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Hi, thanks for your edits to the Star Carr article. I have tidied up a bit on the references and tagged the Clark ones as needing page numbers. When referencing books or PDF documents it is good practice to give the page numbers that the information can be located on so that others can verify the information. Keith D (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I've put page numbers where I think it's appropriate but am sometimes merely referencing the existence of an entire work. As add detail I'll try and make sure it's referenced. I'm just doing bits and pieces at the moment - got to fit it around 'real' archaeological work! PatHadley (talk) 19:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
York meetup
Hi PatHadley. I see you are attending the National Railway Museum event on Wednesday. I just thought I should let you know there is a meetup event the night before. Sorry to repeat this if you already know, and I hope you have fun on Wednesday. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I was there but didn't make contact with anyone and no-one made contact with me. See my remarks at User_talk:Tagishsimon#York_meetup. Best. --GuillaumeTell 22:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi,PatHadley, I have been the meetup but didnt see you there, were you eventually making it? Zeyi (talk) 10:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I didn't make it. Got caught up in other stuff. Apparently it started really really late. PatHadley (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
KMIC Conference Workshop
I'm free on the 15th; I'll hold that date open until I hear from you one way or another. Very happy with today - we reached 6 museums beyond the NRM ... couldn't ask for more. --Tagishsimon(talk) 20:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about funding; we'll attend anyway ;) --Tagishsimon(talk) 13:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
MaryE.Compton (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the warm welcome Pat.
Hi. I see that the Star Carr article has a section with the link: Main article:Star Carr house. However, you created a circular redirect from the latter to the former three days ago, which means that anyone wanting to know about Star Carr House will have to work back to the redirect, then click the View history tab, then click the 2nd link from the top. Happy to help if you can't work out how to fix this - or am I missing something? Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for noticing. I'm in the process of fixing it. Cheers! PatHadley (talk) 18:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Done that [1], I presume the two mentions of the structure ("Evidence of..." & "The latest..." refer to the same thing? Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
They do but now have been edited to avoid duplication/contradiction. I'd rather avoid using the 'Star Carr House' terminology until I've reworked in some refs to the press coverage last summer... PatHadley (talk) 18:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Sure - as it redirects there just bold the term when it first occurs. Johnbod (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
GLAM Ice Age art event
Hi Pat, it was great to meet you at the GLAM Ice Age art event yesterday.
Would you mind taking a look when you have some time? The articles could benefit with input from someone of your experience.
Kind Regards -- Marek.69 talk 21:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Really. I'm sure
Thanks for your "benefit of the doubt". The published works of the author Jordina Sales are reasonabily serious. However, I'm not sure about my linguistic correction in English. Could you revise the text, please?--Climent Sostres (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. But I'm corrected a little phrase that I think was'nt in its exact sense. Modestly. If you're in disposition to revise the new changes in the text, I'll be much obliged to you.--Climent Sostres (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Great PatHadley (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
IDP event
Hi Pat!
Details of the event have gone out to some of the groups the IDP's worked with, but I don't know how widely it's been advertised otherwise.
Please do pass it on to anyone who might be interested - all are welcome, and I'm happy to do some quick training for interested potential contributors on the day. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello again!
I'm just doing some of the advanced work for next week's event - have you decided which day you might like to come over? If you can let me know a couple of days in advance I can arrange a security pass. (Note that you won't need to register for a readers pass)
One of the other things we're looking at is images. The IDP has a very large collection of manuscript and artefact images, as well as a lot of site photographs, historic material from expeditions, etc. We're hoping to upload a lot of this during the week, but if there's anything specific you'd like to request, please let me know and we'll bump it up the list.
Thanks, and looking forward to seeing you next week! Andrew Gray (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Great - I'll request a security pass for both days. You won't need a reader's pass for the event itself, but if you want to register for one while you're here, it's open throughout the day - just make sure to bring all the needed ID! Andrew Gray (talk) 10:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
PS: completely forgot to say, but if you have a laptop, it'd be a help if you could bring it! If not, no worries - we have some spares. Andrew Gray (talk) 16:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
So that article now exists. All I meant was, if you go to that page, and click on "what links there", there is an Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie listing there, and the entry for Klemm might be helpful. As in similar cases. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pat!
