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I've added info to an article with a supporting reference.
What I want to do is label the link, ie. Jacquizz Rodgers-Player Profile so that it isn't bare.
I've read the instructions over a few times, but am not getting it.
Anyway you can give some pointers.
I'm doing homework now, and I'm not exactly in a good position there. I need to look at it when I have time to really think out what it is possible for you to do. J.delanoygabsadds15:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not that big of a deal. I'm sorry for the tone of voice I used. I'm just frustrated now. My digital logic assignment is making no sense, and something is majorly wrong with my computer's physical memory, so it keeps freezing on me. *sigh*. J.delanoygabsadds18:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Huggle
Got a couple questions for ya on Huggle (as I see you use it). Do you have to be approved to use Huggle (like with AWB)? I downloaded it, but it wouldn't allow me to connect. Also, is Huggle like a browser (like FireFox or IE) or a program? Third, I am not the world's most knowledgeable when it comes to computer programs (AWB confused me...bad!), is Huggle easy to use. Thanks ahead of time for answering my questions. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • November 2, 2008 @ 01:34
Oh yeah, don't forget to set your clocks back tonight. - NeutralHomer • Talk • November 2, 2008 @ 01:39
OK, I'll answer your questions one at a time:
Do you have to be approved to use Huggle (like with AWB)?
You have to have either +rollback or +sysop to use it
Is Huggle like a browser (like FireFox or IE) or a program?
It is a stand-alone .exe, but it uses the .NET framework, so it won't run on Macs or on Linux.
Is Huggle easy to use?
Huggle is very easy to use, but it is difficult to master. Huggle's power is simply unreal; depending on your internet connection, you can beat ClueBot around 20-30% of the time. However, it is very easy to get carried away and start reverting stuff that is not vandalism. New users who dive right in, without easing themselves in to get used to it, practically always make quite a few mistakes.
Ah, that is why I couldn't get access, I don't have +rollback....which is weird, because I have rollback on TWINKLE. What would I have to do to get rollback access, just curious? - NeutralHomer • Talk • November 2, 2008 @ 06:20
You have utterly no idea how tempted I am to escalate the one-up-man-ship of barnstar giving..... Thanks! And if you're getting comments like that, you must really be doing something right, so good job! J.delanoygabsadds02:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
That'd be great. I've just started using Huggle about a week ago and I never knew how much vandalism there was on WP. Thanks! Wysprgr2005 (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. I normally don't do that "discretionary sanctions" thing, but with the elections so close, I think we need to crack down hard on troublemakers in those pages. It's bad enough without the trolls. It seems like everyone who has ever registered an account here is coming out of the woodwork. I don't even want to think about Monday afternoon, or *eep* Tuesday afternoon, when we get to deal with the trolls, POV pushers, political activists, and bored schoolkids... J.delanoygabsadds06:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I know, normally it's better to assume good faith, help new editors, and all. But I agree with you. Many of these accounts adding this stuff also seem to be sleeper accounts, with very few edits, and not active for a long time. Yes, it's going to get much worse. There's an unprecedented amount of fear and anger around this election, and I thought 2004 was bad in that regard. ~ priyanathtalk06:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
2004 wasn't as bad as 2000, but 2008 is far worse than either of them. I can't personally remember any before 1996 (didn't care....), but from what I've read, it hasn't been even close to this bad since Nixon vs.HHH in 1968. J.delanoygabsadds06:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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Pardon my lack of "wikiquette" on the part of Lyle123, but that kid has been a pain since day one. Worse, I actually tried to reason with him. I offered his last sock the chance to be mentored and he not only ignored me, he did another Hollywood-fueled nonsense article. Now that it's off my chest, I feel better. I hoped that there was some way to get through to him so that he didn't waste our time and his, but there is something very wrong with that individual's head. Thanks for the nice note. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 06:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for blocking 70.167.208.197, That IP address is mean. I told them to stop writing mean comments and they kept doing it AND they vandalized my talk page. How uncivil. Reliable♪Forever (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Killing people is the entire point of a war. Saying that it has be cited is like saying that you have to cite that the sky is up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.204.98 (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Header added 3
You deleted my page Jonathan Nathar, which in Australia is a cult following figure.
There is plenty of other pages that are not legit, so if you want to protect Wikipedia, then go take off those pages, instead of a honest page dedicated football player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jords.1992 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Dude. Seriously. No offense meant, but you are utterly ridiculous. Playing Australian Rules football in the 4-2 BC era? WTF? We're trying to build a serious encyclopedia here. Go to Uncyclopedia if you want to joke around. By the way, can you tell me the names of all the other non-legit pages Wikipedia has, so I can delete them too? J.delanoygabsadds01:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
User talk:67.64.118.97
Hi there, you've added a final warning for the same article that I left a 2nd to final warning. Now, I hate vandals as much as the next guy, but that's just not fair :) I'm guessing it was a mistake. You may or may not want to correct this, it's up to you. Thank you! Mononomic (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your note. What happened is, he vandalized it, and you reverted and warned him. He vandalized again almost immediately after you warned him, and I reverted and warned. SO, I think I'll leave the warning there. If you want to remove it, then go ahead, but I think it was legitimate. Thanks for letting me know, though. J.delanoygabsadds02:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, wow! I didn't even see that, but now that I go back in the archives it appears you are right. Sorry for the confusion! Mononomic (talk) 02:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Please don't apologize. I'd rather get a false alarm than have a legitimate error go unaddressed. So, in that regard, thank you for taking the time to let me know that I may have made a mistake. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds02:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
GC article
You have treated my edit on GC_(gene) as vandalism but it is not. It would be helpful if you read what you delete as it clearly was not vandalism. Here is what I wrote on the talk page but someone else has removed that!
