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Association of Serbo-Macedonians

Neutralization? Do you yourself actually believe that? --WavesSaid (talk) 05:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Biljana platno beleše

Where does Peters (2002) say it's considered Bulgarian? Where does Buchanan (2006) even mention the song? --WavesSaid (talk) 11:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It is explained exelent from Buchanan, while Macedonan folklore belongs to Bulgaria as regional, ethnographic area. As per Peters, the Macedonian folk songs from Blagoevgrad province are also part of Macedonian Bulgarian folklore. Ask also Miladinovi. In their collection even the characters from this folk song are Bulgarian women. Jingiby (talk) 12:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

So why didn't you say that? I suggest you reread Peters (2002) because she says nothing of the sort. Where does Buchanan (2006) even mention the song at all? Also, start using the 'preview' button when editing; you make even the simplest of grammatical and spelling mistakes in your frenzied edits. --WavesSaid (talk) 12:41, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, my Australian friend. Jingiby (talk) 12:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome. --WavesSaid (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

The inscription

Hi,

As far as I understood (and I don't speak Bulgarian) the inscription you mentioned do not refer to the picture above but to some episode wrom war. Will you please be so kind to check if the inscription actually refers to picture added to Chetnik article? If yes, plase be so kind to provide translation of the inscription? Thanks.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the caption under the picture says approximately the following: An episode from the Serbian-Bulgarian War in 1915-1918. Leaders of Serbian chetas, acting in the Moravian region, deep behind the Bulgarian army front-lines, capitulating after being persecuted, along with their bands, in front of the chieftain Tane Nikolov - one of the main Bulgarian vojvodas, who suppressed the Serbs' guerrilla actions. Jingiby (talk) 14:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Based on the image and my (obviously wrong) translation I concluded that Leaders of Serbian chetas on this image were not capitulating but armed, smiling and shaking hands with Bulgarian officers. Please double check the source of this image. It is mistakenly presented as http://www.sitebulgarizaedno.com (I am uncertain about its credibility based on the name) which is not the source of this image but only presents the scanned version of it. Наздраве! --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Nikolov was part of special IMRO gerila-units called contra-cheti. Fore more, on pp. 267-268, please. Jingiby (talk)

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Moravian population

Hi. The whole Czech republic has about 10 million people. You say 12 mill. of Czechs plus 1 Mill. of Moravians? It is 3 more! At the last census only about 600.000 people claimed Moravian nationality. The whole historical land of Morava has about 4.000.000 people. Your numbers are wrong. The questions is what numbers are right. Or, you think you know it better? Carlmarche (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC) Only the South Moravian region has over 1.000.000 people. Please do not leave a wrong information on the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic Carlmarche (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Not all Moravians, however consider themselves to be a distinct nationality. 07:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, what this has to do with the 1 million in the article? Neither you refer to the population of the ladnd of Morava, when it is around 4 milion or you refer to the nationality - it will be 600.000, you do not get 1.000.000 unless you are Harry Potter ;O) Carlmarche (talk) 15:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Population numbers in infobox

While you are working on the "Bulgarians", would you be so kind to update one of the population numbers in the infobox. Since the article is semi-protected, I cannot do the edit myself. The number of Bulgarians in Serbia is now counted to 18,543 (the source is http://media.popis2011.stat.rs/2012/Nacionalna%20pripadnost-Ethnicity.pdf). This will also move Serbia down one place in the list, after Cyprus. Kind regards, and Merry Christmas. --79.160.40.10 (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. Jingiby (talk) 16:28, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thx --79.160.40.10 (talk) 17:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Stop reverting

Bulgarian sources are not proper sources. The whole world knows about your lies, they are do no good to anybody so stop reverting and go write articles about bulgaria not Ohrid, Macedonia, and Macedonian revolutionaries.

Please, allow me to interject - the "Bulgarian" source is the diary by Hristo Uzunov himself. Uzunov expressed his Bulgarian identity and belonging. It would be better to stop to extrapolate today's political and ideological realities on the past of Macedonia.--91.216.253.66 (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

did exist wallachian population in the First Bulgarian Empire?