/tap tap tap
Is this thing on?
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Can you help me?
I'd like your help to make appropriate adjustments to the text you deleted. I think this information is important. Thanks. --Axxis10 (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi Axxis10, I'd love to help but I really don't have much time right now! I Have you tried making a request here: Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/es? Good luck and thanks for getting in touch PatHadley (talk) 17:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try, thanks--Axxis10 (talk) 23:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello Pat, as you've attended some events run by Wikimedia UK in the past I was wondering if you'd be interested in an event that's been arranged for February. Wikimedia UK is committed to supporting our volunteers. To encourage them to teach others how to edit Wikipedia, we are running a weekend training workshop that will take place on the weekend of 23–24 February in Newcastle. Also, if you know anyone based in Scotland or northern England who might be interested going to the training please feel free to tell them about it. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Pat, there's been an update since the above message. The response from the community is that a different location would be easier for volunteers to get to. As such the training session will be held in Manchester on the same dates. If you're interested please take a look at the event page for further details. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 14:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Pat, we're looking to finalise numbers and I just wanted to confirm that you're still interested in attending the event on 23-24th February? Thanks, Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 20:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
We've finalised the list of attendees and you're amongst the 12. See you there! Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 11:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Pat. Thanks for the thanks. I saw you were stuck between a rock and a hard place, so thought I would put a bit of effort in. I will try resubmitting it, and see where we get too. Cheers. Jokulhlaup (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
YMT things
Hey guy, if you want to create the framework for York Saint Mary's Church I will expand on it all with the archaeological information - we have the excavation reports and ground plans here in the office and mention a couple of REALLY important collections that came out of it.
Also - Feel free to send us a message/email if you ever want specific things added to YMT articles I'll try to oblige. The YMT page seems to have hit some obstacles, we'll sort it out.
I've been adding onto EBORACUM occasionally now and intend to expand that further, as well as my new side project on Romano-Celtic Temples.
Totally addicted to this again. Damn you.
AP - ColFac Archaeology. Zakhx150 (talk) 17:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Just wondering, but are there any Featured Articles on Roman settlements? Acra (fortress) is, well, more of a fortress. And are there any Featured Articles about Roman Britain at all? Nev1 (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Pat. I got your wikithanks for my brief edit to Tempest Anderson (thanks for the thanks!) and checked out your user page out of pure nosiness. I notice that you are a fellow Yorkshire resident and a published archaeologist, and it dawned on me that you might be in a good position to assist, time permitting, with the review of an article that I have been working on, Wade's Causeway. I have opened up a peer review for the article and I am awaiting comments. If you can spare the time, I would greatly appreciate any time you are able to spend on reviewing the article. Many thanks - PocklingtonDan (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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Looks like it got there in the end, seems they had a big backlog, hence the delay. Jokulhlaup (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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I created Ralph Paynel, found I had to rescue this from having nil content ... and then thought of you. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Charles, thanks for the tip. I think the YMT archive has loads of stuff on York's Medieval Churches. Sadly, this leaflet is the only public web-accessible thing currently. The other group in York that might be interested in helping are the Centre for Christianity and Culture. I'll investigate. PatHadley (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks. I have no opinion on the matter, except that I'm sure it didn't belong where it came from. I suspect it's too much to merge, and am somewhat surprised that Am. Anth. should be the whole of Anth., the distinguished Brits and other nationals of that species ought really to get better coverage in the Anth. article. I imagine therefore that Am. Anth. could make the basis of a suitable sub-article in the Anth. tree, though it undoubtedly needs work to make it less of an essay. I doubt it should be part of any disambig. page as its name is clear enough, but a {{main}} or {{further}} link or two might be in order somewhere. I've added a discussion to the Anth. talk page. