User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 19
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Hola Tony
What is your email addess? I'm trying to find info and photos of Puerto Ricans who fought in several wars such as Vietnam.
Regards,
Herencia de Margot Arce 23:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Hola, I think it is in my main User page, if not, give me your e-mail and I'll write to you. Tony the Marine 23:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations!
Tony, I'm sorry I'm a bit late in getting back to you. Heartfelt congratulations on your award from the Puerto Rican government recognizing your outstanding work as a historian! You've done an enormous amount of work documenting Puerto Rican history, and I'm glad you've been publicly recognized for it in your lifetime. Well done!
I hope all is well with you and your family. Blessings to you, David Cannon (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Ex military...
I'm actually a Brit, but I hope you won't mind too much if I still accept your kind words. We have a saying in our Army: "There are three types of people: soldiers, civilians, and ex-soldiers." True... ;) EyeSereneTALK 11:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: request
Hi Tony. I'm glad you have good memories of meeting my countrymen ;) I met quite a few US servicemen during my time, but not anyone from the US Marine Corps (although my younger brother's unit (from the Royal Corps of Signals) was attached to the US Marines for much of the First Gulf War). Anyway, I like to think we always took good care of our American guests; they generally used to leave our mess at the end of an evening in a cheerful state... if not always an upright one ;)
Regarding your request, you are quite correct - there is not, and never was, any such thing as a British 'Medal of Honor' (or even 'Honour'!). I've noticed that those familiar with the US system of awards often refer to our Victoria Cross this way, but as far as I know the only non-British recipient of this (excluding Commonwealth/Empire citizens) is the Unknown Soldier buried at Arlington (and I can confirm Pvt Serna definitely did not receive one). I can't find any evidence that Marcelino Serna was awarded any other British medal either: our National Archive site has is a searchable database of 5.5 million 'medal cards' submitted between 1914 and 1920. However, these were only applications for medals; obviously not all were successful, and it may not include non-Empire citizens.
A significant number of British awards were given to US servicemen/women during WWI (1,217 by 1923), but the highest of these was the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath (the GCB, essentially a knighthood). If Serna was awarded a British decoration, it's perhaps most likely that, given his rank at the time, it would have been the Military Medal or the Distinguished Conduct Medal (of which 411 and 114 respectively were awarded to US personnel). That's as much as I know at the moment, but I'll keep digging into it as it's piqued my interest. Hopefully we can eventually pin this down ;)
All the best for now, EyeSereneTALK 21:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Re:Wall of Honor induction
Tony, I am honored to be included among those listed in on your wall of honor. I will treasure this designation for as long as I edit here. I am glad to have gotten a chance to check my talk page today (my reward for having completed a six page essay), this was huge moral booster. On a largely unrelated note, your new signiture looks good. See you next week :) TomStar81 (Talk) 07:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: Marcelino Serna
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I have a tendency not to notice the rather large orange bar announcing I have new messages. EyeSerene has covered (in much greater detail) anything I could have added, and all I've been able to find are the various resolutions by groups noting he had been awarded this medal, yet no details of any actual British awards (though I agree with EyeSerene that, if any, it was most likely the Military Medal). Sorry I couldn't help. Regards, - Chrism (talk) 11:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations
Tony, congratulations on your being honored by the Senate of Puerto Rico, and thank you for your many fine contributions here. Wikipedia needs as many people who, like you, are passionate about over-looked areas as possible. Although I cannot remember any direct interactions with you before, you are someone whose name I have seen in many discussions and had tagged as one of the good guys. Dsmdgold (talk) 18:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Silver Star discussion
You might be interested in providing your thoughts on a discussion that I started on the Silver Star talk page on the inherent notability of Silver Star recipients. — ERcheck (talk) 01:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- Tony, I've responded to your comments with an idea. See Talk:Silver Star — the last two sections — I created the last section to separate two separate issues that are being discussed:
- The inherent notability of a Silver Star recipients — is the medal alone enough to establish notability for the purpose of having a Wiki bio?