I had also entered the amino acid sequence for the first (of 3) domains. I added the spaces to allow for soft line breaks. I have not added this back in as it looks like random letters, but makes sense to those working with protein sequences. The letters represent amino acids. Perhaps wikipedia does not wish to have protein sequences included (this may be reasonable) so I have posted it below for yourself or another to consider transferring it to the article if it has merit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.43.26 (talk) 02:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The IP user has been unwilling to enter the current discussion the talk page and prefers to continually edit pages. His last 3 IPs have already been blocked but he just changes his proxy server to edit the article again. Anyway to stop this? I have been hesitant to do further edits with the continued vandalism on the page. Planenut(Talk)04:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought he already said he was gathering data for a rangeblock. Did I interpret the RFPP statement incorrectly? Tan | 3904:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Seems the IP range is 60.50.*.* by the looks of it, unless if the IP concerned can change from 60.50.*.*. to another range, I would strongly suggest heavy monitoring of the AirAsia page. --Arnzy (talk·contribs) 04:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Done — 60.50.16.0/20 blocked (anon-only; account creation disabled) for 1 week. I will continue to watch it, though, because his ISP has a much larger chunk, and it is not impossible that he may be able to get another IP range. J.delanoygabsadds04:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Thx for your response then why you want to stop me to do so? You know what is the thing that you keep on undo? What is the different between: {Up coming routes in 2008 are} and {future plan}? I would like to know your definition about this? which 1 you think is more suitable? Thx.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.54.169 (talk) 05:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey
Hey J.delanoy. If you're not busy, I've been writing an AIV Console for wikisysops that makes it easier for admins to block users that are reported. It shows the users contribs and you can block from within the app. However, since I'm not a sysop, I cannot easily test it. I know that everything works besides the blocking, which I'm unsure about. If you get the chance, could you try it out please? It's on aivconsole dot googlecode dot com. Thanks, DavidWS (talk) 14:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
What language is it written in? I downloaded the file, but not even Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition could open it as anything but a binary. J.delanoygabsadds15:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
VB6 :D. Do you want me to run home and upload the sources? Right now it is just a binary. If you want to see the source just tell me. DavidWS (talk) 15:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I uploaded the sources to the googlecode page. Yeah, I wrote in VB6 for no particular reason really, except that those apps tend to run in WINE better and are very lightweight. DavidWS (talk) 16:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay. You're going to have to either give me a compiled .exe or the source .vb files. Preferably the .vb files. Your .7z files simply do not open. Try zipping the whole project and sending it to j.delanoywikigmail [dot] com. J.delanoygabsadds17:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
...And nevermind again. I'll see if I can export the code into a VS 2005 project. Why doesn't MS understand the concept of backwards compatibility? (and why doesn't my school understand the concept of occasionally updating their software?) J.delanoygabsadds17:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
YAY!!! VB 2008 won't install. I really don't have time to fight with this now. Is there an option to export your project in compatibility mode for VB 2005? If not, I won't be able to look at it until Sunday night at the earliest, and maybe not until Monday or possibly even Tuesday. J.delanoygabsadds17:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, actually, it's visual basic 6. I told you I wanted it to run in WINE, so I wrote it in an older language. What happens with the EXE? DavidWS (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
The EXE file won't even open, it doesn't want to read the HTTP wrapper, so I was trying to look at the code to see if I could figure out why. Unfortunately, the project source code files are stored in a different way that VS 2005 does, so I can view the code, but I can't view the GUI or test-run the program. J.delanoygabsadds22:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm. Then I'm not quite sure how to approach this. Once I get home, (or more likely, tomorrow), and I get to my desktop, I'll see if VS 2005 has an "import" function to open projects designed in older versions. J.delanoygabsadds02:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
No, it doesn't. .NET and VB6 are TOTALLY different languages. It does have a pathetic converter function, though. (Doesn't really work). DavidWS(contribs)20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but it is apparently not over yet. If he vandalizes again while I'm on, I will block his entire ISP for 8 hours just to prove that I can do it. If he continues after that block expires, I will email his ISP. J.delanoygabsadds15:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi J, Please block IP 173.89.225.38 and semi-protect article.
Anti-Wright/Obama 527 TV ad is causing problems. Thanks, IP75 (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Looks like someone else nabbed the IP. I semi-ed the article for 48 hours, there's no reason why we should have to deal with that tomorrow... J.delanoygabsadds20:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I got the accountcreator tool access, but I'm now getting an error saying that I reached my max # of accounts per IP (which I share with 1000 other users). What do I have to do to get the accountcreator user right added so that I don't have the cap? All of the accounts I have created have been requests from ACC, not like I am creating accounts for myself here. Thanks, --Terrillja (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that throttle is in place so that vandals can't create hundreds of sockpuppets. The throttle can be removed by requesting the account creator right at WP:RFPERM. Generally, to be granted the right, you have to consistantly hit the create limit, so you may want to wait a few days before you apply for the account creator flag. J.delanoygabsadds22:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, OK. When I have some time I will try and add some suggestions for more info to the talkpage, it has to be one of the least-documented tools out there.--Terrillja (talk) 22:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was asking about getting Rollback on IRC, and a few people suggested I ask you. So, here I am :). Mainly I intend to use it for anti-vandalism with Huggle. Baddog144 (talk) 03:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey Baddog.
I'd really like to see you get a little experience fighting vandalism using the undo feature and/or Twinkle first. Huggle is very powerful, and even now, I make errors with it, despite having used it for 2/3 of a year. It is best to get good a bit of vandal-fighting under your belt before you break out the big toys. After a week or so of fighting vandalism, or after around 100 - 200 reverts, I'd be happy to look your reverts over and give you rollback if you do well with undo or Twinkle. Or, if I'm not on or something, you can place a request on WP:RFPERM. J.delanoygabsadds03:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
You seem to revert pretty fast. Even when I press the Q key to revert vandalism, I still sometimes see your username in the reverted version. Is there a feature in Huggle that I may not know about? Another question: how to you revert more than 1 edit at a time in Huggle? -- IRP☎02:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I revert so fast primarily because I have a pretty good internet connection, and I have more than 8 months of experience too. I revert more than one at a time when I click "revert" again before Huggle can process the previous request. This is most likely a result of my (rather pathetic) upload speed. I may be able to speed you up a bit. Do you know what your internet connection speed is? J.delanoygabsadds02:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
How would I revert to a specific revision without leaving Huggle, such as if a page has been vandalized by 2 or more different users? -- IRP☎02:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
See the little blue left-and-right arrows? Those page back along the article's edit history. When you get to a non-vandalized version, press "R" to revert to that version.
As far as your connection goes, it's pretty good (slightly faster than mine usually is, actually). OK, log off Huggle, hard-refresh your web browser, and log back into Huggle and let me know if you see any difference. J.delanoygabsadds02:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see your username on my reversions right now...did mine appear on any of your recent reversions? -- IRP☎02:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
To IRP: I got off Huggle since I have to submit like a zillion homework assignments. So I haven't seen you, and that may be why you haven't seen me.
