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5 Star Movement - revert without explanation

Dear Nick.mon, can you please explain why you reverted my edit without explanation? See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Five_Star_Movement&diff=769568534&oldid=769465386 Thank you, --Lommes (talk) 11:32, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lommes: Hi, I explained it in it.Wiki, according to me the image is simply uncorrect because the red circle around the party's logo is too thick compared with the real symbol. However it isn't a big problem, but I prefer the previous version, which I consider more correct :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 11:37, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Nick.mon: Thank you for the explanation. I changed File:Movimento5s.svg according to your suggestion, trying to match the outer border as closely as possible. Can you please re-check the file, and if you consider it correct now, please add the file to the article (also on it.wiki)? If there is still a problem with the file, please tell me what to change. Thank you again. --Lommes (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lommes: Well, I think that this version is quite correct, but I don't understand why should we change a logo like the current one, which is taken from Beppe Grillo's blog, the official website of the party. Anyway I can't stop you to do it, but maybe we can discuss in the talk pages with other users about this issue. -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:46, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Nick.mon: Thank you again. The reason for changing the file is that the one from the party blog is PNG Format, whereas the one I made is SVG format. SVG is not a pixel but a vector file, and only describes the shapes in the image. In PNG there are pixel and there is a fixed size (in our case 304x304px), at which size the image is properly displayed. But every other size shows a loss of quality (some in smaller versions, but quite a lot in larger versions). SVG, however, can render in any size or resolution without loss. See for example this huge 2000px version, which was created by the wikipedia software from my file. If there is a high-resolution "retina" display, the mediawiki-software is (at least theoretically) able to create a larger version within the article for these users. If the image is used in a table it can produce a tiny 40px version. And so on. As a bonus, the file size for SVG is usually smaller. Hope this makes it clearer. Indeed, producing SVGs from PNG files is my primary task at Wikipedia. :-D If you still have questions, I am happy to answer them.--Lommes (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lommes: Ok thank you very much for the explanation, I must admit that I'm not an expert of SVG, PNG, JPG, ... files. However we can change the previous logo with your one. Maybe the only difference is the name of the party website "movimento5stelle.it", which in the "official" version is slightly thicker and bold, but also the current version is ok :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 23:07, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Nick.mon: Always happy to help. I changed File:Movimento5s.svg again, made the text slightly bolder and put it on a curve more closely matching the original. you see the difference best when looking at the distance of the first "M" and the outer circle. in the previous version it was the same as every other letter, but in the "original" PNG and this new version, the text moves a bit outward (or downward?) at the edges. as a designer, i'd never do it like this, but i am just a copyist here. :-D Is the new version correct?--Lommes (talk) 23:38, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lommes: Yes it's absolutley correct, greate job! Now I will insert your version in it.Wiki and en.Wiki. If I found some symbols to change or create, can I ask to you? -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

For example this one File:Democrazia Cristiana.png, this File:Partito Radicale.jpg, or this File:MOVIMENTO PER LE AUTONOMIE - 3.jpg. There are many many logos to change in the section concerning Italian politics, and if you can do it, it will be great. Of course when you have time, it isn't urgent :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Great. As to the other logos: I have already started. But I will be away for 10 days now, so please don't expect to hear back from me until 23rd or something. Best, Lommes (talk) 20:35, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lommes: Ok don't worry I can wait, have a good week! Best, Nick.mon (talk) 20:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Italian local elections

Hi Nick.mon , I saw that you have created many pages on the italian local elections, but in these pages there aren't any reference to the Municipalities where voting took place. Futhermore, in these pages there are indicated the number of Municipalities won by each party, but there are not sources for these informations. Where did you get those numbers? --Wololoo (talk) 23:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: Hi, I took them from it.Wiki, counting the results in each comune, but I known that there isn't a clear reference. -- Nick.mon (talk) 07:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