- What is the level of / type of notability for being on the article's "Notable recipients" list?
- — ERcheck (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Marcelino Serna
Hi Tony. I have been doing some more digging, but I haven't been able to find any more about Serna's British medal. The picture of him isn't easy to see, but I can't see a Military Medal there either (although those on the lower left are obscured so it's possible it could be one of them). Normally all medal recipients were (and still are) also 'gazetted'; ie their names would be published in the London Gazette newspaper. I have searched this archive too, and found no mention of Marcelino Serna... I am starting to wonder if this claim is nothing more than a rumour? EyeSereneTALK 09:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think (in the absence of anything more concrete) you've got it about right. It would be interesting to take this further, but I've exhausted all the avenues I can think of. I'll keep an eye open and let you know if I ever come across anything more in the future. All the best, EyeSereneTALK 09:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ángel Nieves Díaz
Thanks for your msg. See my reply at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#AfD_for_a_non-notable.3F. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
Feliz Navidad! Best wishes for the new year. ----vertical (talk) 02:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Website of interest
Tony, Have you seen this website:
- "Hispanic Americans in the U.S. Army". usarmy.mil. Retrieved 2007-12-21.
— ERcheck (talk) at 06:59, 21 December 2007
- FYI. I updated the article on Roy Benavidez. — ERcheck (talk) 19:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sandbox info
Tony, I saw that you were missing units for the 2 WWII Navy Cross recipients that were aviators for the article in your sandbox. William B. Sandoval was a member of VMF-221 and the mission took place during the Battle of Midway...reference is here, just scroll down a bit. The other aviator is Major Paul Fontana who was the CO of VMF-112 when they landed on Guadalcanal as part of the Cactus Air Force. According to this it seems he was Italian and not Hispanic. Hope this helps.--Looper5920 (talk) 02:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Question on Mendez
Tony, the article in progress says 7th Marines was a part of SLF, but you haven't said what SLF is. — ERcheck (talk) 04:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Season's greetings
Hi Tony - thanks for the Christmas wishes - the same to you and yours. Hope you have a good festive season! Grutness...wha? 02:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- Tony: Minutes before it becomes Nochebuena on the West Coast, Felicidades to you too, as well as your family.Pr4ever (talk) 07:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: Greetings of the season
The same to you. Have a happy break! --SGGH speak! 02:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Feliz Navidad
The same to as well my friend. A very Merry Chistmas, and a Happy New Year! TomStar81 (Talk) 02:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Season's greetings...
...to you too my friend, and best wishes for a happy 2008! EyeSereneTALK 20:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Wishing you a happy season
Wishing you the best in every way. Hope you are taking a good rest and I look forward to working with you again in this coming year. Regards, Mattisse 18:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
A happy holiday season
It was good to hear from you. Enjoy the last couple of hours of Christmas, and have a very Happy New Year! You don't have to wait another year to visit my talk page. ;-) Chris the speller (talk) 04:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Your recognition by the Senate of Puerto Rico was well deserved. I hope you enjoyed the trip immensely. Did you mention your proofreader? ;-) Chris the speller (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Gracias
Espero que disfrutaras las festividades, yo las pase muy bien en la isla, Navidad no es Navidad sin coquito y lechón, felicidades! :-) - Caribbean~H.Q. 15:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Felicidades
Felicidades, Tony, y que lo pases bien en union con los tuyos! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Feliz Navidad ... próspero año y felicidad
Merry Christmas, Tony! I was wondering what has occurred with the idea of improving this article with the incentive of having it featured in the project’s front page, thus getting more people to know about the country, its people and rich history? Any news on that would be welcome. Happy New Year, Tony, I hope you have a wonderful time with the family! Abrazos, Soft carebare (talk) 15:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Holiday "toccolours" template
Hello, just a friendly FYI, the "Season's Greetings" box you left on user talk pages is missing its closing "|}" causing any messages left after yours to be incorporated into your holiday greeting (Compare [1] to [2] for an example of what I mean). Whoops! FYI. --12 Noon 2¢ 17:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- You are right, Whoops! What a blooper. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Con el canto del Coquí
An optimist stays up until midnight to see the new year in... A pessimist stays up to make sure the old years leave... – Anonymous.
