantify the truth. This is why wiki is an online third party community that debates these things. By count I am a the fourth Rhodes Scholar in Virginia,USA. Divine Mafa was my class mate at Oxford and is very notable, but not you. We had great intellectual times there. He was a champion of human rights and very notable in our community and abroad. He also invented the dignostic toilet. A toilet that detects your blood sugar level after you finished using the toilet. Now, lets get this straight? How do you expect me to put a research paper of this magnitude on wiki? How do you expect me to get a woman from rural Zimbabwe to write on Wiki and she has never had a computer. You Pdfpdf, live in a world that depends on google. You are immature,ignorrant and arrogant. The worse things that may be good is to visit you, take to you people who experienced good works of these Rhodes scholars that you love to emulate and hate inside your heart. Mcmillan,

You are so ignorant. I am done wasting my time with you. You may enjoy wiki. Keep the whole wiki to yourself. I will never be on wiki again. Its stupid. Rhodes Scholar, McMillan 69.143.57.71 (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above edits constitute a personal attack, viz. insulting and making personal statements. Not only does this never help your case, but in addition to being unpleasant (to put it mildly), is against the rules they set up for this encyclopedia: WP:NPA.

The point in dispute on your edits is not that anyone thinks they are uninteresting, but encyclopedia policy is that every statement must be backed up by a citation - a link to a source which confirms this, either online or printed. It is the responsibility fo the person adding the statement to also add the citation. That's the policy. Policy also provides that uncited material may be removed, by anyone, ie including those who know nothing of the subject. You will see that various editors (including Pdfpdf and myself) have spent time finding sources to back up statements in the article on Divine Mafa and that on his father. You are introducing statements without the citation / verification to back them up. This does not help. You even introduce a new issue (the diagnostic toilet) on the talk page. If you have a source on that, eg a newspaper article, then including it makes a big difference to the article. Unfortunately your current conduct does not take us anywhere and your uncivil communication makes things worse.
It's also confusing to have you and (I assume) someone else using the same IP (69.143.57.71) when you appear to have opposite aims - the other user from that IP was wanting the article on Divine Mafa deleted, along with all mention of him, eg Sept edit. (also posted to User talk:69.143.57.71).Babakathy (talk) 21:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalised User Page

Congratulations on your progress in the world of wiki! I had wondered at the snails-pace of your development here: only ever the talk page vandalised, never the user page. Soon you might qualify to be an administrator! jmcw (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you John! You managed to slip that in, in-between all the other noise, and I hadn't noticed it. Thank you. I feel like, at last, I have "come of age"!! (See the recent edit history of my user page.) I was beginning to wonder if I had some personality flaw and I just wasn't up to WP scratch - as you say, 18 months is a very long time before qualifying for the initiation ceremony!
I hope all is well with you and yours. Best Wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

(mfd)Its not good to harrass new users and use cursewords and keep embarrassing them beacsue you know how to use wiki. I want this user to be deleted or I WILL SUE WIKI FOE HIM CALLING UGLY AMARICAN. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. Rhodesscholar2 (talk) 01:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC) 1. <!-- Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled --> {{AfDM|page=Pdfpdf|date=2008 October 1|substed=yes}} <!-- For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page=Pdfpdf|date=1 October 2008|result='''keep'''}} --> <!-- End of AfD message, feel free to edit beyond this point --> has been harrassing other users[reply]

  1. As usual, you make vague and general claims without any supporting evidence, and you ignore large numbers of verifiable and verified facts that you find inconvenient.
  2. I find it really hard to believe that you were awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and spent two or three years studying at Oxford. Your spelling an grammar is inconsistent with someone who has had that experience.
  3. I, and others, have gone to considerable effort to keep D Mafa's page on wikipedia. For example, the only section of D Mafa's page which is clean of "bias", "verification needed" and "citation needed" tags is the section that I wrote.
  4. I have included every piece of data you have mentioned into the article. I have deleted no facts which are not substantiated. In fact, the only thing I have deleted is the entry on the Notable Rhodes Scholars page, because no-one has been able to supply any confirming evidence.
  5. Despite repeated requests from several editors (not just me) for supporting evidence for this data, you have not supplied one single piece of verification.
  6. You have said that I should ring Oxford University. No. That's not how WP works. It is up to the person adding the information to supply the verifying evidence. That is YOU. Not me. These are WP's rules, not mine. If you don't like them, take them up with WP - I have no control over them.
  7. Somewhere you have said something like, "how am I supposed to provide verification of a scholarly paper". I would answer, "the same way that everyone else on wikipedia does". You claim to have studied at Oxford. You should be quite aware of how to cite scholarly papers.
  8. As far as I am aware, I have never used a "curseword" on wikipedia. Please supply evidence.
  9. I agree that "Its not good to harrass new users". Please supply some evidence that I have done this.
  10. Which users are supposedly "new". It is easily demonstrated from contributions lists that all of these people have been around for a while, or are sock puppets of people who have been around for a while.
  11. By-the-way: Sock puppets are not tolerated on wikipedia.
  12. Please. Please. I implore you. Please go ahead and try to sue wiki. You won't get past your lawyer's receptionist! Your lawyer's receptionist will tell you that you have no evidence for your claims, and that your claims show that you are misrepresenting what actually happened, and she is not going to waste the lawyers time.
  13. And I could go on. And on. And on. However, I have better things to do with my life, and failing that, there are MANY other things I would prefer to do than waste my time pointing out to you that you have no idea what you are talking about, particularly given that you have not paid one iota of attention to any advice, information or help that anyone (not just me, anyone) has given you.
  14. You have threatened to go away and not come back. That suits me. Bi Bi. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belair railway station, Adelaide