The bulgarian Historians consider that the Romanic population was exterminated!

Hi, the ancestors of the Romanized Thracians, later named Vlachs, who were not slavicized survived in some areas. However, I do not understand the context of your question. Are you a newly registered IP or a sock from another user? Jingiby (talk) 17:19, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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DNA

Srekna nova godina i Sreken bozhik!

I have not read the full article but I see what u mean . So what is the significance of the westward shift of Macedonians & Bulgarians ? Is it based on autosomes?

You've probably already noticed - bit Bulgarians and Macedonians almost have a perfect "balance" of all major European haplogroups - e, j2, r1a, R1b, I2. All at 15-25%. This is the cradle of European civilization Slovenski Volk (talk) 05:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia

I don't know, for what cause(?), are you deleting the images of the selected significant people originating from Greek Macedonia. They are all born or have heritage from "Aegean Macedonia" and have played a big part in her history or the history of the Balkan. Why are you constantly deleting them? Dr. Mr. Sea Fall Ph.D 10:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

This article is about the Slavic people born in Greece. Not about the Slavs from Ottoman Macedonia, nor about the Slavs from the Medieval Macedonia, i.e. Thrace. More, part from the images you have added are copyright violation: they have not a proper license, nor real author, neither proper date. On the other hand Delchev was born and died in Turkey, Gruevski is pure Yugoslav etc. Jingiby (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

 Comment: If this article is about Slavs born in Greece, then why in the article Macedonians (Greeks) we see pictures of Konstantinos Christou (born in the Ottoman Empire), Ioannis Papafis (Ottoman Empire), Saints Cyril and Methodius (born in the Byzantine Empire), Theodorus Gaza (Byzantine), Demetrius of Thessaloniki (Byzantine), Ptolemy I Soter and Alexander the Great both born in ancient Macedon. All of this men were born where Greece didn't exist, but they are considered "Macedonians". Then why can't the Slavic people who were born and had lived here before the Greek Independence be mentioned. That's what I want to know.Dr. Mr. Sea Fall Ph.D 10:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not surе, however тhe people from the images you have put there, were not from Greek Macedonia. Jingiby (talk) 10:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

 Comment: From those people only Nikola Gruevski and Vasil Tupurkovski aren't born in Greek Macedonia, but they have Greek Macedonian heritage as I had given references (see, see).Dr. Mr. Sea Fall Ph.D 11:11, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The only people born in Greek Macedonia are Voskopoulos and Tsarknias, which photos however are copyright violations. Jingiby (talk) 11:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

 Comment: Why are you bringing back this conversation about Greek Macedonia after the Greek Independence, I'm talking about Greek Macedonia as a territory. And the pictures of Voskopoulos and Tsarknias aren't a copyright violation, they are in the public domain.Dr. Mr. Sea Fall Ph.D 11:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

• I don't know what you mean by disruptive editing. I've got all the arguments and I have presented them to you here. If you want it your way, let it be then. If you want me to cease because of your stubborn spite, let it be then I don't mind. But you have to know that you're not always right. Yours truly Dr. Mr. Sea Fall Ph.D 16:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I am away from being always right. It is really possible I am wrong in this case. Lets discuss it on the article's talk-page. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 16:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

"Old" Macedonian

You wrote: Old differs from ancient. Ancient Macedonian is never called Old Macedonian What about this:

http://www.wordgumbo.com/ie/cmp/mace.htm Regards, Böri (talk) 08:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Really, I never have seen this. Jingiby (talk)

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My edit on Macedonian language [1] contained a very clear explanation why I considered that material inappropriate in that position. You nevertheless restored it [2] without responding to my objection in any form. This is unacceptable, disruptive revert-warring and will not be tolerated. Self-revert now, or at least provide a well thought-out reasoning on the talk page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Future. You have to read somethimes your own comments as for example as reverting here: Yes, some exist, but mentioning *them* in the lead is undue weight. This is for the Classification section. Following this, I realized that you have only deleted the text and sources, but you didn't replaced them into the Classification section. Afterwards, I just restored the deleted text and the sources in the Classification section. I really think, you are biased in this case. Jingiby (talk) 10:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Duh. The classification section already has plenty of coverage of how close the languages are. There's no need to add to it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but exactly such explaination was lacking until now? I don't find it before. Maybe we can gain a consensus how to correct it a bit. Jingiby (talk) 10:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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SRM