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Cool. Look forward to seeing what the hivemind thinks..... PatHadley (talk) 10:08, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Given that there's a major Archaeology section in American anthropology, what is your logic in removing the category? Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I am currently doing a fairly extensive tidy/reorganisation of the sub-categories within Archaeology (have a click to see). I am planning to work out a better category for American Anthropology to live in. I was hoping to do it today but I don't think I'll have time. I recognise the importance of archaeology as a component of anthropology in a US framework but am unsure how this all fits into Wikipedia's global perspective. No big deal if you want to put it back in for now. Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 13:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
If you're working on a better cat, I'll leave it for now. It seems clear that it has a bearing on archaeology; a more specific cat could be something like "Sciences using archaeology", I suppose. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Cat:Prehistoric art
Pat, I have reverted (by roll-back for convenience) a number of removals from this category of things that seem to me to clearly belong there. Have there been earlier edits along these lines? Please raise the matter for discussion at the VA project if you think there is an issue with them. The category is pathetically small as it is, mainly because archaeological editors seem incapable of categorizing anything as art or as type of object rather than by narrow artefact types. Johnbod (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi John, I recategorised those pages as they are also (mostly) in categories within Prehistoric art and therefore were made more specific and logical. The megalithic ones are trickier but I was making a start at tidying that I've been doing across archaeology categories. I appreciate that you do a great deal on art generally and prehistoric material is often desperately in need of an arts perspective. My tidying of archaeology categories generally is to familiarise myself with as much archaeology content on Wikipedia as is feasible (so much is tucked away in illogical places!) and to thereby have a perspective that can create some sort of order. So many of the geographic or temporal categories are inconsistently applied and I'm just trying to shunt pages around until I can get a handle on them. I'll leave your reverts as they are until I can think of something more sensible. Cheers! PatHadley (talk) 09:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I had checked most, & have checked again. As far as I can see only 2 did in fact come under Cat:Prehistoric art via other categories, & I have removed it from these two. But I agree the tree is rather a mess; probably a lot can be done at category level rather than article level. Johnbod (talk) 13:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
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A luminary done. There are a few more biographical details in the ODNB. Gothic Revival specialist books may be helpful, I suppose, and there are said to be works around in York. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant! Many thanks! What a great head-start for Sunday. I don't suppose you'll be able to join us? Or perhaps virtually? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I have a family lunch that day. I've done something about James Atkinson (surgeon). For DNB conversions, you can leave a note at WT:WP DNB, or (which would be quicker) on my User talk. As in this case, copy editing is much of the struggle, and not hard for me. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Note on Talk:Thomas Cooke (machinist), but it's a bit tangential. Right up my street, though. The older William Gray (1751–1845)looks interesting. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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As a contributor of Barcelona Roman amphitheatre article, I beg you a new reading and idiomatic revision. I've done a new contribution in this article, but I can't write in English very good. Excuseme and thanks a lot.--Climent Sostres (talk) 23:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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I just added your category, [[Archeological research institutes]] to a related article, St. Mary's City, Maryland.
When you have time, would you be willing to take a quick look and see if I made the right call on that? I believe that article should go in your category (See 1) the "St. Mary's City Commission" within that article and also the "Historic Archeology Field School") also within that article. Appreciatively,Cliffswallow-vaulting (talk) 05:36, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
John Kirk
Hey matey,
By chance I was looking at Category: British Archaeologists and saw the sandbox entry on there you had made for John Kirk. The page had already existed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kirk_(archaeologist) and i, by chance, has expanded it the other day. YAY!
Anyway, I'll nab the additional date material from the sandbox (if you dont mind) and bang em on. love.