Thanks for all the friendly comments and messages. I hope 2008 will bring you everything you wish.
Sincerely,
MusiCitizen (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy New Year
Happy New Year, Tony! I hope you have a great year. Thank you for all that you do, and for your kindness. May this year reward you as richly as you deserve. SWAdair | Talk 10:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Workshop
#74 is taken care of. Actually, I've only gotten through #1-13, with a few random ones elsewhere. I haven't comprehensively read through the entire article yet. As you are working on the text, I can work on the citations.
Are you going to be editing the workshop now? I don't want to edit conflict with you. I've got plenty to keep me busy until you are done.
— ERcheck (talk) 21:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Drop me a line before you start so we don't edit conflict; and then, drop me another when you are done. Thanks. — ERcheck (talk) 21:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm done for today. Finished through #32. — ERcheck (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Happy New Year
Same to you Tony.--Kumioko (talk) 03:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Workshop requests
- Tables in article
- Tony, You seem to have the hang of making nice tables. Do you think you could put a top row that goes across the entire table in this section — that says something like "Hispanic USMC Recipients of the Navy Cross during the Vietnam War". — ERcheck (talk) 15:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Resolved - I tried the "|+ " caption method. See what you think. — ERcheck (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- URL correction
- The first link in this section doesn't work. Can you correct the url? Thanks. — ERcheck (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC) Resolved
- Another citation
- Can you find a better citation for #72 (Commissioned officer)? Something from U.C. Code or USMC? — ERcheck (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC) Resolved
- The ref you have is U.S. Army. I added DoD (#73), but can't find sec 532(f). See my embedded comments in the workshop section. Can you find 532(f) or a USMC ref? — ERcheck (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC) Resolved
- Improved citations for Korean War section
- #37 - Perhaps the wrong citation - doesn't mention "first Hispanic. ResolvedAlso, #40 - while it indicates he was born in Puerto Rico, it doesn't verify "first". — ERcheck (talk) 23:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC) Resolved
Greetings in the New Year!
Hi Tony! Happy New Year! Check your e-mail for a note. — ERcheck (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Felicidades!
Que este año nuevo este lleno de felicidad :) - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
More
See more workshop questions above (#Workshop requests). — ERcheck (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Chat
Hey Jason, how you been? How was your Christmas and New Year? I want to wish you a belated Happy New Year. I haven't been very active, except that I'm working on "Hispanics in the USMC". Last Nov. I received a unexpected recognition from the government of Puerto Rico which I want to share with you. Check it out here:Press Releases. So, let me know what you have been up to. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Tony: I'm doing well. I saw that press release last week and was really happy for you. You've done a ton of great work around here and I'm glad you are being recognized for it. Best, --Alabamaboy (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Tony, your work ripples through to educate the U.S. about Hispanic America's influence
Tony, is this something directly or indirectly related to your work about Spain/Puerto Rico's Military History? Either direct or indirect, it certainly is part of the spirit of growing education and consciousness which you pioneered. We owe you the REAWAKENING OF PUERTO RICO's HISTORICAL-RESEARCH ENDEAVOR.
Pioneer work by Tony (Marine 69-71) has wonderful awakening ripple effect
THE WASHINGTON POST
A Declaration of Spanish Alliance
At the Portrait Gallery, Spain's Role in America's 'Age of Independence'
By Stephen Brookes Special to The Washington Post Thursday, January 3, 2008; Page C05 ([TODAY])
"It's the celestial glow around George Washington that first grabs you; the sort of adoring, direct-from-heaven spotlight that painters reserve for men of destiny.