However these pages should be implemented, currently are quite unusual without any reference to the Municipalities... Furthermore I am not sure if the infobox in these cases should contain also the leader of the parties, what do you think?--Wololoo (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: Yes you are right, those articles must be absolutely improved. I insert the parties' leaders because we had them also in the local elections which took place in recent years, but I think that they aren't fundamental. We should, at least, insert the election results in the main cities -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:34, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, we could insert the results for the capital cities and a table with the seats for all other important Municipalities. I see what I can do, maybe with your help ;) And personally, I think that at least the leaders should be removed... --Wololoo (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes of course, I will help you. Maybe we can ask also to other users what they think about the images of the leaders -- Nick.mon (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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@Dl2000: Excuse me, but what are you talking about? I insert the flags of the countries which were visited by Renzi during his premiership, as for ALL the other articles about presidential trips (List of presidential trips made by Barack Obama, for example). Is this vandalism? -- Nick.mon (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Dl2000: If you were talking about the sentence "56th and current PM", of course you are right, I simply didn't noticed it, but we should insert the flags of the countries :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 20:16, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Unless you have a source that indicates that Renzi is back on as PM which means some other articles need to be updated. In any case, a massive change like this should have an edit summary. Dl2000 (talk) 20:45, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Dl2000: You are right, but I simply noticed that someone removed all the flags without a reason and so I copied an old version of the article, unfortunately in that version Renzi was still Prime Minister -- Nick.mon (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: Hi, I have done what you said and I hope I did it well, excuse me but I'm not an expert in these procedures :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 07:34, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Fascist secretaries

Hello, Nick.mon. I saw that you created List of Secretaries of the National Fascist Party, and I really liked how you did it. Also, it gave me an idea - there should be a list which would contain all secretaries of Mussolini-led fascist organizations (namely FIC, PNF and PRF). As you can see, there is already a template on Italian Wikipedia which contain all secretaries at the same place - it:Template:Segretari del PNF... Anyway, I'm looking forward to hear your thoughts and ideas about this. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 16:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: Hi, and thank you so much for your words! Regarding your question, I think you are absolutely right, we can include in the article also the secretaries of FIC and PRF. -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm really glad you think so! Of course, it wouldn't be any problem to include the secretaries of FIC and PRF in the article (either you or me can do that; just tell me would you prefer to do it by yourself, or should I take care of that). I have this dilemmas - should we rename the article when we remodel it? I'm not sure whether it should keep the name List of Secretaries of the National Fascist Party (since it wouldn't contain just the secretaries of PNF anymore), or should we find some other name for it? Also - are there precise dates of terms of office for the secretaries of FIC? I know there are for the secretaries of PNF and PRF, but I'm not sure about FIC. --Sundostund (talk) 17:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: No problem, you can do it if you want :) Well, it's a good dilemma... Probably "List of Secretaries of the National Fascist Party" is a bit uncorrect, maybe we can use the title "List of Fascist Secretaries", what do you think? -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

No problem at all, I can do it later today... I think we can use something like "List of Italian Fascist Secretaries", with an explanation in the lead section that the article contains the secretaries of Mussolini-led fascist organizations, without the leaders of post-1945 far right Italian movements. --Sundostund (talk) 17:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: Yes I like this title, I think it's the most correct one for that page :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Alright! Now, as I said before, my last concern are dates of terms of office for the secretaries of FIC. Are they already included somewhere in Italian Wikipedia? --Sundostund (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: Well, I read here that Pasella served as FIC Secretary from August 1919 to November 1921, when the PNF was founded. So Bianchi and Longoni were party's secretaries from March 1919 until August 1919. -- Nick.mon (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! That should be all the data necessary to remodel the list. As I said, I'll do it later today or tonight. --Sundostund (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: Yes of course, it isn't urgent. Thank you too! -- Nick.mon (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Its done, you can check it out now at List of Secretaries of Italian Fascist parties. As you can see, I used a different name for the remodeled article, instead of the one which we mentioned earlier ("List of Italian Fascist Secretaries") — this one sounded better to me... Of course, if you see a need to change something in the article, you're more than free to do it. --Sundostund (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundostund: Perfect, great job! And you are right, the current name sounds better :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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General and local elections