Thanks for the information. We have so much information about the western fronts in Europe and so little about the southeastern fronts. Politis (talk) 09:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

You are welcomed anytime. Jingiby (talk) 09:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Source misrepresentation regarding Torlaks

"Other authors from the epoch, take a different view and maintain that during the Ottoman rule the inhabitants of Torlakian area had begun to develop predominantly Bulgarian national consciousness"

You do understand that Kanitz and Blanqui do not support the above assertion? If Kanitz says that: "the inhabitants of Pirot [...] always feel that they are Bulgarians", it does not mean that Torlakian-speakers had begun to develop predominantly Bulgarian national consciousness. Please read Wikipedia:No original research.

Instead, it should be: "Jérôme-Adolphe Blanqui, when traveling across Bulgaria in 1841, describes the population of the Sanjak of Niš as Bulgarians. Felix Philipp Kanitz recalled in the end of the 19th century that the inhabitants of Pirot were divided on the issue of nationality; many in the older generation had fondess of Bulgarians, leading to a collision with the Serbian government."--Zoupan 07:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

And what is your conclusion, please. 07:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I will go on and change the OR-statement which you have added to several articles.--Zoupan 07:22, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I think, this text is an idea to NPOV: According to some authors during the Ottoman rule, the majority of native Torlakian Slavic population did not have distinct national consciousness in ethnic sense. Therefore, both, Serbs and Bulgarians, considered local Slavs as part of their own people, while local population was also divided between sympathy for Bulgarians and Serbs. Other authors from the epoch, take a different view and maintain that with the rise of nationalism under the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century the inhabitants of Torlakian area had begun to develop predominantly Bulgarian national consciousness, however after Serbia gained most the area in 1878 the population changed its ethnic affiliation predominantly to Serbian. Jingiby (talk) 07:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Voynuks

Hi,

I am uncertain about the reliability of one source which I intended to use in article about Voynuks. Will you please be so kind to help me and check this and this assertions about how Ottomans connected Voynuks and Bulgarians and let me know your opinion about the reliability of this source?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I am not familiar with this issue. I made a intrawiki link with the bg. article. What I find in Bulgarian is an article from the site Знам.bg: Войнугани (войнуци) and also an old publication from 1904, Д. Ихчиев - Исторически принос за войниганите /войнуците/. Jingiby (talk) 06:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

bias opinion

Why are you removing my remarks from the talk page of this article- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars ?!!Is it because you don't have a source to quote which states that bulgars and bulgarians are different people?!if you do have a source please quote it, if you don't have remove your bias opinion! From Leopard017

Please, read "WP:FORUM". Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 06:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I read it and I made an edit request with a solution how to improve this article. From Leopard017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopard017 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Jingiby, I believe that the source of this issue is that this user does not understand the purpose of hatnotes. I have replied at Talk:Bulgars. Cheers, —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Barnstar

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		I award you with this in recognition of many valuable contributions to Balkan history. Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Antidiscriminator. Jingiby (talk) 14:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Young Macedonian Literary Society

Response to previous message of Jinigiby. Two days ago you had deleted the recent changes I had made on the article about the Young Macedonian Literary Society. I don't actually see what arguments you have for doing so. I think on most of the material that I wrote I also put references to show the true value of it. I don't agree that you had to delete the whole material I studied and wrote, just because it doesn't go with your political concepts, ideas and affiliation. Yes, I actually am an ethnic Macedonian, but if you read the material closely you can see that everything I have wrote isn't under the view of the official accepted history of the Republic of Macedonia. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not a nationalist, and I don't write articles to give value to my ethnic group or whatever, I'm only interested in the hard fact history. You could verify that by taking a little time and reading the material that I had written.

Also, no I'm not a "sockpuppet" of any blocked fraud accounts like the ones you have mentioned. (User:Mkd07, User:William H. Nault).