To VD: I changed IRP's huggle.css. That's why I asked him to log out and then log back in. My CPU is a dual-core AMD Athlon TL-60X2 running @ 2.0Ghz with 512KB cache. My internet connection is ~5.5Mb/s downstream and ~400 Kb/s upstream. I am also running on approximately 8.5 months of experience and more than 50000 reverts and 50000 warnings. :D J.delanoygabsadds03:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh wow. Well, could you maybe do the same for my huggle.css? Not sure if that would help a lot, since I'm running a 700 MHZ Celeron. Also, I'm pretty sure I've got a 6 Mb/s downstream, since Comcast has recently doubled it's connection speeds.VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me03:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, Done. Log out, yadda yadda, like I said above to IRP. If it runs slower, just revert my edit on your huggle.css. What I'm doing is telling Huggle to preload the next five diffs. This means that Huggle will download the next five items in its queue and load them into RAM so that it can display the diffs faster. Internet connection speed has more of an impact than your computer hardware does on how well this performs, but I have not tested this on anything slower than a 1.0GHz single-core Intel-something-or-other-that-I-can't-remember. J.delanoygabsadds03:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Huggle so slow.... seems to freeze upon "Retrieving user whitelist". Wikipedia's probably overrun with users looking for election info. 02:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC) Nevermind, works now. VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me03:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, JD. As always.
Damn, I went and did exactly what I promised myself I wouldn't do and I went off on that Hollaback idiot. Can that string be blacklisted or can we pop a range block on that account? I've seen single-purpose editing here, but this "girl" takes the taco. I'm actually convinced that she is a "he." --PMDrive1061 (talk) 07:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A checkuser blocked his/her IP about 3 or so weeks ago, and I think the block finally expired. I asked the checkuser to look at it again, so if we're lucky, he'll block the moron for a couple of months. J.delanoygabsadds13:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you have the original sockpuppeteer's username? I have been adding sock notes to all of the users that I have found, naming User:The_Hollabck_Girl as the puppeteer, but if there is already another sockpuppet category open, I can change the sock templates over so they are all in one place. In other news, I got tired of finding socks and not being able remember who the puppeteer was, so I now have a sock list, keeping all of the puppeteers I have found in one place. --Terrillja talk15:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I had tagged them so I had a better idea of how they were naming their socks, since I tend to watch the user creation logs. --Terrillja talk16:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I'm glad you're telling it like it is as well. I have a couple of article ideas and some photos to upload; it'll get my mind off of the asylum side of this site. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed you deleting a lot of proded articles today that I had on my watchlist because I had added a prod-2 while "patrolling" them. I hope you don't mind if I ask you a question about this. Does the prod-2 actually help by, for example, reducing the time you need to take to check the article? I spend quite a lot of my time checking through prods (mainly to ensure they should be deleted, haven't been contested and the prodwarning has been applied) but I then apply the prod-2 if I agree with the reasons. If it doesn't help admins during the deletion process then I'll save my effort and not put the prod-2 on! Thanks. Unusual? QuiteTalkQu17:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the site I created for the Outagamie Outlaws has been deleted. I was wondering what the reason for this is? It didn't meet any of the four main reasons for deletion. Can you please reinstate it?
We have the 'hope' and the 'change', just not the protection level. Question: Why the **** wasn't this full protected earlier?? Vandalism, edit warring, didn't anyone have the foresight to full-protect, at least until the hype died down? Anyway, keep up the good work. --Flewis(talk)07:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know. In any case, I protected it solely because there was a lot of reverting and now it seems like the last one, which prompted me to protect, may have been in error. J.delanoygabsadds07:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)re
Somebody once told me how to ditch the ads at the top of the page. I don't remember how. A change to my monobook? Yesterday, they came back. ("Support Wikipedia: a non-profit project. DONATE NOW") Do you know if it's possible to get this out of the way again? I find it highly distracting. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, JD, I'm not trying to use a bit of editcountitis on you, but did you know that you're now amongst the top 15 Wikipedians with the highest edit count? Sometimes I believe you're like a human computer when you make all those reverts.. SchfiftyThree(talk!)22:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
No, someone reported him. But thanks for asking, I've never considered trying to type what karate sounds like. That was amazingly fun :D J.delanoygabsadds03:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
You are all over these vandals today! You're just makin' Huggle earn its keep right now, eh? Keep up the damn fine work! GlassCobra20:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Your wannabe kate almost crashed my browser just now! You had more edits last month than I've ever had, and more edits already this month than I've had in the past three. That's....insane. GlassCobra21:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello, J.delanoy. You have new messages at Addshore's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Did you ever resolve to your satisfaction who the megafauna guy is? I made a note on Alison's talk page that it is many IPs, but all from the 125.164.* range. See bottom of [1].
They're back and probably have been going at it all the time. I just happened to notice another change which blows me away, categorizing a redirect? Is there any reasoning behind this? Or with this? Shenme (talk) 01:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
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You just reverted my edits to HEMP.
The information I entered (about materials - hemp plastics) was not included and is potentially the biggest industry for hemp. I am an author of various hemp books and ask why you reverted this page?
Not sure when this was posted, so here is a timestamp for the bot J.delanoygabsadds06:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Google searches for my name
Hi J.Delanoy,
An overzealous friend of mine tried to write an Article about me for Wikipedia. I didn't meet the criteria, no problem. But now when some one google searches my name this comes up -
My name
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* 03:30, 7 November 2008 Esanchez7587 (Talk | contribs) deleted "My name" (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible)
* 02:41, 7 November 2008 Esanchez7587 (Talk | contribs) deleted "My name" (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible)
* 06:11, 6 November 2008 J.delanoy (Talk | contribs) deleted "My name" (Speedy deleted per (CSD A7), was an article about a real person that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject. (TW))
Which is very embarrassing for me when potential clients Google search me.
Is it possible to erase my Name and Title from Wikipedia? Or is there any way to have these messages erased and "No File" or somethig come up instead?
Or do the Bots erase these Deleted articles? Please let me know, I would really like to resolve this.