Leaning casually on a cannon, Washington looks supremely confident; storm clouds are giving way to blue skies overhead, and the flags of his enemies lie in the mud at his feet. Victory at the Battle of Princeton has brought the American struggle for independence to a turning point, and every inch of the canvas seems to radiate optimism. It's a portrayal, you can't help thinking, not just of Washington but of the new American republic.
And significantly, "George Washington at the Battle of Princeton" was originally sent to Spain, as a diplomatic gesture of thanks. It was painted by Charles Willson Peale in 1779, the year that the Spanish king, Carlos III, had joined France in declaring war on Britain -- a move of enormous help to the Americans. But the gift also reflected the far more extensive, and even crucial, role that Spain had been playing in the birth of the United States for years.
That little-known relationship is the subject of a thought-provoking exhibit at the National Portrait Gallery titled "Legacy: Spain and the United States in the Age of Independence, 1763-1848." Spanning a period from the Treaty of Paris to Mexico's ceding of California, it's a collection of some 70 portraits, maps and treaties that attempt to shed some light on this still-shadowy corner of history.
And, while it's not always an easy exhibit to decipher, it's worth the effort. France, of course, was America's key partner in the fight for independence from Britain. But the exhibit makes clear that, without the critical help of Spain in everything from financial aid to military action, the War of Independence might have taken a different course. And much of the credit goes to the remarkable Spanish personalities of the day, from the influential Count of Aranda (a tireless champion of the American cause) to Jorge Ferragut (who led campaigns against the British in North Carolina) and Bernardo de G¿lvez, who tied up the British navy at Pensacola in 1781, making it easier for Washington to seize victory at Yorktown.
"The mission of the Portrait Gallery is not only to collect images of the people who made a difference in American history, but to tell aspects of that history," says Carolyn Kinder Carr, the deputy director of the National Portrait Gallery and co-curator of the exhibit. "We've laid out the show to have a dialogue between the people who interacted. The portraits, in some ways, are entry points into history."
The events that unfolded from 1763 onward involved a range of characters, from kings and diplomats to explorers, writers and religious and military leaders, and the exhibit includes telling portraits of many of them. At center stage for much of the period was King Carlos III, and it's his striking portrait (on loan from the Prado museum in Madrid) that opens the show. Painted in 1761 by Anton Raphael Mengs, it shows Carlos in full military regalia with all the trappings of power around him. But Carlos himself is smiling, and he seems anything but imperious; it's the portrait of a man open to ideas -- the embodiment of an era of reform and enlightenment.
On a purely artistic level, it's a hugely impressive collection as well, including five portraits by Francisco de Goya, four by Charles Willson Peale, six by Gilbert Stuart, and more by John Trumbull, Vicente Lopez, Thomas Sully and other more obscure artists. The Goyas alone, in fact, make the exhibit worthwhile.
Other standouts include the portrait of Benjamin Franklin (who, as Commissioner to Spain, persuaded Carlos III to send money, uniforms and equipment to the American cause) by Joseph Siffred Duplessis, and a fine 1834 painting of Davy Crockett (killed at the Alamo, in the fight for the independence of Texas) by Chester Harding.
Pulling all of these figures into a narrative spanning 85 years, two continents and the birth of a nation is an ambitious task by any standard, and the exhibit is often as frustrating as it is enlightening; casual visitors may find themselves quickly at sea. But the exhibit is still well worth viewing. Not only is the portraiture almost always superb, but the paintings also make up a vivid reminder of Spain's profound impact on American culture -- and even on the birth of the country itself."
(CONTINUED: Legacy: Spain and the United States in the Age of Independence, 1763-1848, continues through Feb. 10 at the National Portrait Gallery, Eighth and F streets NW.)
You're simply the best, Tony, SEMPER FI, Soft carebare (talk) 00:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Another workshop note
See ref #81. It was a dictionary citation that was limited in information — I changed it. Please check to see that it appropriate. 12:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Re:Friendly chat
I'm doing well, Tony. How are you doing these days?