Hi Nick.mon, about the results of the general elections, I would keep all the results, also because many parties have their own page... About the local elections, maybe I had already proposed it to you, I think that it would be better to remove the infobox, maybe replacing it with the template "Politics of Italy". Same speech for the regional election pre-1995. Indeed I think that the infobox with the national leaders is appropriate only for the national elections and not for the local election, where candidates are other people. For example, with reference to the local elections in 2016/2017, I think that Berlusconi can't no more represent the entire centre-right coalition... What do you think? --Wololoo (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: Hi! I thought that very few people want to know how many votes "Democrazia Atea" gains, so I removed all the parties which gain less than 0.1% of votes, as in it.Wiki and other article regarding general elections (for example Spanish ones), but if you think that they are useful informations, we can keep it. Regarding the local election, I think we should mantain an infobox, with the party leaders (even if I think that coalition leaders should be more correct, but by now is very difficult to determinate the coalitions and their leaders). However, as I said, I will keep the infobox as, for example, in the United Kingdom local elections, 2017. -- Nick.mon (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that in the infobox Forza Italia is second, but this is a mistake, Also considering Berlusconi as the current leader of the coalition (while he can be considered at most co-leader). So, the parties should be replaced with the coalitions, also if I prefer the model of the french local elections, for example French municipal elections, 2014 because the national leader are not so important for the local election... Furthermore, the pages about the old local election should be integrated with the results! In the current state they don'ot make much sense...--Wololoo (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: Ok, I will change the results of the elections, removing the parties and keeping the coalitions. About the infobox, I remain by my opinion, we should keep it, but we can discuss about that :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I probably didn't explain it well... The problem isn't the presence of the parties in the table with the Mayoral results (in this case I think that the party is necessary) but in the infobox: while the presence of PD can be considered correct, it isn't so for Forza Italia. We also can simulate that Berlusconi is currently the only leader of the centre-right coalition, but Forza Italia can't be considered the leader party of the coalition, this would be a forcing. I have edited the page of 2017 local election, replacing the parties with the coaltions as example. Tell me what you think, I know that the party is attributed to the leader, but putting Forza Italia in the infobox gives an incorrect impression...--Wololoo (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: I understood what you said, but Forza Italia was always in the infobox because many of its members were elected mayors. Renzi and Berlusconi represent in the infobox their own parties, not the two coalitions. We can absolutely remove them, but I think that we should keep the table with the results for coalitions, as in it.Wiki, which is more correct, because PD, FI, LN and the other parties did not run alone. -- Nick.mon (talk) 08:17, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's exactly for this reason that I proposed to remove the infobox with from the local elections, it's reductive to attribute all the municipal victories of a coalition to a party, above all in the case of the centre-right. The UK system is different from the italian one, in UK each party runs alone, in Italy there are variable coalitions in the different municipalities. I share the model of page that you set for the 2017 election, I think it is the best setting for the local elections and that we can do the same with the other pages :) --Wololoo (talk) 21:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wololoo: Ok, perfect, in the next few days I'll do it :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 21:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Perfect, for the pages on the old local elections I'll help to integrate them with the results ;) --Wololoo (talk) 21:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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@Panam2014: Well, sincerely I don't know, maybe de jure Mnangagwa was interim President, but de facto the office was vacant or Mphoko was the Acting President. Probably we had to wait for other informations. -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

The problem is we have no source that Mphoko was acting president. I think Mphoko (or Emmerson) was de jure acting president but the facto the office was vacant, no ? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Yes probably you are right, de facto the military ruled the country in that days, so I think the office was vacant. -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

For me we should replace his name in the infobox by unclear or vacant and add a footnote. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Ok you are right, but we don't have reliable sources so we should start a discussion in the related talk pages :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

The problem is we have any source for any option. I have opened a RfC in Talk:President of Zimbabwe. Your opinion is welcome. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Ok, we have some problems with Zimbabwe 😅. Thank you, I will try to give an hand -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I have another answer. Emmerson's dismissal as VP has been cancelled. So, we can consider that him term ended on 6 or 24 November. So, Mphoko, who is the second VP, should became VP after the dismissal of Emmerson or when he took oat as president. But we have no source that Emmerson became VP. What does we write ? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Well, the situation is very complicated... Probably the better thing to do is to leave the office vacant in the days after the coup and Mugabe's fall. Anyway, even if Emmerson dismissal has been declared illegal, was de facto legal until today. It's a real mess -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:30, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas

Checco, Autospark, I wish a happy Christmas to you and your families 😊 -- Nick.mon (talk) 10:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I hope you and your family are having an enjoyable festive season too.--Autospark (talk) 21:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

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