Actually, upon further inspection, I don't think any action on my part will do anything. Google indexed the page before it was deleted, so until Google updates their index, that result will stay there. Google typically updates their entire index about once a month, so I don't know how long it will be there. I wish I could help you, but I hope you will understand. J.delanoygabsadds22:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey
I've seen you around wikipedia and on a lot of IP userpages giving warnings, so I thought i'd ask you this question. While I was patrolling, I ran into this userpage. It seems like this guy is building an attack/hoax page. I wanted to ask you what the best procedure to take about this is. Thanks. ~Beano~ (talk)(contribs)02:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh Okay, thanks. Another question, regarding youre statement, I dont really seem to tolerate wikidrama/melodrama. Kinda gets annoying afetr a while. I know its offtopic, just asking for advice. Ive been here, on wiki, since june, and i think ive chnaged a little. Anyways, thanks thoguh. For your statement. Cheers! G ! B B i 3I4m 733t0rz 02:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Me again. :) When one edits User talk:Coren, one gets a snazzy preloaded message. I am considering that this may be very useful at the WP:DRAW, which has gone insanely busy since it was linked in WP:YFA. (There are only two of us working there at the moment.) Is it possible? Even if it is, mind you, I might not get consensus for it, but since we mostly get brand spanking new contributors there, I thought a preloaded message reminding of WP:C, WP:BLP and a few other things could help. If you don't know, I'll pester Coren. But I thought I'd start by pestering you. :) --Moonriddengirl(talk)12:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Just put whatever you want on MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Drawing_board. I'm not absolutely certain that will work, but I am much more than 99% sure.
To put a notice like that on any page, just create the page: MediaWiki:Editnotice-[namespace ID#]-[page name] with whatever you want to show up on that page. However, there is, as far as I know, no way to tailor a separate message for subpages. Apparently, the first "top level" message is displayed on all subpages of the original page that are in the same namespace. For example, MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Administrators' noticeboard is (or was - someone blanked it) displayed on WP:AN, WP:ANI, and WP:AN/3RR, but not WT:ANI. To find out the namespace ID, normally what I do is look at someone's contributions, and pull down the menu that you can use to filter the person's contribs by namespace. The namespaces are listed in the correct order. (Article) is "0", Talk is "1", User is "2", User talk is "3", etc. J.delanoygabsadds18:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll look at it as soon as I can, but I don't know when that will be. I have a project for one of my courses due on Monday, and I don't know how long it will take. And when that's done, I have a smattering of other stuff to do as well. Maybe tomorrow afternoon sometime? J.delanoygabsadds18:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully, otherwise, do you know any user who could help me get this article created? I just want to tell you the reason why I work on articles in my userspace is because I'm tired of them getting PRODded. I'm afraid that if I move it into the main space now, it will get PRODded. -- IRP☎18:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I came across some IP strangeness, and upon linking to different contribs pages, I came across this diff. As much as I am opposed to IP vandalism (being a reformed vandal myself) I have to admit this is counter productive IMO. I'm not saying your block was counter productive, I'm referring specifically to your ill devised wording which includes profanity, and a threat to not only block his dynamic range (which is possible), but a further treat to "have his internet service provider terminate his service". Also, just an FYI, an ISP has several network nodes, and the above mentioned user was only using one, therefore it wouldn't be possible for you to completely block his ISP based off his IP information alone. Cheers, DigitalNinja20:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
The reason I used wording like that was because elsewhere he was gloating about how he has many IP addresses available. Looking back, I would not have said what I did, but I was frustrated that idiots can do that to evade their block so easily. But you are wrong about me blocking his ISP. It is possible to determine what his ISP's range is merely by looking at one IP address - by doing a WHOIS on it. According to this, his ISP has the range 60.48.0.0/13. To block his entire ISP, I would block 60.48.0.0/16, 60.49.0.0/16, 60.50.0.0/16, 60.51.0.0/16, 60.52.0.0/16, 60.53.0.0/16 and 60.54.0.0/16. It is possible for me to completely block his ISP, but I would not have done so. At the time I wrote that to him, I thought he had a /14. Unfortunately, a /13 is more than 500,000 IP addresses, so I would not block all of them unless he was doing very insidious vandalism, which he was not. J.delanoygabsadds21:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I can understand your frustration. Sometimes, I want to reach through the screen and strangle people. I was just explaining how I felt, thats all. I'm grateful when someone gives me their prospective on my decisions, which happens quite a lot at work much to my dismay. However, it always seems to make me more objective in the decisions I make. Anyways, I'm glad you weren't serious when you threatened to block his entire range. And you or correct that you could block his entire network node, but keep in mind that Telekom Malaysia has many more than a mere 500,000 IP address, so obviously you couldn't block that entire ISP unless you find out and block every range in their first octets, not just the last three. However, I understood what you meant and obviously the vandal did as well. My point simply was it was a bit harsh and could of potentially triggered an, "this jerk doesn't know who he's dealing with" response which would have escalated the problem as then the vandal would have a point to make. So, overall good job on the block, just less testosterone :) DigitalNinja21:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
For example, depending on the dynamic IP range settings determined by the ISP, It's possible to do this, which I just did. It poses issues for dealing with vandals, obviously, so it might just be easier to "block and forget" in cases like this. Cheers, DigitalNinja22:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Haha! Please tell me you don't think I would actually try that :D In any case, I can't. Admins can only block a /16 [2]. I heard somewhere that devs can do a /8 without having to manually configure their servers, but considering that a /8 is of the entire internet, I doubt they would. J.delanoygabsadds22:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to correct you but the information is incorrect and the wrong country name is used. This player is either Serbian or Albanian, and as he has an albanian name but is from Serbia then its only correct to issue him with the albanian flag, not the one which is currently in place which is the flag of an illegal false de-facto nation therefore wikipedia is providing false information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.245.235 (talk) 23:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
No, you are wrong. The reason I reverted you is because you are breaking the hyperlinks to the other article. If you wish for me to stop reverting you, you will first have to gain consensus for your changes, and then you will have to move the target article. Please do not continue to break the links. J.delanoygabsadds23:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Read what i wrote please. I was just correcting the false information put up, something which you keep reverting to invalid information, i advise you to read up on the subject. As I wrote, false information is being provided to the readers by stating the place is in a province of serbia which is put down as its own country, something it is not. Please investigate the subject in order to learn that a) you are wrong and b) you were wrong to correct me. This would avoid further embarrassment on your behalf. all i ask is for you to provide the readers with a bit of truthful information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.245.235 (talk) 23:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
You may say what you wish about the status of Kosovo. Wikipedia is not a battleground, and regardless, as far as I know, the vast majority of native English speakers are at least sympathetic to the ones who have declared independence in Kosovo, judging by the response of their governments. Thus, most people who view that page will not think that it is incorrect.