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I'm pleased to read that you are in a position to talk to the curators about the possibility of uploading photos of more geological material from the York Museums Trust's geological collections. I'm at a disadvantage because my current knowledge of the collection is limited to what is mentioned on the Yorkshire Museum's geology collection webpage at http://www.yorkshiremuseum.org.uk/Page/ViewCollection.aspx?CollectionId=8 I'm particularly attracted by the mention of Bernard Hobson's collection of igneous rocks (because I'm an igneous rock specialist). The other types of specimens in Yorkshire Museum's collection are also of interest to me. If I could obtain more detailed information about the specimens, perhaps by access to a catalogue, I'd be happy to help with more detailed suggestions. Have you had a chance to look at a catalogue? GeoWriter (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi GeoWriter, the digital catalogue is currently only available internally (unfortunately) but I am looking through both our image catalogue and Commons trying to find gaps we can fill. One problem I'm finding is that many of YMT's images are simply record-keeping images that are not great quality. However, there is a new photography set-up and if you and I can identify some particularly good targets I could create some new extremely high-quality images especially for your needs later this week. I've just looked and the Granite sample images seem pretty nice but not very scientific and we have some excellent samples with good provenance but the current photos are poor. Would photographing those be a good place to start? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, granite samples sound like a very good place to start.
Any good granite samples would be very welcome, please. Samples from the following locations would be of particular interest:
Arran
Skye (eg. Cuillin/Red Hills)
Rum
Cornwall
'Older' granites of Scottish Highlands e.g. Carn Chiunneag, Ardgour, Ben Vuirich
'Newer' granites of Scottish Highlands e.g. Strontian, Foyers, Caingorm, Garabal Hill, Glenelg, Ross of Mull, Etive, Lochnagar, Ben Nevis, Loch Doon, Criffel, Cairnsmore of Fleet
Shap
Weardale
Exmoor
Dartmoor
Massif Central (France)
Brittany
Donegal
Connemara
Leinster (Ireland)
Himalayas
Andes
I have also been looking at gaps and weaknesses in the coverage of rock hands specimens in Wikimedia Commons. So far, I've concentrated on igneous rocks. (I'll check sedimentary and metamorphic rocks, and minerals and fossils later).
My list of igneous rocks for which I could find no photo of a hand specimen, which would be good to add to Wikimedia Commons:
adakite
aegirinite
agglomerate
ailsite
alnoite
ankaramite
allivalite
banakite
banatite
basaltic trachyandesite
benmoreite
biotitite
bojite
boninite
bostonite
borolonite
bronzitite
camptonite
clinopyroxenite
craignurite
crinanite
diallagite
elvan
enderbite
epigranite
essexite
eucrite (from Scotland, not meteorite)
ferrodiorite
foidite
gabbronorite
glimmerite
granophyre
greisen
harrisite
high-alumina basalt
hortonolite
icelandite
ijolite
inninmoreite
katungite
kentallenite
keratophyre
kersantite
kylite
lamproite
leidleite
ledmorite
leucitite
lugarite
madupite
markfieldite
marloesite
marscoite
melmafite
micaite
monzodiorite
monzogabbro
MORB basalt
mugearite
nemafite
nephelinite
nordmarkite
norite
orendite
pantellerite
peperite
perthosite
pitchstone (especially spherulitic variety)
plagiogranite
plumasite
prowesite
pulaskite
quartz-dolerite
quartzolite
rockallite
shoshonite
skomerite
sovite
syenogabbro
theralite
tholeiite
toscanite
tuffite
tuffisite
ugandite
vogesite
websterite
wehrlite
yogoite
Jedbugh-type basalt
Dalmeny-type basalt
Hillhouse-type basalt
Markle-type basalt
Dunsapie-type basalt
Craiglockhart-type basalt
My list of igneous rocks with currently poor photos of a hand specimen, which could be improved:
albitite
chromitite
dacite
durbachite
felsite
harzburgite
hawaiite
hornblendite
hyaloclastite
ignimbrite (especially with fiamme texture)
komatiite
minette
orthopyroxenite
phonolite
teschenite
tinguaite
tonalite
troctolite
trondhjemite
Another way to improve coverage of igneous rock hand specimens is by location. Hand specimens from various "classic" igneous rock locations would be welcome:
One of the most important places in the history of igneous geology is the Inner Hebrides of Scotland. This area includes the igneous rocks of what is now called Paleogene or Paleocene age, but until about 10 years ago was called Tertiary age. This area has had many names over the years, including:
North Atlantic Igneous Province (NAIP)
Brito-Arctic Province (BAP)
North Atlantic Tertiary Province (NATP)
North Atlantic Volcanic Province (NAVP)
North Atlantic Basalt Province (NABP)
North Atlantic Tertiary Volcanic Province (NATVP)
British Tertiary Igneous Province (BTIP)
British Tertiary Volcanic Province (BTVP)
British Paleogene Igneous Province (BPIP)
Thulean Plateau
The area includes the following places:
Mull
Skye
Arran
Rum / Rhum
Eigg
Muck
Canna
Shiant Isles
Ardnamurchan
St. Kilda
Ailsa Craig
Rockall
Staffa
Morven
Lundy
Giant's Causeway (and Antrim)
Slieve Gullion
Mourne Mountains
Carlingford
It also includes the Faroe Islands and parts of Iceland and east Greenland.
