User talk:LagoonGoose

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Happy editing! Selfstudier (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ARBECR[edit]

WP:ARBECR applies to your edits in the above topic area. That means that all you can do is make straightforward edit requests (see WP:EDITXY on article talk pages, that's it.

It's not necessary to use the formal template, but if you do not, make sure that any request is in the form change X to Y and sourced as appropriate. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 20:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean this edit I said why in my edit summary, not an edit request. Selfstudier (talk) 10:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier, no, I'm asking about the edit request, before that. You deleted my edit request as well?

I want to make another edit request about a different error on that page (one section misquotes or misinterprets the reference given for it), and I want to make sure that doesn't get deleted as well.

In the request you deleted I used the edit request template and I pointed out a bug on the page, I didn't have a "change to" because it looked like a technical glitch and I didn't know how to solve it. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Misinformation_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war&diff=prev&oldid=1224486866

But I don't understand why mine was deleted given what else is still there? The request above it is still there, and it is just vague feedback with no source. And above that there are long opinionated comments there from people who aren't even logged in?

I'm asking because I want to make sure I know how to write an edit request that won't get deleted.

LagoonGoose (talk) 01:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I will just try again, but if you deleted the next edit request, please write something more helpful than "not an edit request", please tell me what I need to do to make it quality as an edit request. LagoonGoose (talk) 01:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote WP:ARBECR as well, did you read it? It explains that you are limited to edit requests. And above I have pointed you to WP:EDITXY for doing edit requests, did you read that?

That link you have given above is also not an edit request and why I deleted it. If you are having problems with making an edit request, try the Teahouse for some advice. Selfstudier (talk) 08:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier can you give an example of how I could re write that linked thing as an edit request? LagoonGoose (talk) 06:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier, I couldn't offer a suggestion of how to fix the bug because I didn't know how. Is that the problem? Is the lack of suggested solution the only problem that made it "not an edit request"?

I did read the information about edit requests. I thought I understood it. I even tried to explain to the guy above me how he could improve his request. I understand why you deleted my attempt to give him suggestions, if there's a very strict "no other comments" rule that makes sense.

But what I'm confused by is why my bug report doesn't count as an edit request, and so it gets deleted, but his vague suggestion with no source etc. does count as an edit request and it still there? And why all the other stuff that's even less like an edit request I'd still there, from people who are not even logged in. Did the rule change recently?

LagoonGoose (talk) 09:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A bug report is not an edit request and has nothing to do with the page you are trying to edit. As I said above, if you are having problems, you can get advice at the Teahouse. Selfstudier (talk) 09:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier, but you deleted my edit request as well, why? LagoonGoose (talk) 10:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]