I personally do not really care whether it is a country in its own right or no. What I care about is the fact that regardless of whether Kosovo is a country or a province, the linked article specifically mentions the phrase "Kosovo". Changing the link to say "Serbia" - regardless of anything external - will break the link. Period. If a link points at a page that does not exist, the link will not work. This is separate and independent of anything in the physical world. If you disagree with the naming of the target, please follow the steps I outlined above. J.delanoygabsadds23:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Dont care about the computer stuff to be honest. I am not only saying what I wish about Kosovo I am actually saying the truth, it doesnt come down to what the english speaking people think, its the actual truth that matters. Do you follow me? and as wikipedia is not a battleground as you stated, but an online encyclopedia, therefore the encyclopedia has to tell the truth, not lies, not what the english speaking community thinks because it, like yourself have been brainwashed by pro american nonsense and the western media and fail to look into the truth of the matter. Understand? So go and read up on it, both sides of the argument, realise that you have caused further embarrassment. Its not what the majority thinks, its the truth that matters. Like i have numerously outlined, people shouldnt be provided with false information. I hope i have managed to teach you a think or two about this matter. ALL THE BEST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.245.235 (talk) 00:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't mean to offend you, but you have just outlined this satirical essay almost perfectly. Wikipedia does not place "The Truth™" in its articles, because "The Truth™" is different to different people. This fact (that the truth means different things to different people) should be obvious to you considering that quite a few countries have officially recognized Kosovo as an independent country. Thus, we do not place that which is "The Truth™" in our pages, we put that which is verifiable, and we decide the exact phrasing of article via discussion and compromise. If you disagree with something, you need to discuss it with other editors and gain consensus with them before making controversial changes. J.delanoygabsadds00:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
no offense taken, i'll take it as a compliment. it seems that you are unwilling to accept my very valid point and put across some rather moot points. it seems the the pro american/western/anti russian approach to things appeals to yourself so your inability to consider the 2 sides of the story and stick with what you believe is best proves it all. i think you for your time and hope that the future allows you to develop your abilities to keep an open and non stubborn approach to certain issues.all the best
It was created because practically all wikis require you to create an account before you can upload an image. With the text-based version, they can vandalize pages without having to go through the trouble of creating accounts and uploading images. J.delanoygabsadds00:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! BTW-We have dealt with this Anon over the past few years; he is quiet and then starts doing global edits. We, through discussion and consensus, are beginning to get somewhere on this article. We hate to see this locked up again but is there another way to address this issue?
Thanks!!
Preventing users from editing Mathematics because of a perceived problem, resulting from a dispute with an administrator, when no actual changes have been made seems rather arbitrary. I started the discussion with the intent of allowing a discussion to go forth, not to start an edit war. If you will check, there have been no edits so far in regards to this topic, and protecting articles in this manner only serves to discourage new contributors. --MeatJustice (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure you are speaking of the right article? Because this is not a result of a dispute with an administrator, and the problem was not merely "perceived". It was absolutely a problem, and it will remain a problem for the duration of the school year. If I unprotect that page, I can practically guarantee you that it will be re-protected within 3 days. J.delanoygabsadds01:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the source of your user page (current version) because I wanted to check a detail of the babel box syntax, and found the wiki source code to be intentionally awkward. As such, it may not be possible to copy it under the terms of the GFDL -- see the requirements re Transparent copy in section 3, and the definition of Transparent in section 1 ("A copy made in an otherwise Transparent file format whose markup, or absence of markup, has been arranged to thwart or discourage subsequent modification by readers is not Transparent."). I know you're just having a bit of fun with it, and I don't particularly want to spoil your fun, but the GFDL is so fundamental to the success of this project that we can't afford to have pages that can't be copied compliantly. Regards, — Alan✉13:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Umm, no. All the code is at an appropriate place where it can easily be accessed if you knew what to look for. In fact, it is only three mouse clicks from this page, including the one to "view page source", no keyboard action required. I have actually had at least three people take advantage of their knowledge of HTML and Wikimarkup to vandalize me and to play a prank on me. There is no GFDL requirement that I put code in a specific place, and transcluding code to another location does not constitute making a copy of it. J.delanoygabsadds14:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I think you've missed my point, so sorry if I didn't explain the concern clearly enough. You yourself are not under any GFDL obligations whatsoever regarding your own contributions, as you own the copyright to them. It is third parties who choose to distribute content from the website, e.g. as mirror sites, who are under GFDL obligations. (That's what I mean by copying; I'm not talking about transclusion.) As it stands, these third parties have no way to comply with their obligations, because the top-level userpage, which includes the first part of the content and also the code to transclude the remainder of the content, is not Transparent.
NB I got an edit conflict while typing this. I acknowledge the fact that you toned down your previous reply, so I won't dwell on all of what you wrote before, but you did raise a pertinent point about whether (under my interpretation) protecting a page against editing would be "illegal"; the GFDL is designed to ensure freedom to make one's own (separate) modified copy and distribute it, and does not directly ensure the ability to modify the original version. Regards, — Alan✉14:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, if a site were to mirror my userpage without mirroring my "real" userpage, they would get a blank page, so in order for them to violate the license, they would also have to comply with it. Also, as I understood it, the GFDL only requires that the path of attribution remain intact. Since any GFDL compliant mirror would link back to my userpage here, if someone was interested in the source code, they would only have to follow the link back here, and then view the source of my page. I don't know an incredible amount about copyrights, just a bit here and there that I have picked up. If you really think it will be a problem, I can ask on the copyright desk, but I do not think it is likely that they will give you a much different answer than I am. J.delanoygabsadds15:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - sort of :)
I just posted my details in the wiki and you did a something called a speedy delete. I appreciate the feedback. I am new to the wiki and didnt intend to break rules. I think I have a better understanding of what i need to write... Thanks again - seriously :)
I wanted to revert the edits from 208.68.25.95 on the Adderall article but I messed up somehow; I got The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits. So I didn't commit the edit.
I picked up your username from the talk page for from the same IP.
Someone else already undid the changes. To undo edits like that, you have to undo the most recent edit first, then the second most recent and so on. Otherwise, it will almost definitely not work. If you don't want to have to click on all those undo buttons, a useful tool that can automate the procedure is Twinkle. J.delanoygabsadds16:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi J.delanoy, This was gone when someone Google searched my name, but now it back when someone Google searches for my name. Since the article was deleted I was hoping it would no longer come up in a google search. Can you fix this.
Powershape (talk) 16:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Already answered see above. I can't, and Wikipedia can't, do anything about Google's indices. You will either have to just wait until Google's spider re-scans the article, or bring it up with Google. Wikipedia has no control over how Google operates their software. J.delanoygabsadds16:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Ban...