Other classic igneous locations of great significance that would benefit from more hand specimen photos include:
Glencoe / Glen Coe
Arthur's Seat (Edinburgh)
Berwick Law
Eifel (Germany)
Huntly
Belhelvie
Haddo House
Insch
Portsoy
Ben Loyal
Loch Ailsh
Loch Borralan / Borolan
Whin Sill
Skaergaard (Greenland)
Hawaii
Iceland
Canary Islands (Tenerife, La Palma, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, Fuerteventura, El Hierro, La Gomera)
Azores
Madeira
Martinique
Guadeloupe
Reunion
Ascension Island
Japan
Etna
Vesuvius
Stromboli
Bushveldt (South Africa)
Stillwater (Montana)
Bishop's Tuff (USA)
Muskox, Canada
Borrowdale (Lake District)
Snowdonia
Cheviot Hills
Ochil Hills
Oldoinyo Lengai
Kilimanjaro
Deccan Traps (India)
Columbia River Flood Basalts (of NW USA)
Any samples described as "cumulate" are also of interest.
I know that I've listed many, many rock types and places, but I think it gives you more keywords to use in searching the catalogue of the museum. I hope my guidance is helpful to you. If you have any questions, please ask and I'll try to help. GeoWriter (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Wow! That's quite a list! Sorry for my late reply but I've been side-swiped by life and virtually been off Wiki. I'm not currently going into YMT because my residency is (officially) over but I will pass on this list to the team and we'll see what can be done. I'll gather together as many relevant samples that already have good images and explore getting a volunteer set up to create new hi-res images and work with you to get them used on articles etc. I'm really thrilled you're keen on this and hope we can help as much as possible. Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for passing on my igneous rock list to YMT. I'm very keen to help YMT contribute to Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia. I hope it will still be possible for YMT to provide photos of geological samples that would fill gaps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. I look forward to hearing from you about any feedback you may receive from the museum's staff or volunteers. Meanwhile, I'll make a detailed assessment of the gaps in Wikimedia Commons' coverage of fossils, sedimentary rocks and metamorphic rocks. GeoWriter (talk) 20:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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Six degrees of separation
Hello Pat. I was delighted to read the Signpost draft and realise that your work had touched on Sterne (whose lesser novel Travels inspired a C19 writer I'm fond of). I just love how Wikipedia joins up knowledge. Roberta Wedge (WMUK) (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Signpost
Hey Pat, thanks for writing the Signpost article, and I apologize for not replying before. As you might be able to glean from my contribs, I've entered graduate school and unfortunately don't have much extra time for Wikipedia. I delayed your article by a week as we already had a feature for this week, but it will run next week. With it being an op-ed, you could make it into the first person if you'd like (rather then referring to yourself by your username). Ed[talk][majestic titan] 21:38, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Just saw the post - thanks, great piece. I'd like to explore opportunities to get the York Museums Trust involved with a Wikidata-focused research project, the proposal for which I am currently drafting (see this blog post for background). -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 05:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Thought it might be within the GLAM sphere. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks! I'll definitely follow it up. PatHadley (talk) 13:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks
Many thanks for opening this new world for me HassanEbeid (talk) 15:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
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York memorial