Hi. I don't understand how what you have done has "fixed" the page, particularly when it wasn't broken.
I'm guessing you mean "return page to 'standard' format"?
If so, OK, if that's what you prefer. But why don't you like the layout where the attractive picture had been enlarged? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, the Infobox should always be the most focal point in the article. This is because it's an informative article, not a pictorial article. It's the standard on all the Adelaide rail articles. I know it's a nice photo, but it shouldn't be the main focal point. I'm not a full-on Wikipedia guru, but I think standardisation should be within all our article.
Hope you understand, and do contact me if you want to discuss it further :) normangerman (talk) 13:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Fair enough. I conceed that it is more than just a matter of "preference" and/or "attractiveness", and that uniformity of style is more than just "a good idea".
I therefore guess you have no problem with the enlarged photo being in some other location on the page where it is not the focal point? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 22:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your message on my talk page

Re the edit summary to your recent message - I was not pushing a POV in an article, but making a comment about the need for a redirect page - there is a huge difference between the two. In fact, in almost any discussion about such matters (Afds are another example) users express their point of view.  – ukexpat (talk) 00:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC);[reply]

I agree. My comment was ambiguous. I should have been clearer. Sorry. Pdfpdf (talk) 00:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fact vs opinon

In trying to be civil I am posting here and not making "comments" in other means. (And I am removing the your comments about the cited references ON the cited references - they really do not belong there.) I am really not sure how anyone can be presented with fact and then still state "Well that is not fact". In regards to the band Heart and the year "1974". Nancy Wilson has said she joined the band in 1974. Many other sources will state this as well however outside of Wikipedia, excluding other sources that are just re-quoting Wikipedia, there is very little, if any, factual information that suggests the entire band formed in 1974. In the same vein, outside of Wikipedia, there is little to suggest that the "entire" band, including Mike Fisher, relocated to Vancouver in 1975. Independent of Wikipedia, in interviews and stories based on interviews, facts show that Mike Fisher was already in Vancouver, BC Canada before musicians who would later be in the band Heart moved there. I have never made any claims as to what year Mike went to Canada as I have never seen any mention of a year, only that he went there and was there.

As for the rest lets take the year of 1974 and work backwards:

FACT: Ann Wilson is older than Nancy Wilson. Nancy was still in high school when Ann was playing in bands that did not contain Nancy.
FACT: White Heart was a band that was playing shows in 1970. That band had Steve Foseen and Roger Fisher as members. For a short period in 1970 White Heart was known as Heart.
FACT: In 1971 Ann met Mike Fisher at a Hocus Pocus show when Mike had sneaked back into the country. Hocus Pocus was a band that included Roger Fisher.
FACT: Ann Wilson fell in love with Mike Fisher and went to Canada to be with him.
FACT: Steve Fossen finished college before he moved to Canada.
FACT: Roger Fisher moved to Canada sometime in 1972 - 1973.
FACT: Nancy graduated high school and went to college.
FACT: Ann, Roger and Steve were in Canada and playing shows under the name Heart when Nancy was still in college.
FACT: Nancy dropped out of college after a year and a half and moved to Canada to join Heart in 1974.

FACT with cause: Roger, Steve and Ann have all used the words, or been referred as, "Founder" or "Co-Founder" of the band Heart. Irregardless of who "founded" the band there is little doubt that these three were, collectively, the "founding members" of Heart.

NOT FACT: Nancy Wilson joined Heart and the entire band moved to Canada in 1974.
NOT FACT: Heart was an established band who played shows in Seattle before they relocated to Canada.
NOT FACT: Heart started playing in 1974, after Nancy Wilson joined the band.
NOT FACT: Heart formed in Seattle, Wa in 1974 and relocated to Canada in 1975.
NOT FACT: Heart formed in Seattle, Wa in 1974 and relocated to Canada in 1974.
NOT FACT: Heart formed and started playing shows in 1974.