Even though this bloke only has one recent warning after his recent "unblock", it's obvious that he keeps on vandalising after the expiry time is over. Do you think he should have another ban? Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk)17:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Blocked. If you want, rather than asking me here, you can report vandals on WP:AIV. Many, many admins watch that page, so you will likely get a quicker response, and definitely will if I am not at my computer. J.delanoygabsadds18:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Finally, someone w/ Sex-equality! BTW, I sent a request in for NPWathing. It shows up [4] here, but it doesn't here. Could you check it out? Thanks! Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk)18:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Creepy talk page stalker here... NPwatcher doesn't show up at RFperms, unfortunately. However, I've approved you so you should be good to go. Try not to delete the main page. L'Aquatique[talk]18:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, J, hope this finds you well.
I'm writing because I'm concerned that some of your comments at Talk:Barack Obama have taken a turn from "understandably frustrated" to "unnecessarily bite-y" especially in these twodiffs. I can tell from your edit summaries that you are stressed- and I can honestly say I empathize with you (finals... approaching... must... study...) and I know how annoying it can be when you feel you are not being listened to, especially when other stressful things are happening in real life. For example, remember all that crazy shit that went down in the wake of me protecting the candidates articles? Yeah, that was right in the middle of midterms! The good news is, I have exceptionally thick hair, so even after I pulled about half of it out, it doesn't look much different.
What I'm trying to say, and maybe it's not coming out right, is that while I happen to agree with your pov (it should stay African American and consensus says that) and I share your frustration at editors who believe that argumentum ad nauseum is not a logical fallacy, I think that you need to remember that as an admin you represent the community in many ways and it is rather bad form to be telling other editors that they can't see their noses in front of their faces (even if it's true!). I'm not asking you to apologize in anyway, merely to consider that next time, if you really need to vent, please to do it on my talk page instead. L'Aquatique[talk]18:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, last night I wrote that I would regret my comments, and I do. Why I submitted them knowing they were wrong is beyond me, and coming from an administrator, especially on such a high-profile page, they are utterly unacceptable. Do you have any suggestions of how I can undo my comments while maintaining the fact that they exist? (Ahh! Logical paradoxes! Perfect for assembly language lab... ) J.delanoygabsadds18:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Strike 'em and forget 'em, methinks. You could, depending on how high your self esteem is (I'm not sure I could do this, for example) repeat what you just told me to the editors to whom you made the comments. There's a thread already started on my talk page that they are reading. L'Aquatique[talk]18:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
You're not a moron
Don't be so hard on yourself. The Obama page and discussion is by its very nature a controversial topic. The excitmenst and the sting of the election has not worn off yet, so people go there to either vent or gloat, using wikipedia as a screen.
You have been a major force on wikipedia and have been helpful to me on a few occasions. Editors can never agree 100% of the time, so cheer up and keep up the good work--Jojhutton (talk) 19:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. a lot. I'd say more, but right now I'm (supposed to be) taking a test for one of my classes, and my teacher is giving me the look. J.delanoygabsadds19:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, as J. delanoy is taking a test...(/me copies off his answers :P), I'd suggest asking another admin to create-protect it! :D Imperat§ r(Talk)19:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
how is adding an address
to the article for freecreditreport.com vandalism?
It is officially posted on their site.
Millions of people are being scammed every day by freecreditreport.com (that is why I posted it on the controversy page)
I wrote to the addresses that I posted and recieved a full refund.
people need to know that it is possible to get their $$ back.
I did this in a completely objective way that was informative.
This is a perfect example of why I hardly ever use wikipedia. it's supposed to be free dissemination of accurate information, but it's patrolled by administrators who love to delete any comment they personally feel isnt up to their subjective standard.
go ahead, block my IP, its really no loss to me that I get blocked from a site where I can't add anything anyways.
I have plenty of other places where I have equal and fair input.
Wikipedia is the antithesis of free information sharing. Ironic since it was designed to be the opposite. I understand the objective is to prevent spam, but you guys have taken moderation to an extreme big brother level.
````trevor jordet
I'm not going to block you. I removed your additions because they were neutral and did not include a citation to a reliable source. Also, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a consumer protection agency. Information on how to contact them should be placed on a different website. J.delanoygabsadds21:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
/tjordet
why bother having a section on controversy then?
What about adding something like:
Consumers who felt they were scammed were able to get a full refund by writing a letter to the following address
ConsumerInfo.com
Attn: Customer Care
PO Box 19729
Irvine, CA 92623-9729
There is very little, if any difference between this statement and the article preceding it.
As far as sources go, I experienced this first hand and the whole point of me writing about it is to create documentation so that others can use the information I learned. there are no sources that I know of of similar experiences by other people who found a solution, but I do know there are thousands of people experiencing the problem.
I could create a link to the freecreditreport.com page where the address is listed.