Yes, it's not that I worked on the image, though of course everyone hates to see their work lost. But I think I can overcome that twinge of pain. It was just that the image you added was rather "weird" to look at, as it had some very odd visual 'artefacts', especially at the right (streaks of unreadable shapes); and the base of the sculpture seemed to floating in a void, which gave it a distinctly eerie look. Yes the image was in one sense more useful. It had more visual information in it, but of course that's not the principal purpose the picture serves in the article. Thanks for the information on other images. Paul B (talk) 11:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Wizardry required
Yo maestro, I cannot for the life of my figure out why my new and exciting Humber ware page auto alphabetises to being under 'Y' in Category:Medieval_Ceramics. Enlightenment? Zakhx150 (talk) 12:34, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
@Samwalton9: Ah the old 'copy and paste' fail. Cheers chief. Enlightenment acquired. Zakhx150 (talk) 12:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Well that was a very relaxing way to sort out a query. :) Cheers @Samwalton9:! PatHadley (talk) 13:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Uploading Images
Hi Im trying to have a go at uploading an image for the Ismay collection on Wiki Commons but Im not sure what to select under why I have the right to publish this work section?? FionaArt1986 (talk) 12:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Fiona, you should be selecting: This work was published under a Creative Commons licence. Then select: CC-BY-SA 4.0 - for source and author put: York Museums Trust. When you come to adding the information about the pot, you can copy paste the block below into the 'Description' box and then fill in the blanks/places where I've added block caps:
{{Artwork
|artist = {{Creator:NAME GOES HERE}}
|author = Photographed by: York Museums Trust Staff
|title =
|description = DESCRIPTION From the W.A. Ismay Studio Ceramics Collection at [[w:York Art Gallery|York Art Gallery]]
|date =
|medium = Ceramic
|dimensions = Diameter: XXXmm
|institution = {{Institution:York Art Gallery}}
|department = Studio Ceramics
|references = [http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/exhibit/w-a-ismay-collector-connoisseur-of-studio-ceramics/QRpzaaM2?hl=en W.A. Ismay – Collector and Connoisseur of Studio Ceramics - Google Cultural Institute gallery] written by Helen Walsh, York Art Gallery Curator
|object history =
|exhibition history =
|credit line = Courtesy of NAME GOES HERE/York Museums Trust via Wikimedia Commons. (CC-BY-SA 3.0)
|other_versions =
|source = {{York Museums Trust image}}
|inscriptions =
|notes =
|permission =
|accession number = YORYM :
}}
Good luck! PatHadley (talk) 12:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
oh no
I did everything and it said it had uploaded but when I checked its not there so its floating around somewhere in cyberspace - I don't know if you can see what ive done or not?? FionaArt1986 (talk) 13:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I know what I have done wrong - I didn't put the category in correctly. I have just had another go and it has successfully gone up (maybe you could just have a check when you get chance to make sure0 so the good news is ive cracked it - the bad news is there is one floating around god knows where on Wiki Commons - sorry! FionaArt1986 (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Porcelain Vase by Bernard Leach (YORYM 2004 1 1)
It's done! I've tweaked and tidied the name and metadata. Well done! PatHadley (talk) 13:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
You can inspect your own contributions list here: [2]. You can get back to using a link in the Left-Hand column when you're on your own user page. PatHadley (talk) 13:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
@Hoshidee: Hiya! What's up? How can I help? PatHadley (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@PatHadley: Lol, it has a title now!!! Just Worked those out. :D
I am an artist and while I will be starting to get local Artist bios up on here, I don't want to do my own!!!