What you can safely put together say is that "Roger Fisher and Ann Wilson were in a band called Hocus Pocus. At some time in 1971 Rogers brother, Mike Fisher, sneaked across the border from Canada where he had been avoiding the draft and met Ann at a Hocus Pocus show. Ann fell in love with Mike and moved to Canada to be with him. Steve Fossen finished college and moved to Canada. Roger Fisher moved to Canada at some point during 1972 - 1973. While Nancy was in College, Heart was playing shows in Canada. Nancy dropped out of college, moved to Canada, and joined the band in 1974"

What you can safely "fill in the blanks" with - Ann moved to Canada before Roger and Steve did. With only Mike and Ann in Canada there was no band. Roger and Steve moved to Canada and together with Ann (And, in some unknown capacity, Mike) a band was formed. In 1973 Heart was a band who was playing shows in the Vancouver, BC Canada area.

To refine it a bit - we are unsure if Heart formed and played in 1972 but we know in 1973 they were for sure playing. Between 1971, when Ann and Mike met, until 1973 there is a gap of overall personal specifics, but it may be that musically there was no band. Steve may have not played in a band in order to finish college. Roger might have continued Hocus Pocus with another singer or he may have joined other band or he may have just moved to Canada soon after Ann. But I have not made any claims to that effect on the main page. Soundvisions1 (talk) 16:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

4 star rank

I believe that AOG rank is something related to a video game. This came from some investigation (A google search). My original revert speculated that the phrase AOG was military-related. -MBK004 18:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Asterisks

Hi Pdfpdf, the traditional order in (Western) typography for footnotes, etc, is usually asterisk, dagger, double dagger... when not using just numbers. See Footnote. 118.90.18.175 (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

full conversation

Australian Honours Order of Precedence

Hi. I'm puzzled. Why did you turn the daggers into asterisks? Thanks in advance. Pdfpdf (talk) 09:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pdfpdf, the traditional order in (Western) typography for footnotes, etc, is usually asterisk, dagger, double dagger... when not using just numbers. See Footnote. 118.90.18.175 (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well there you go. (You learn something new every day!) Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming image files?

{{helpme}} Is there any way to rename an image file?
e.g. I want to rename Image:J150W-aaFirst.jpg to Image:J150W-AAFirst.jpg
Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately no, you need to upload the image again with the new name and then request deletion of the old image. GtstrickyTalk or C 13:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Flicker

Hi. I'm glad you have recently edited this article. I have problems with the article - none of the claims it makes are supported with any independent evidence or citations. The only information I can find is on the Mike Flicker website. (Hardly what you would call an independent source!) Do you have access to some other sources of information? For example, I'm not surprised to see someone say "Mushroom Studios was not designed and built by Mike Flicker", but on what information do you base that statement? Similarly, I have not been able to find anything about his birthplace. What leads you to think he may have been born in Seattle? (I'm hoping you have access to a large cache of information I haven't been able to find!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have listed what I know about sources on Mike Flicker, as of this point, in a number of comments at the talk page. I do not have a copy of Brown's Heart: In Studio. I have not searched Variety for information about him, they are usually puff pieces anyway. --Bejnar (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, this is really good stuff! It should also be useful for the Heart, Wilsons and Fishers pages too. (It's really hard to find anything on Mike Fisher). Many thanks. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meals

Sorry. Didn't see it. Fixed now with link to history. See WP:CS for proper reference format. Pepso2 (talk) 12:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References look fine. Since PDF files take longer to load, I always like to know in advance if a file is PDF. Check certain sentences which are the same as the source and should be rewritten. I think the word "services" would be preferable to "programmes". Pepso2 (talk) 04:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rhodes scholars

A reply to your reply, and a third person has chipped in too. Regards, BencherliteTalk 12:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of One Voice, One Heart

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Your note

Thank you for your note. You have a reply. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Order of Odd Fellows

Sorry, the tagging was a mistake. You can undo that. Have a nice day. --Pwnage8 (talk) 04:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

reflist

Using firefox 3.0.3 - reflist and reflist2 come up as reflist format, while reflist3 works fine. Bizarre I know. Timeshift (talk) 02:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, reflist3 shows the refs divided in to 3 columns. Timeshift (talk) 02:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of schools in South Australia