For some reason Timber Creek Regional High School is subject to tons of vandalism, even for a high school article. There are dozens of other South Jersey high schools that rarely get vandalized, if ever, yet TCRHS gets it constantly. I'm not sure if you're an administrator but I'd like to request a semi-protected block on this article. I feel it would greatly reduce vandalism; plus the only people who would really be editing it for productive purposes are people with good intent and (at least) minimal knowledge of Wikipedia standards. I feel it's win-win. Thoughts? -Jrcla2(talk)(contribs)21:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's getting a lot of vandalism, but not an unusually large amount as the vandalisms are quite spread out. I don't think it needs to be protected at this time. If you would like a second opinion, you can file a request on WP:RFPP, or if you like, I can file a request for you. J.delanoygabsadds21:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I warned you by mistake. You reverted a split second before I told Huggle to revert, so it warned you. I undid my warning and told Huggle to ignore you. I apologize for the error. J.delanoygabsadds21:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Jeremiah Wright - Vandalism/BLP vios
Hi J,
User 71.236.51.195 has been inserting unsourced pov/blp vios on both the Jeremiah Wright and Rahm Emanuel articles. After placing final warnings on the user's talk page regarding his disruptive edits/vandalism, the user has again reverted the consensus paragraph per WP:SS on the Wright page and reverted the removal of the BLP vio on Emanuel's page. Could you please block this editor. Regarding the Wright artcle, I no longer have the time to revert the excessive vandalism and BLP vios (the only activity on the article) and request that you semi-protect the page. Thanks, IP75 (talk) 23:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what's going on here. This is not blatant vandalism; I'm not even positive it's vandalism at all. If you think it's a problem, you may want to post on the articles' talk pages, or on ANI. Sorry. J.delanoygabsadds23:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey2
Thanks for removing those warnings from 98.166.246.26. His edit was probably in good faith, but I am, however, not as sympathetic per his message on my talkpage. I still put a good faith reply on his talkpage for the future to avoid confusion with other editors, but I thought i'd just let you know. Anyways, thanks again. ~Beano~ (talk)(contribs)00:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, well, I can understand his position - getting warned for pointing out vandalism. To be perfectly honest, I clicked the revert button once on him, but I managed to stop Huggle before it could save. J.delanoygabsadds00:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
AIV Console
Hey, just so you know, I was granted +sysop at testwiki and advanced pretty far in the AIV Console program I was working on. If you get the chance, the googlecode page is right here. Cheers, DavidWS(contribs)01:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
...And the compiled version still refuses to work for me, as does the source code. It says my wrapper is outdated (which is, of course, impossible because I have Vista, which comes with .NET 2.0 and all backwards compatibility programs pre-installed *roll eyes*) J.delanoygabsadds01:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, for the source you'd need VS/VB6. Anyway, though, that's really weird with the compiled version. /me hates Microsoft. The HTTPWrapper is something I wrote a llooongg time ago that is compiled into the application, so it is impossible for it to be "outdated" (I mean, come on, it's built into the program). Have you tried running it in compatibility mode for XP or W2K? Runs fine for me on WXP Pro SP3 with VB6 Runtime installed. Cheers, DavidWS(contribs)01:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, make sure you have mswinsck.ocx installed to your system32 folder and registered. If that's the reason for the error, then it should be giving you a message relating to that, but I guess you ought to try it out. See [5]. (First result when I googled, it's trusted). DavidWS(contribs)02:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Sigh...I'm at school right now so I can't look into it, but I'm going to change how I do the HTTP access. I'll just do a direct socket, what I was using was olllldddd anyway. I'll change it when I get home later today. Cheers, DavidWS(contribs)15:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
It'll work on your computer now, it was the fact that you were missing mswinsck.ocx or whatever it's actually called (I verified this with another sysop). Download it and extract everything into the same folder, including that ocx file. Let me know, DavidWS(contribs)17:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
It said I had a file named the same thing already there, so I didn't install it. In any case, it works now. :/ The error message I got before did not mention anything involving the ocx file. Whatever. I hate Microsoft. I'll report a dummy account to AIV and try it out. J.delanoygabsadds17:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, just wanted to bring to your attention that the restored edits (unsourced, btw) were made by the very same serial vandal / fictional history writer — this little “project” of his goes back a couple of weeks… Skarebo (talk) 18:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I struck your warning. If you look later in the article, you'll see that there really is a Chinese ancestry theory for the Chihuahua. This addition was poorly written and poorly placed, but not vandalism.—Kww(talk) 20:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I am amazed at how vandal-proof your userpage is! I went to "edit" to find out where you got the nice userbox about edit counts (the one about you being slightly insane), but no matter that I couldn't figure it out. Pretty sweet!--otherlleft (talk) 20:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Check out [7]. I added as close to huggle like diffs as I code. Now it displays a list of the user's recent 50 changes. (I did the diffonly=1 thing that you suggested on Addshore's page). You click on the edit you want to see, and then a button, and it shows you the diff to the right. You can also view previous blocks and it shows the reporter's comments below the userlist. I also did some internal improvements. Let me know, DavidWS(contribs)00:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've blocked them all and hopefully saved you time. I went through the ones at WP:OPD and I also searched the last 5000 anon edits for the word "meepmeep" in the edit summary. Spellcast (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks! Quite a few were coming from around 222.255.29.x, so I ran a check on 222.255.29.0/24. Whoo, boy.... Anyways, I'll block the open ones when I get out of my next class, and I sent the ISP an email to let them know that they are so easily hackable. J.delanoygabsadds21:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
For DavidWS's RFA questions you left (doing some vandalism browsing) but anyway, love the uh "skeletons in your closet" mention. —Ceran(sing / see) (2102 uıןɐd) 23:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Not to sound actually confident (which I'm not), but I'm considering running for adminship within the next three months. I've been looked over by some admins, but none of them are consistent vandal fighters as you are. Would it be possible for you to look over my edits, and possibly give me some advice regarding them? —Ceran(dream / discover)02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd be happy to! :D If you want, answer the questions on my /RFA page. I'm likely going to have a lot of homework over the weekend, but most of it should be done by next Tuesday or Wednesday. Just so you know. J.delanoygabsadds03:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty then! Please remember I'm just giving you this info, not actually asking you to consider nominating me... yet.
Done. I also fixed an annoying bug where if you had a user selected and it reloaded the list the user became unselected. Anyway, it's on googlecode. DavidWS(contribs)01:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
←Cool, it looks great. As usual, I have a list of complaints... :P
make it automatically list any previous blocks on the blocking form
make it default to messaging the user with the same reason you type for the block reason
increase the size of the label telling the reporter's reason for reporting
Above all, provide a drop-down box with the common block expiry times seen on the MediaWiki Special:BlockIP. You should be able to access this on the testwiki, and this is the only really annoying thing with your program at this point. Other than this one thing, the rest of the stuff is pretty much semantics.
Yeah, I know. I'm picky. Sue me ;-) Seriously, I ought to get a crat to temporarily sysop you here so that you can test your tool in a live environment. (yeah right, but you know what I mean. It's hard to know what works well when you can only test it in a sandbox.) Seriously, email me and tell me where you live. If you live reasonably close to me, I might be able to come to your house some time and let you watch me use your tool in a live environment and implement my feature requests in real time. Since I would still be the one blocking people, we wouldn't get in trouble like Steve Crossing and Chet and Peter did. J.delanoygabsadds01:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, my mom would freak out if someone from wikipedia came over...lol :D. She doesn't trust the internet that much (and I don't particularly blame her, she is aloud to be protective). Anyway, as for #1: Sure, I completely forgot about that. As for #2: Okay, that'll make the form bigger though. As for #3: If you don't type a reason there, it does. As for #4: Yes, I know, I will. As for #5: Okay, sure. I'll add a dropdown where you can either choose any of those or custom time. Kthxbai, DavidWS(contribs)01:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
hi2
Hi im Tom..I see that you have the authority to give admistrative powers. I am new to wikipedia, but have looked at your page and found that we have common intrests, such as stopping vandalism on the website as i have searched and found it ever so annoying to find false and sometimes rude information on the page. Also i not a huge fan of warhawk but I do enjoy the boardgame version of dungeons and dragons, and am currently saving for the playstation3.