I think that you would understand that I'm not a threat to Wikipedia, and that you won't delete my edits just because of my ethnic and national belonging. Thank you, Blok Glo (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC).

Please, do not delete reliable academic sources of information and the related with them textual conclusions. Also, please do not replace the relatively neutral secondary sources with primary ones, or even with Macedonian sources of questionable reliability. If you want to edis seriously the text, please discuss your proposals with other editors on the talk page. Also your style of editing is not too encyclopedic and resembles wall-newspaper or even advertisment. But you are not beginner here. That is clear. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Samuel lineage to Elizabeth II deleted edits

Thank you Jingiby, I was not aware about Dosnki actually until a Macedonian friend gave me some of his books and explained me the conspiracy against his nation from the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Albanians, the Zions and the free mason community. He said Alexander was Slav but Greeks also used to be Slav and they are brainwashed to believe they are Greeks. According to Dosnski the Queen Elizabeth and her ancestors Samuel and Alexander are also Slavs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.5.186 (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding a sock who I believe you may have dealt with

Hi! Since I believe you have dealt with this user quite a lot at Bulgars, perhaps you could take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Leopard017 if you have a moment, and see if you believe that the evidence that I have presented matches. Thanks, and cheers. Nymf _{talk to me} 19:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If I see, the case is already closed. Jingiby (talk) 05:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Bulgars and Bulgarians

Hi!
Why do you believe these two changes were unconstructive? I am referencing the fact that there is debate on the matter, and that the "Central Asian" hypothesis is no longer held to be indisputable. BigSteve (talk) 09:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, BigSteve! At first I will comment your edit on the article Bulgars as that: Throughout the second half of the twentieth century... That was a nonsense, because the last Bulgars have disapeared during the 12th century in Volga Bulgaria. The second your conclusion was: New research, however, suggests that the modern Bulgarian genome contains no traces of Central Asian DNA. The topic is about the Bulgars, not about Bulgarians. Also, one from the latest duscussions on the talk page Bulgarians ended with a conclusion that there is no need to comment anything about that nonexisting fact (Central Asian DNA in Bulgarians). Look also at the section Genetic origins into the article, Bulgarians please. Also the source, you have provided on both places: iGENEA (private company) is not reliable. It is not a scientific publicaton. About reiable sources in Medicine, check MEDRS, please. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 10:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I understand the "private company" stuff.

However, you are missing the point of the Throughout the second half of the twentieth century quote – it does not refer to the Bulgars living in the 20th century! It refers to scholarly opinion in the 20th century, the rest of the sentence makes that clear.

And the whole point about the origin of the Bulgars is that it is not known. Most of the wikipedia articles claim that they are a "Central Asian"/Turkic tribe, whereas the DNA/haplogroup evidence does not support this. Hence why I wanted to add that note to these 2 articles. Let's work out a compromise about how to do that.

Because, if the modern Bulgarians have no Central Asian DNA, then obviously the so-called "Bulgars" could NOT have been from Central Asia, i.e. Turkic, now, could they? BigSteve (talk) 10:38, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The prevealing scholar's opinion and the article's point of view are coinciding about the Bulgars' origins: Turkic people with some Iranian influence. Bulgarians aren't direct descendants of the Bulgars and they also have minor genetic Asiatic influence (1,5% Y-DNA, 1,0% mtDNA). Just read at first the whole of the article, together with the added sources. That all issue was disussed to dead on the talk page. Bulgarian sources are biased, i.e. they aren't neutral and only Sofia University Press and Bulgarian Academy of Sciences can be used, but very cautiously. The article is compromise at the moment and is result of a long work. If you can provide other reliable sources supporting your point of view (scientific publications from Oxford, Cambridge, Britannica etc.) just provide them on talk for discussion. If no, keep reading about thas issue. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

OK! ...for now :-) BigSteve (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm 203.59.155.116. I just wanted to let you know that I'm taking it easy. If you think I've made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! --203.59.155.116 (talk) 13:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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History of Macedonia

¿Improvement? Estimated; you changed my edition on the page about the history of the Republic of Macedonia.I found on that page (section Ottoman period) an expression in Spanish: "el come caca" (meaning the poop eating) and I delete it. I also rephrased the text, thus it would have more sense.I think so that was a real improvement.I turn back your edit. If you think I'm wrong, change that, but do not let the Spanish phrase that is silly and rude. I do not write English fluently but I do my best to improve the articles in this encyclopedia. Thank you.