Hi, I deleted the web links for those two schools, because although they do not have their own page here on Wikipedia, most of the schools listed on List of schools in South Australia do not have their own page either and do not have a web link beside them. It's a bit much to put a web link beside every school that doesn't have a Wikipedia page considering that there are almost 400 schools in that list in total. Natski-asnd8 (talk) 09:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand where you are coming from in regards to not making this a link farm and yet still providing some information, but I feel that putting a link beside all the schools without a WP page would make the page looks somewhat cluttered. I'd rather see the creation of stub pages for each (or at least a vast majority) of those schools. I find that people are far more inclined to add to an article than create one. For the time being the links could stay, but I'm hoping that most of the schools will eventually get their own page, even if it is a stub.Natski-asnd8 (talk) 12:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HAHA! Yes, you are right in saying that I am a closet optimist, I like to think and hope for the best. I have an amazing amount of spare time coming up soon, so I'll probably start on a few pages and fix a few others up as I have wanted to do for a very long time now. I'm sick of reading WP school pages with poor spelling/grammar and read like a prospectus. I like what you've done with the page, well organised I must say, so keep adding the links for now, and I will get around to starting on a few school's pages.Natski-asnd8 (talk) 13:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seven Stars Tavern

Serendipitously… while reviewing some research material, the 5 volume set of “Newfoundland and Labrador Encyclopedia” I came across it. I had considered doing an article for The Odd Follows of this part of the world and noticed in the lead-up to the article it talked about the start of the society in North America. The encyclopedia has not been put to electronic version yet, but I’m sure this will soon happen. It’s a tremendous resource of nearly 3,500 pages. I have an original signed copy by author Joseph Smallwood. --HJKeats (talk) 22:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: needs a little revamping

There's still room for improvement. The Kiss dab still doesn't look as good as, say, DMX, Rain (disambiguation), Lion (disambiguation), Bongo, DMZ (disambiguation), Jinx (disambiguation), and Ten (though Ten could use another round of cleanup). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candi Staton

I appreciate you being deligent over this article. I will check some references as well as calling Candi sometime either today or Monday to verify what this status is. I am almost positive that she has only been married 3 times. I remember two of them personally. I will let you know what I find. Thanks again Canyouhearmenow 14:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kerosene

I personally bought kerosene retail (delivered) USA for $3.48 per 1 US gallon (3.8 L; 0.83 imp gal) on 10/3/08. Obviously this is not usable in an Wikipedia article though it might provide a ballpark (maybe I shouldn't be using this idiom?!) parameter.

I appreciate that cost/liter would be a common statistic for an article. The article I copied the figure from was pushing cost per BTU which makes sense for a person trying to make a decision about which furnace to buy or which fuel to use. We live amid forests so it wasn't too hard to figure out that wood was best, though wood pellets are a bit handier to burn!

Cost seem to be a neglected figure in most Wikipedia articles. From my POV, I don't see how any basic decision can be made without considering cost, whether it's cost of fuel or cost of government. Best of luck! Student7 (talk) 11:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Worse, my figures don't show taxes of any sort. There are substantial federal plus state taxes. But fuels are all sort are sold in the US included in the price so the buyer often has no knowledge. In my case (and I otherwise have a great receipt) there is no indication of tax at all. I guess about 1/4 or so of the price, but just a guess. Student7 (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brigadiers

Why are you adding brigadiers to Category:Australian generals? As I'm sure you know, brigadiers are not generals in the Australian Army, whatever their equivalent rank may be in other armies. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding Mike Hindmarsh

Hi, You recently changed Mike Hindmarsh's year of joining the ADF from 1975 to 1976, but you didn't provide any explanation, or any evidence to support your change. Could I bother you to explain why you think he joined the ADF in 1976?, Also, do you have any evidence to support that? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a relative to Mike and upon showing him the page he said that his entry date to Duntroon was wrong. However since then I have forgotten the exact reason. Backswamp (talk • contribs) 23:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. If you can get some more information, that would be appreciated too. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cecil Rhodes

Hi, as you look like the closest thing to be the custodian of the Cecil Rhodes article, I'm asking for your help to resolve a stalemate between me and Contaldo on that page. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at the sexuality section of the page and provide some input, I'd greatly appreciate it. I understand if you don't want to get involved but I'm looking for some third opinion in this since it's going nowhere.

The basic thing is I've written a sentence that starts "However, some writers and academics have speculated about the possibility that Rhodes may have been homosexual, although admittedly the amount of direct evidence is scarce. In particular, in discussing this issue the scholar Richard Brown observed: "there is still the simpler but major problem of the extraordinarily thin evidence on which the conclusions about Rhodes are reached."

Contaldo wants it to read "However, some writers and academics have examined the possibility that Rhodes may have been homosexual..."

My argument for using "speculated" instead of "examined" is that it is more accurate. There's simply not much evidence to be examined that people's opinions on the matter must by necessity be based largely on speculation. I think the sentences that follow in the section make it very clear.

Thanks for your help.DaineG (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Thank you for taking a look.--DaineG (talk) 20:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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