I blocked XLR8TION for 1 week and UnclePaco for 1 day. UnclePaco's block was a result of his edit warring, while XLR8TION's block was a result of edit warring, personal attacks and incivility. Might I also mention that XLR8TION has been previously blocked for said offenses. Thus, I felt 1 week was a suitable block duration. I appreciate the input, but I think the block duration is suitable (previous block durations were 24, 48, 24, and 48). I might have considered reducing the block duration, had XLR8TION not been so adamant that he had done nothing wrong. He attributed the edit warring to a firewall, but failed to explain the personal attacks and incivility.
As for the IP on Dominican Day Parade, Zenwhat removed his CU request per this diff. There has been no editing since January 4, 2008, so semi-protection is not needed. Nishkid64 (talk) 05:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Agueybana picture
Dear Tony-
I work with a non-profit film production company in California, and we came across a picture that you posted on wikipedia by Puerto Rican artist Agustin Anavitate of Juan Ponce de Leon meeting Agueybana. Its titled Agueybana.JPG. The reason I am writing is that we would be interested in possibly using it in an upcoming project of ours and we were wondering if you had it in a higher resolution than what is posted in the public domain. If you could please respond to me at [email protected] and let me know I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Tony and keep up the great work. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely- Brian Hall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.143.134 (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Please let me know why you undid the minor edits for consistency in the List of U.S. Marines. For example, you changed my edit on Gil Hodges from professional baseball player to baseball player. To my way of thinking, just being a baseball player is not notable. Other entries in the list show the Marines listed as “professional baseball player”. Also, minor grammatical edits provided consistency in the article, such as keeping the beginning of each entry as lower case unless it was a person’s title as the rest of this article reflects. Thanks. FieldMarine (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
George D. Zamka Why did you remove George Zamka from List of U.S. Marines? Walter Cunningham was an astronaut from 1963-1971 and retired from the Marines in 1976. Thus, he was a Marine the entire time he was an astronaut (and longer). Thanks. FieldMarine (talk) 01:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Answer to both your questions, simple human error. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Tony! FieldMarine (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
USMC Portal update
Did you get a chance to see the USMC Portal page that has been updated for January? — ERcheck (talk) 01:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Final article review?
Do you feel that you've made all the first round revisions you want to? If so, I'll give a final review. I won't get to it until tomorrow evening ... and it may take a little while, as it is such a comprehensive document. — ERcheck (talk) 03:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Any comments on the Portal? I welcome suggestions. — ERcheck (talk) 03:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: your message
Hiya, Tony. Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you; an FAC of fine has thus far not encountered favorable conditions, and after snapping at a member of the opposition I deceided to chill for a little while to get my head back in the game. In addition I have been running a number of errands these lst few days to prepare for my return to school, which will happen on Monday, and thus didn;t have a chance to log in until now. Oweing to the late hour (its going on 1:30AM here) I will put off reading your article until tomarrow, but it will be the first thing on my to do list when I log on. I look forward to reading it, and will correct any errors I happen to find. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Outstanding article, Tony. I made four small edit to the page, 2 of them MoS edits, one to sidestep and disambig page, and one to replacea lower case letter witha capital letter. Otherwise, it looks good to go. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Workshop
Looking through it quickly, it looks very good. You seem to have taken care of the problems (hopefully) that harassed you before. I will look through it more closely when you are ready. One thing I would mention under the definition of Hispanic, is that the U.S. census also included persons who self-identify as Hispanic. (Ironically, a person qualifying as Hispanic under the U.S. Census definition, if they self-identify as being in another category, the Census would put them in that category. None of the census questions asked anything about the specific cultural background of parents etc. The U.S. Census goes completely by what the people say they are.) Regards, Mattisse 14:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- On second thought, I take back the part about adding any more qualifiers to the definition of Hispanic. It is confusing enough! Mattisse 14:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
What do you think? Hoping to FAC it sometime soon. The First Indochina War is my favourite historical topic at the moment. Notice User:Red Gown (my partner) has done some copyediting, nice of her! SGGH speak! 14:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the encouragement. To obtain the that shell for a museum would be really something! SGGH speak! 10:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Mara Croatto
Listen, her father is Tony Croatto.