Sincerely--Gustavo Rubén (talk) 02:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gustavo Rubén. Nevertheless I have removed a link to a strange site, unrelated to the issue Ottoman Macedonia, you had added. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jingiby it`s ok. The link was added by someone else. I hope we can continue working on this and other pages.--Gustavo Rubén (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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World Macedonian Congress

Hello, I am still checking and writing more detail and verified article about World Macedonian Congress, the one which you edited was uncompleted work.

About first edit (Removing of the vandalism about origin of this organisation and adding reliable and verified references), it is vandalism by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Macedonian. There are totally wrong information. In two of the references references I was not able to find that the Congress is ' ultra nationalist organization' and the last reference was broken links. I checked the text with more reliable references - statute of the Congress, Library of Alexandria and the Union of International Associations (where all international organisations are registered).

About your reference: Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, The radical right in Macedonia, Zdravko Saveski, Artan Sadiku, December 2012, p. 1. It mention 2 things about WMC: 1) WMC does not like Macedonia to change its name - Only a mad man can change his name, it is not ultra nationalist, but something normal. 2) WMC protsted when Albanian anthem was used in school (public institution), and WMC demanded Macedonian flags to be used in schools - Accoridng the law, it is prohabit a anthem of another country to be used in public institutions. Can you image the situation if in Turkish school (or another institution) Greek anthem is used? Or if in Bulgarian school Turkish anthem is used? About flags, in USA in every classroom there is USA flag. Does is make USA ultra nationalistic? No.

About vandalism of Nice Dimovski, the only reference is youtube video which is incorrectly translated and the world are taken out of real context and meaning. Also, Nicke's work is irrelevant for the World Macedonia Congress.

Hi, Some sources about Petrov and his organization:

• ...the probably most prominent World Macedonian Congress (a far-right international lobbying organisation that seeks to represent Macedonians all over the world). - Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, The radical right in Macedonia, Zdravko Saveski, Artan Sadiku, December 2012, p. 1.
• Crucial poll fails in Macedonia. Nationalists, who called for the referendum, conceded defeat but some alleged dirty tricks. "In 20% of the country, polling stations were not opened at all," said Todor Petrov of the World Macedonian Congress. "We will demand that the Supreme Court declares it irregular," he added. - Crucial poll fails in Macedonia, BBC NEWS, 8 November, 2004.
• The World Macedonian Congress, a nationalist group behind the referendum campaign, has adopted an alarmist stance. Its president, Todor Petrov, said the changes will force members of the ethnic majority out of Albanian-controlled municipalities. "Some radicals will use this as a means of ethnic cleansing. First they will damage windows and fields, burn churches and destabilize the community," Mr. Petrov said in an interview. Boundary Changes Put Ethnic Peace to the Test in Macedonia, By NICHOLAS WOOD, August 30, 2004, The New York Times.
• Todor Petrov, the head of the World Macedonian Congress, said foreign powers should crack down on the ethnic Albanian rebels who have seized sections of northern territory and secure the release of Macedonians alleged to have been abducted.The West also should pay Macedonia reparations because the NATO-led peacekeepers and UN administration that run Kosovo had failed to stop guerrillas and weapons flooding into Macedonia to fuel the insurrection, Petrov said. Nationalists block NATO route from Macedonia. Demands include rebel crackdown, August 19, 2001, Chicago Tribune.
• ...World Macedonian Congress, formed by people associated with VMRO-DPMNE, the largest opposition party in the republic whose platform is extremely nationalistic. - Loring M. Danforth, The Macedonian conflict: ethnic nationalism in a transnational world, Princeton University Press, 1995, p. 101.