No worries if asking this is too cheeky, my bf has already volunteered :) that would mean explaining it all to him though, eek!
@Hoshidee: You definitely need to be a bit careful about that. The policy on autobiographies is worth a good look. You'll need lots of third-party sources. In the meantime, I'm tidying Rosalind Forster now. I hope it's ok but some of the language 'borrowed' from the gallery sites was a bit puffy. PatHadley (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@PatHadley:Just as well I didn't go there. Nah, self-promotion does not sit easily with me as it is, the fact there is a policy is enough to put me off that; I have enough policies in my life as it is!!! Will have to wait and hope someone deigns me important enough some day. Rosalind Forster wise - no problem, once I started editing, I noticed allsorts - added tons of commas... couldn't decide on some things such as GB vs UK, so left them alone! :D Hoshidee (talk) 19:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@Hoshidee: - What's up? The notability tag? We'll get past it. Need to find more reliable sources that have no promotional basis. :) PatHadley (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@PatHadley: I also got an official telling off on my talk page! Whoops :/ Best way to learn is by making mistakes :) Thank you again. I will be looking for more sources to add, I feel like I have to see this through!!! Hoshidee (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@PatHadley: Thanks!!! :) Think I may contact Rosalind herself to ask about books, magazines, journals etc. she may have been featured in. Is that acceptable wiki-etiquette? (Last Q, I promise!) Hoshidee (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@Hoshidee: Sure - as long as you read what she might send with a critical eye. I'd do some more googling too. Need to find at least two sources that are not trying to sell her work in any way. (There are no last questions! I keep asking them too!) PatHadley (talk) 20:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Commons category
Hi Pat, just uploaded some of the images I took today and created a category, ArtAndFeminism_2015/Wakefield to store them, which appears to be the A&F standard for other events. Sam Walton (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Pat, just wondering if you can find any evidence of this abbey having existed? I came across the article and thought I'd see if I could find something to expand it with but can't find a single mention of it outside of Wikipedia mirrors online. Sam Walton (talk) 11:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
@Samwalton9: Intriguing! My only suggestion is that it's a mix up with what Wikipedia calls Neasham Priory but the old maps and Archaeology Data Service seem to refer to as 'Neasham Abbey' just south-east of Darlington. This record refers to some work on the site back in the 90s but there's more on the ADS and on google too. Time for a redirect? Hope that helps! PatHadley (talk) 12:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
That seems sensible, I've redirected it there. Thanks! Sam Walton (talk) 12:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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Actually it's ok, I've seen how on the help box... Cheers anyway! Posyjowett (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for the note. After lunch today I walked from Walmgate to YourBikeShed at Micklegate Bar (about 13 minutes). It wasn't very busy so I had a look around, chatted a bit to the lady behind the counter (they have wine as well as beer), went downstairs where there was only one occupied table (looking like a meeting!) and everything looked fine, plus, as you say, it's not far from the station. Shall I pass this on to Bazonka? Best, GuillaumeTell (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for doing this! Much appreciated. Shall we just go ahead and edit the meetup page? PatHadley (talk) 09:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
St Mary's Castlegate
There is a page for St Mary's Church, Castlegate, York. I'd be keen to see these articles expanded with more information. I've got a few sources, but mostly old newspapers, and details of the organs.
Cracking stuff! Thanks! I'll do some digging around and see how I can help. Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Notice that an uploaded photo will be deleted-Harrogate Galleries and Museums
Hi Pat,
Unfortunately I have received a message stating a photo I uploaded is missing evidence of permission. It may have an author and a source, but there is no proof that the author agreed to license the file under the given license. It apparently will be deleted on Friday.We here at Harrogate are at a loss as to why this may have happened and how we can resolve it as it might be hard to prove categorically who created the picture.
I'm worried that whoever has raised this complaint/issued this warning will start doing the same for more pictures.
I hadn't seen the message until today having only been monitoring wikipedia messages this week.