It wasn't me who gave the info that his father is of Croatian origins.
For your information, westernmost parts of Croatia were in areas that were after 1918. given to Italy (peninsula of Istria), after the division of Austria-Hungary.
After the Mussolini's fascist became ruling party in Italy, authorities started with violent Italianisation of area. There were fascost laws, that regulated the forced Italianization. Laws, in which "funny Slavic names" (beside others) were forbidden and was ordered to "restore them in original Italian form". (e.g. "Regio decreto legge 10 Gennaio 1926, n. 17: Restituzione in forma italiana dei cognomi delle famiglie della provincia di Trento").
Many Croatian surnames were violently Italianized then. Same was with surname Hrvatin (it literally means - Croat). Here's location of that village on fallingrain.com [3].
So, I don't understand you. How do you think that she cannot be of Croatian origins? Why do you find that categorization as problem? Kubura (talk) 07:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
My reply:
- I know who Tony Croatto was and who his daughter Mara Croatto is. I was the person who wrote about her.
This is not about what you, nor I nor what some other person may believe. Wikipedia is about "facts" which can be verified with a reliable source. I believe that you are aware of that.
We cannot assume that the Croatto surname was of Croatian origins nor that it originated from the Hrvatin nor that it was Italianized by Mussolini's government. It is not our job in Wikipedia to assume. Unless, a verifiable source is provided and cited as required by Wikipedia policy that the Croatto surname is of Croatian origins or that Tony or his daughter Mara have themselves publicly expressed the fact that their surnames are of Croatian origins, then it will be considered a "rumor" which is unacceptable under policy.
To give you an example, we cannot pretend nor assume that because Mark Cuban's surname is "Cuban", that it is of "Cuban origin".
You ask and I state:
- So, I don't understand you. How do you think that she cannot be of Croatian origins? Why do you find that categorization as problem?
1. I am not saying that she cannot be of Croatian origins. You provide a cited a verifiable reliable source where she states that "she" is of Croatian origins or that without a doubt that the Croatto surname is of Croatian origin and the issue will be solved.
2. I do not find categorization a problem. I find categorization of what is assumed without a cited verifiable source as "required" by policy a problem.
Tony the Marine (talk) 21:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, I owe you this source. Kubura (talk) 12:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Autographs
I was just doing some cleanup with AWB to fix links to Chyna. Could you please fix the link to her you have on your autograph subpage? You have it fully protected for some reason, so I can't do it. TJ Spyke 10:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Roberto Cofresí
Hey Tony, I was in a haste yesterday so I tried to add some info collected during the night before logging out, the thing is that the book is a compilation titled " El Mito De Cofresi En La Narrativa Antillana", wich was bought on e-bay so its a little old, and it cites several books, my guess is that is better to cite the books quoted instead of the complilation but that will require some sorting. There is still some info there, including a intersting note that Roberto used to sail under the flag of a free Puerto Rico because he supported independence, as well as several related myths. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- I believe he is only semi-active for now, but semi-active Eddie is still a great editor. I forgot to mention that there is also some material to add to Cofresí's capture and execution since there are two official versions. By the way your work in Teófilo Marxuach has been appearing a lot in my watchlist, are you are going to take it to GAC? - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- I see, now that you mention that I reacall that there is a policy that states that "a article that deals with a non-notable topic must be maintaned if it can receive a encyclopedic treatment" or something along those lines, there are people with a agenda that may opppose the existance of these articles claiming they are "not notable", but they can't delete anything that falls under this policy. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- The references are in place, my next work will be on the section about his capture and execution, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Certainly, and speaking of his spirit there are a lot of interesting myths that I will summarize and add to the influence section, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- I added some information to the "influence in popular culture" section and did some other tweaks in it (renaming and format) how does it looks? - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Certainly, and speaking of his spirit there are a lot of interesting myths that I will summarize and add to the influence section, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- The references are in place, my next work will be on the section about his capture and execution, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge proposal
Mr. Tony: A person who apparently doesn't understand this subject matter is proposing many mergers about PR-related articles. Have you seen this and the others? Agradeciendole, Buster germanson (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey. I saw you edited this section recently. I proposed it be deleted on Talk:Piracy and would like your comments on it. Right now there has only been one other person who has commented and I am trying to raise consensus on what do to with it. Thanks! Deflagro C/T 22:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Not sure what image
Hi Tony,
I got your message on my talk page. I'm confused as to what you are asking. The link you provided goes to a Google search page, not to an image.