Now about Niche Dimovski:

• ..."Скандалот со расистичката „Македонска молитва“. Терминот „Македоноиди“ беше промовиран од секретарот на Светскиот македонски конгрес (СМК) Ниче Димовски во неговата „Македонска Молитва“, кога лично Господ им се обраќа на Македонците: „Вашата мајка Земја со три раси ја населив: белата – Македоноиди; жолтата – Монголоиди; и црната – Негриди...“ - Кој сака да го смени идентитетот на Македонците во „Македоноиди“? Окно" 19.02.2012 Жарко Траjaноски.
• ..."Сега г-не Димовски сакам да ве прашам за Молитвата за Александар во која се спомнува дека е дојдено времето Македонско, па еве сега да ми кажете дали навистина е дојдено времето македонско? Н.Д. - Да навистина е дојдено времето Македонско, значи ние бевме како еден пациент во кома, и сега се будиме од таму после 2000 години,...Ексклузивно интервју во живо со Ниче Димовски во Радио Мелбурн.
• ...Режисерот на спотот Ниче Димовски ги обвинува политичарите, а не здравиот разум за реакциите. Спотот „Македонска молитва“, кој го режираше Ниче Димовски, а кој се прикажа на Македонската телевизија некаде околу Нова година предизвика многу реакции со тезите кои ги пласираше, како таа дека целата бела раса е зачната од Македонците или дека Господ постојано на Македонците-цареви им давал, како што и сега им дава, ама тие на сите ги раздаваат... „Македонска молитва“ против здравиот разум ("Makedonska Molitva protiv zdraviot razum"/"Macedonian Prayer against the sane mind") by Sunčica Unevska, online edition of "Utrinski Vesnik" („Утрински Весник“) daily, 1 March 2009. Jingiby (talk) 13:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

Some of the your sources are not reliable.

About Nice:

For example, Жарко Траjaноски is political party activist who attack Nice Dimovski indirectly attacking the ruling party. Also, Nice Dimovski was never vice-president of the Congress. One youtube video claimed that, and everyone take the wrong info from there. He used to be part of the Congress, but he was not vice-president. Vice president are: Ismail Bojda, Borce Stefanovski, Vangel Bozinovski, Frosina Tashevski-Remenski. In the time when his prayer appeared, he was not any official of the Congress. Nicke's work is irrelevant for the World Macedonia Congress. It is individual move.

About Todor Petrov:

I already explained to you about your first source. About your 3 other sources, they called him nationalist. There is a HUGE difference between nationalist and ultra nationalist. You can not say that Petrov and WMC are both ultranationalist. According to your source, they are nationalist, but not ultranationalist. It should be corrected. Alo,the article need a LOT more information. There is nothing about its activity, mision etc...

Hi, check again the sources, please. One of them clearly describes WMC as far right organization and another one as extremely nationalistic. "Utrinski Vesnik" and Dimovski's interview are reliable sources for Dimovski's case, then. Jingiby (talk) 15:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The source which you refere is written by ethnical albanian Artan Sadiku and is not neutral.It is not reliable source. The organisation is affilatet to UN international organisation, if it was ultranationalistic it will not be accepted.

Ultra nationalistic is not the only mistake. It article there a lot of mistakes. WMC was found in 1899. It is former Macedonian government in exile, and it exist as it in school history books. It 1990, after the fail of Commununist party, it was officially registered in Macedonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingsk (talk • contribs) 16:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

In addition, according to the statue, WMC is humanitarian organisation too.

About article of Todor Petrov, which you edited. Do you agree ultra nationalistic politician to be replaced with nationalistic? No reference desrcibe him as ultra nationalistic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingsk (talk • contribs) 16:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I sow that patroller edited both articles. I sow that he have put 'nationalist'. I think that we shell leave he as neutral editor to decide the content. Wingsk (talk) 18:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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New links