Jonathan Fenny (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
@Jonathan Fenny: Hi Jonathan, cheers for picking this up and letting me know! I've deleted the message with a notification. I don't think there'll be any more problems but will keep an eye out. Let me know if you have any more trouble. PatHadley (talk) 14:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Your new article
I see that you have created a new article. It is very well written, and I believe that it will be staying here on Wikipedia quite safely. One thing though, I think you might want to move your reflist to the references section. Just note that inline citations typically go to the references section. I might do it for you later. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 14:23, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I see that it is most likely just a little mistake. Just for your information, I was referring to Edmund Otis Hovey. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Cheers! Well spotted. I'll hopefully get time to add more later. Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 14:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for starting the article Edmund Otis Hovey. Looking into it, there are at least two people named Edmund Otis Hovey, in the same family, and to make it more confusing both are known for geology! Edmund Otis Hovey (1801-1887) was a clergyman and geologist. [3] His son Horace Carter Hovey was also a clergyman and geologist [4], and Horace (apparently (mis)named Howard here) is the father of Edmund Otis Hovey (1862–1924), geologist.[5]. Phew! Likely all three men are Wikipedia notable (the elder two Hoveys occur in several encyclopedias and biographies), and I'm not sure how to disambiguate the two E. O. Hovey's: perhaps Edmund Otis Hovey (clergyman) and Edmund Otis Hovey (geologist), but since the elder was also a professor of Geology and Mineralogy for many decades, perhaps a date based dab such as Edmund Otis Hovey (1801–1887) and Edmund Otis Hovey (1862–1924)? Any thoughts? --Animalparty! (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi @Animalparty: Cheers for picking this up. I made similar discoveries about the Hovey dynasty as I began to investigate the youngest for that article. I have no preference on how they are disambiguated and am happy to defer to your experience. My slightly random reason for starting the article is that a handful of Hovey's images (see the Commons Category) have ended up in Yorkshire in the slide collection of Tempest Anderson (there are more as yet unscanned). My hope was to find a more concrete link between the two volcanologists and try and get the American Museum of Natural History involved in some sort of GLAMwiki link up: I wonder if there are Tempest Anderson's slides in a basement in New York!? As you have an interest in scientist's biographies, I'll just mention the third person crucial to the study of the Mount Pelee/La Soufriere (volcano) eruptions in 1902: Antoine Lacroix. There are also some cracking images by Lacroix in the Tempest Anderson collection but these do not become public domain for a little while yet. It'd be great to have your support or advice on any of these articles. I'd also be thrilled to help with any of your other editing using Yorkshire GLAM resources if you'd like? Can I tempt you with any of these or the online collection? Cheers PatHadley (talk) 08:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Great stuff - well done! Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! PatHadley (talk) 13:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Copyright question
Hi Pat. Congrats on the new position, I actually have a question regarding copyright and Wikipedia that I hope you can answer. Could you briefly summarise what criteria out of copyright documents in the UK need to satisfy to be uploaded to Commons as public domain? I'm a little confused as it seems like the UK law is that the author needs to have died over 75 years ago, but I believe we also have to satisfy the US law of published before 1923? I'm also not sure how it would work if the item was published in both the UK and US. I don't have anything specific in mind, I've just been hunting for out of copyright images and am getting confused :) Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 16:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Sam, it can be crazy confusing! Could you ping me by email with more details? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 18:31, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Pat,
Joan Pritchard has been busy uploading some images from our Roman collection to Wikimedia today. I was wondering if you would mind casting your eye over them? We are having some issues with licensing boxes (3.0 vs 4.0) and possibly categorisation. any help gratefully received!
They can be quickly found at (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_coins) although the large blue box at the top of the screen would suggest that we should be using another categorisation.
Thanks,
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Hiya, These look great. I found an easier way of seeing them all simultaneously: Joan's upload history. I'll have a play with categorising and tidying them and then leave notes on Wikiproject Numismatics and a few other spots. Cheers! PatHadley (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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