— ERcheck (talk) 03:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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Re: Question
Hello Tony, I have seen you around also and am impressed by your work. There is nothing wrong with the "American military personnel of World War II" category, I was only removing it from articles that were already in its subcategory, Category:American military personnel killed in World War II. Articles generally go in the most specific category only and don't need to be the parent category also. It was just a little bit of category cleanup. See you around, jwillbur 06:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, "Jen" is fine. Thank you for the compliments, I will let you know if I need anything in the future. Happy editing, jwillbur 20:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thank you for welcoming me and including useful links for Wikipedia newbies. I have definitely been struggling with ignorance while experienced Wikipedians batter me. Best regards! ~RayLast «Talk!» 19:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Tony, This could be a difficult deletion to get through, as she has both a biographical article and an album article. I'm not sufficiently opposed to the content to put it up for deletion myself, however, if you want to have a go I will be happy to monitor your proposal and make any edits as necessary.
The process is described in detail at Wikipedia:Afd#How to list pages for deletion. Why not have a go and I will watch the page and assist if necessary? Regards, WWGB (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:Ada_Perkins_Flores.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Ada_Perkins_Flores.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Note: deletion nomination withdrawn by nominator. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Accents
My concern about biographical articles with accented names came as a result of reading the WikiProject Puerto Rico Conventions section that states that:
- Accentuation: use accents if the name of the article is either officially or commonly known with the accentuation (for example Mayagüez), including biographies of persons who use them when spelling their name.
I've also always agreed to spell people's names as they were given at birth, or as they spell their name themselves, no matter in which language the context is. I also left a message in the article's talk page so I don't clutter yours. ~RayLast «Talk!» 19:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Ada Perkins
Hey man! Great to see you are still around. I always enjoy your work on here. Still waiting to read on the Spanish Immigration article. Ada Perkins was one of my favourite Miss Puerto Rico's as well. I remember very well when she won and a number of the press went up in arms because she didn't look Hispanic and that the 1st runner up (Miss Lajas Iris Regina Martinez) should have won because she represented more of a Latin look. But others explained that it was beauty pageant and that the most beautiful won. The thing with her name is a mistake I read almost everywhere. The reason I know thatthe order was Perkins Flores and not vice versa is because her father was friends with my dad and my uncles. She had a brother and a sister. She actually babysat me a few times as a child and I remember as a kid playing with her hair which was very blond and I would play with the root to see where the skin began and the hair ended. I still remember her laugh and her eyes but also her death which was shock. I am not sure if this constitutes as 'reliable' info or not but I loved her as a person and I wish it were corrected the way that I am sure she would have wanted it. Crcam (talk) 03:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Ada Perkins
WOW! Congrats! Well deserved my friend. On Ada, no I don't remember her mom's name. Her grandfather was either Irish or Scot-Irish and immigrated to PR as a pharmacist or something like that. I was a kid so what I can tell you that I remember is that her siblings were younger, her sister's name was Something-Mari or Mari-Something. You know how we PR's kinda make up names for our daughters! her brother I do remember because he was named after his dad Osvaldo. Sometime after she was crowned my family went to an activity for the Comite Olympico de PR because my uncle was on the commitee and German Rieckehoff was a distant relative of ours (we descend from Carlos Rieckehoff and my family is from Adjuntas)and she and her family were also there. She was so happy to see us because she was