Hi Jingiby, thank for those interesting links. Like any person and any country, it is only natural for people to wonder to their origins and aspire 'ancient and glorious' ancestors, whether Thracians, ancient Maceodnians, Slovenian venethi or Bosnian "pyramids". It is acceptable and interesting for people 150 years ago, however, when people cling to such pseudo-science these days, it is ludicrous. My main view has always been that south Slavs are of course Balkan by blood, however, their identity - like that of every other nation in the world -is relatively new. Peoples' cultures and identitie are always changing and "being made". Even the Greeks forgot their "Greek roots" until Hellenophilic English gentlemen and Germans reminded them with regard to this. From Roman times until the Modern Era, the Greeks were "Romans", shunned the pagan "Hellenes", and hated the "barbarian" Macedonians. It is funny what political braniwashing can do to 'bend' 'historical facts' - to all nations and people. I don't know if you've come accross a guy writing on 'Zbornik' - Pavel Serafimov - who claims that the anceint Gauls, Minoans, everyone, was actually a Slav , LOL !

Lately, I have been focussing on the big , more ancient picture- the origins of Indo-European itself.

As well as more more findings about early Slavic Balkans. It appears that much of Balkans interior was unihabited in 7th and 8th century, except for coastal Dalmatia, Albania / Epirus, parts of Greece, and Ohrid region Macedonia spreading along the via Egnatia into south-east Bulgaria. These sites (Albania, Macedonia, northern Greece, SE bulgaria) all appear of asmilar, 'late Roman' character, despite the fact that sources clearly states that these areas were full of Slavs. Other inhabited areas were the carpathian basin and southern Romania. It thus appears that much of inland Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Bulgaria were unihabited, until the Bulgar arrival south of the Danube and their re-settlementof Slavic tribes in the 8th, into 9th centuires.

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Slovenski Volk (talk) 10:31, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Wow that's cool. Of course, the only problem with isoglossic analyses is that we cannot date them to any precise time without contemporary evidence. Same goes for that arguement about the distribution of ogan vs vater for Sebro-Croatian. All that we can state for certainty is, yes, the hinterland of Constantinople and Thrace instrictu sensu were long-lasting Byzantine strongholds, and that Serbo-Croat , as opposed to Macedo-Bulgarian probably had more to do with the Avars than with the "Sklaveni" and Antes. Kosovo and southern Serbia were undoubtedly part of Bulgaro-Macedonian. The name Kosovo itself tells us - just like thousands of similar endings in Macedonia and Blgaria - Tetovo, Turnovo, etc etc. I once wathced a documentary on kosovo - I thought the people were just speaking straight out Macedonian(!) Normally I struggle to understand Serbian unless I already have subtitles. Ie the Torlaks are just Serbianized M-Bs. Slovenski Volk (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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I have warned you twice today. I have also discussed on article's talk-page, but you did not. If you continue with blind reverts to delete a correct info, sourced with academic publication, I am going to report you. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You're the one using blind reverts. The claim by Detrez is not a proper source and it is misused. Kostja (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Y-STR variation in Albanians

I apologize, I was too rash. You were speaking of the publication and not haplotype variance. Pardon. Still, its WP:SYNTH Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 15:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Niš

First of all its Niš, not Nish - wtf is nish? Secondly its a Serbian Orthodox church NOT A CHRISTIAN church. Yes Orthodox and Catholic belong to the umbrella group CHRISTIANITY but its too broad. You have to make it specific so that people who aren't from Serbia know what type of church it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoravaiDrina (talk • contribs) 15:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Serbian Orthodox Church was established in 870. It is not possible such one to had existed centuries earlier. That what existed at that time, i.e. earlier was the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and every Orthodox Church built on Byzantyne territory, including Serbian territory after Serbia was founded in 822 till 870, belonged to the Ecumenical Patriarchate not to Serbia. Jingiby (talk) 17:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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IP 78.184.196.148

Hi Jingiby. Since I saw you reverted 78.184.196.148 (talk · contribs) on various articles, just FYI, I opened another SPI for Maurice07. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 18:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The number of the Albanians are wrong. Albanians are more than 11 million on the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.176.101 (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

OK thank you very much

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Bulgarians

Направих картинка с изображения на известни българи, по подобие на тези, които стоят на статиите за германците, англичаните, французите и др. и я приложих към таблицата в статията. Направих го, защото старият дизайн с няколко големи снимки с по една фамилия отдолу изглежда, меко казано, безумно. Извинявам се предварително на създателите му, но наподобява на надгробна плоча. Може да сме изчезваща нация, но все още не сме умряла нация, за щастие. Ако си ви харесва така, оставете си го. Няма смисъл да го слагам, а вие да го триете.  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumatro (talk • contribs) 18:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

It will be better to discuss your suggestions about the images in the info-box on the talk page of the article Bulgarians and to gain a consensus about your proposal with other editors at first. Thank you. Jingiby (talk)

A barnstar for you!