bored to be on the stage sitting like a 'dama boba' and asked the people there if my cousin and I could join her and so we did. My cousin and I are both also blond so people thought that were her little bro and sis. If I am not mistaken somewhere in my mom's attic there is a TV Guia or Vea with a candid shot of us 3 on the stage. A riot huh? I remember asking my mom as a kid how come there were people unhappy with her win. And she said 'lo importante no es el colorido si no el contenido. Y ella era la mejor'. She died in either late April or May of 1980. I remember because we moved to the US on Mat 30th of 1980 and she had just passed. So when are we going to start work on our Spanish immigration project? we can do it via on-line and perfect it that way until it's ready to be publish. Let me know. Hope all is well and congrats again! Crcam (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Adan Perkins' death
Hey tony, I just nticed that on her page it says she passed away in 1978. She actually passed away in 1980. In 1979 she crowned Miss Mayaguez Audrey tersa Lopez and in the 1980 pageant she was present as well as Erik Estrada and he made the biggest 'huevo' by saying on live TV that Ada 'estava buenisima'. His Spanish was not so great. But she passed in 1980. Not sure if that's reliable enbough but there are pics on line of the 1979 crowning, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crcam (talk • contribs) 04:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Carlos Rieckehoff
VERY DISTANT! As a matter of fact, my full name is Carlos Raul Christiansen Arroyo. I am an actor and I go by Christian Arroyo. ck me out on imdb.com. tell you what, when I make it big here in Hollywood, you can write my wikipedia page! LOL BTW: I read the deal on Ada's picture being included in the Irish page and the Miss PR page. What was that person's problem anyway? Crcam (talk) 04:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Ada Perkins, etc.
Ok, re: the pic situation, it's kinda silly but whatever. If the wikipedia police were to enforce that then they would be on 24/7 looking and reading every single article and nothing would ever get published! I have a shot of Ada on my computer that I will send over to you. It's a candid shot with her family. It's funny because in retrosapect, she was not the only fair-haired blue eyed Miss Pueto Rico up until then. There were others, most notably Marisol Malaret and the young woman who crowned Ada (Maria del Mar Rivera) was also a blue-eyed blonde. I think some members of the press in PR wanted to start controversy not because of her Nordic looks but because of her surname being so un-Latin. Regarding the Spanish Immigration, I have been working on my geneological tree for some time and the books written by Estela Cifre de Loubriel have been a great help. Are you familiar with them? 76.237.43.130 (talk) 18:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Estela Cifre de Loubriel
Don~a Estela was a historian and a geneologist who did work to preserve and study our 'Hipanicness'. She wrote books such as La Formacion del pueblo Puertoriquen~o: La contrubucion de los Catalanes, Balearicos y Valencianos. Los Vascos, Aragoneses y Navarros, the Canarios and los Gallegos, Asturianos y Santanderinos. Fascinating works. She included tables, mini-bios, influences to our cultures and comparisions from town to town depending on the immigrants. She also includes the most common surnames in PR. She also wrote a book (it is HUGE!) on Non-Hispanic immigration to PR which details the contributions of the major grops such as the Corsicans, French, Irish, Germans. BTW: Did you know that out of our surnames the most common are Rodriguez and Rivera? 10% of our population has one or the other. 74% of our population has a Spanish surname, 16% is Corsican-French and the rest is divided between Italian, German, Irish, Danish, Scotch, English, etc. I got that from the book. 76.237.43.130 (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Rodriguez
Actually, I did know that! LOL! I found that in a book called Curisidades Puertorriquen~as. Hey, amn, I've done my research! Also, an Doctor uncle of mine in NY was a part of the team that investigated the whole Taino DNA stuf. He sent me documentation on it. It is so cool. Details so much stuf about our collective ancestry. Also, did you read in the page of demographics of PR something about our ancestry as of 2006? It is very confusing. If you ahve read it, can you decipher it? Because I can't! 76.237.43.130 (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)