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	"Длабоко се извинувам" што Ви се мешам во ВМРО (внатрешна Македонска револуционерна организација). Stavo Culum 14:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Please give more constructive explanation for the removed edits for the article Blaže Konesk

Hi,

Could you please explain what is not constructive(see here: [6])about adding informing the readers that all the sources you have previously added were Bulgarian or the authors are Bulgarian?

There is nothing to be ashamed of.

BTW, next time when you give similar advice to someone please have in mind that you have been previously blocked for removal of the content and vandalism.

Regards,

Wikimk (talk) 10:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

As you can check after the last Macedonian source I have added, Koneski himself recognized that his village and his family were pro-Serbian. Also, claiming book as Historical dictionary of Republic of Macedonia is pro-Bulgarian is biased view. Jingiby (talk) 10:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

The controversial Bulgarian genetic section

I told you that Im not going to make an edit without any sources and yet you have reported for sockpuppet investigation. Have you even read what Ive told you on this talk page? You are showing so much ignorance here. You also seem to not have read and understood what Ive explained about the genetic section. This is how ignorant you are, or you seem to be like a corrupted computer system. I don't know now if you are really a human from the messages you are pasting, it actually seems like a virus. Now PLEASE do not report to the sockpuppet investigation centre because I have nothing to do with stormfighter or the warrior people you have claimed to the investigator. Maybe they are similar people who don't agree with how this article is explained. However im definitely not one of them or know them. I wouldn't change the section without any sources, I am going to find various sources that is reliable. Ivan1488 (talk) 18:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Im sorry Mr Jingiby, I won't edit without any reliable evidence.Chavdarov1 (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Keep calm. Jingiby (talk) 06:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

IMRO-BNM

I saw that you'v deleted the tags I've put of the article IMRO – Bulgarian National Movement. The article is obviously done under original research. Only few Bulgarian media news articles are put as references, which I don't see as reliable. Which comes to the notability of the article, it isn't mentioned by any other political researchers or outside media except the Bulgarian ones. I put the tags so the article could be improved and expanded, also so that reliable sources could be added. Blok Glo (talk) 13:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Bulgarian media and news articles are not reliable references about what? Jingiby 13:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

English Wikipedia articles must have a worldwide view on the subject. Blok Glo (talk) 13:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Please, stop your spam. Are there some disputed fact on this article or aren't? Jingiby 13:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Abcourse there is, I'm just disputing it. Blok Glo (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I would ask you to please do not threaten to block my account without a reason as you just did. I know you don't even have the rights to do that. And if you think I should be blocked please be more specific about what next time. Respectfully, Blok Glo (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

You we're the one that started the edit war, removing the rightfully places tags in the first place, based on the article's controversies in the talk pages. Secondly I know that you haven't even the user rights to block me, and if you did you need to have a good explanation which you certainly don't. Please do not track and dismantle my edits in different articles, stop threatening me for no particular reason. Hope you'll understand, Blok Glo (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC).

Almost none of the tags was placed rightfully, you have understand I hope. However, some of them were hanging until reliable sources were added or are still hanging where they are rightfully placed. Of corse, I don't have the rigts to block you and I don't wish your block. However I can warn you when you are wrong and if it becomes necessarily I may report you to the administration. Thank you. 11:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Blaže Koneski

Review Wikipedia:Citing sources. Andreevski (1991) does not mention this person's native language, and you've twice given the wrong page number for Kostov (2010). Make sure you format the citation correctly; at the moment it suggests that there are two authors, Kostov and Peter Lang, while the latter is actually the publisher. --124.169.245.119 (talk) 02:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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