Actually, I don't have the authority to give administrative powers. I am an administrator, but to give administrator rights, you have to be a bureaucrat. And crats can't just go around willy-nilly sysoping anyone they want, they can only do so once consensus has been reached that a user should be promoted. The established way that this is done is at Requests for adminship. What I was saying in my header is that I am willing to nominate people for adminship, not just give them adminship.
At this point, I do not think that you could pass a Request for adminship. Generally, you have to have been here at least six months and make a few thousand edits before you could reasonably expect to pass an RFA. Don't feel sad about this though. There is a lot of admin stuff that you can do without being an admin. Even as an admin, by far the vast majority of the stuff I do can be done by any user. You should get involved in an area that interests you, and after you get some experience around the site, then start thinking about RFA again. J.delanoygabsadds19:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Although some do run and pass after only 4 months, but those are becoming rarer and rarer. 6 months is becoming the minimum. I will almost certainly oppose after 4 months if the RfA didn't get closed early.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon22:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Your admin-nomination "drive"
Greetings, J. I read your page on nominations for adminstrationship with some interest, coming away with the reinforced belief that the process of becoming one is more than a bit stressful. As an editor whose contributions almost certainly fall short (only about 2,000 edits or so), I know that it's possible I may be insane enough to subject myself to the process someday. Your advice on learning diverse skills is extremely helpful in that regard. What have you found is an acceptable number of recent edits? A hundred a day? A thousand? --otherlleft (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey otherleft.
I'm not sure what you mean by "number of recent edits", so I'll just take a stab at what I think you were asking. If my answer makes no sense in light of what you actually were trying to say, please correct me.
No one expects you to make a specific number of edits per day; they just want to see that you are consistently making edits. If you made 10000 edits, then were gone for a year, came back, and stood for adminship a week later, you would definitely fail. If, after your absence, you made 20, 50, or 100 edits per day almost every day for a month or two and then stood for adminship, I do not think it is likely that people would oppose you because of your long absence, although they may ask you if you are here for the long haul. J.delanoygabsadds22:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Throwing my two cents in... Other, you might want to take a look at this essay it might answer some of your questions... as for active editors. Generally, what I want to see is somebody who has been active for at least 5 of the past 6 months and I define being active as having 150 edits per month. In all reality, 150 edits isn't that much when spread over a month so I don't think it is really falling into the trap of editcountitis.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon22:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
You were correct in deciphering my question. 150 a month? Easy-peezy. 298.8 a day? Talk to me when I'm retired. ;) Thank you all for your multiple cents of input!--otherlleft (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
No problem, and I really can't brag about having such a high average. More than 95% of those were made using an automated vandal-fighting tool, so they required slightly less thought than it does to play Pac Man... J.delanoygabsadds23:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you didn't make the connection, but you blocked "The Blevinator", a "vandalism only" account which had been created for the sole purpose of vandalizing that article, and I appreciate it. --Midnite Critic (talk) 03:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Original title was "I am trying to promote the audiobook (The Castle of Otranto) at librivox.org"
I have been adding links to librivox.org and my web site coopaudiobooks.org. I feel these links add value to the wikipedia site. Yes I sell CD versions of the audio book for those that do not have the techincal inclination to
create CDDA formatted audio disk or even download load MP3s. For those that do have the know how I point out that they can get the audio book for FREE from librivox.org. Sorry if I have violated so wikipedia policy, but I believe I have not violated any wikipedia policy.
Wikipedia is not a collection of external links, and any external links should add something encyclopedic to the article. I removed your links because your site is trying to sell something. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a free marketing service. J.delanoygabsadds04:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
A Favor To Ask
Would you mind doing the speedy delete of the WHFS page, please? Thanks...NeutralHomer • Talk • November 14, 2008 @ 07:08
Hi JD. Don't know if you know how to do this-but I thought I'd take a stab.
User:Patashnik/Extreme Smoke's history needs merging into Extreme Smoke, which Patashnik just re-created (not the issue -- seems to meet WP:MUSIC now) via copy/paste. Do you know how to merge the histories? I'd like to have the past stuff there. If not, no worries. If you do, can you tell me how to do this? Thanks! StarM19:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Indeed it is, thanks! I saw you were active and figured I'd ping you. Just wanted to make sure all edits were accounted for and now they appear to be. Thanks! StarM19:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
For the amazing work you have done from rollbacking to taking care of the pesky, backlogged (sometimes) AIV. Also, for the snappy rollbacks you seem to snatch before me. Congrats --♠Dspradau♠ ♠talk♠♠contribs♠19:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
i have given an alternative introduction to Kosovo which I feel is more neutral then the last. Why would Kosovo be introduced as land locked at the begging of the article rather then the end?
Check out my alternative on the discussion page.
timestamp for bot J.delanoygabsadds20:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I assume you never heard the expression "Roger That" before. It is not a statement of thanks. It is used in radio transmissions as a way of saying "I understand" or "I hear you." My statement in the AIV report was simply a way of confirming your message -- I understand what you are saying and will take it into consideration. That's all it is. Ecoleetage (talk) 05:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Now if you really want an example of messages that are crystal clear, take a look at who followed your note on my Talk Page! What do you think of that? Ecoleetage (talk) 05:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It is not a problem. I was telling you so that you would know. There is no reason you should be expected to automatically know that, so don't worry about it. J.delanoygabsadds15:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
You've done quite a bit of good writing. Nice work! However, people at RFA usually want to see candidates have at least three or four thousand contribs. You've been here a while, but at this point I really don't think you have much chance of passing an RFA. Sorry. J.delanoygabsadds20:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
J.delanoy isn't a steward, so he can't do that for you. I am unsure of where you would put a request for rollback on Commons or Meta, I will look for you. DavidWS(contribs)20:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
When you upload a new version, anything you put in the "information" box will show up in the log, but it will not overwrite the existing photo page info. If you want to update that, you will have to do it manually. J.delanoygabsadds23:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I would just go to Special:Upload and type the in name of the existing file. (be sure you use the correct capitalization. Image names are case-sensitive). That form is easier to use if you are just trying to upload a new version of an existing file. J.delanoygabsadds00:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
But that doesn't answer my question. It says that the file will be deleted if I don't select a license tag. -- IRP☎00:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I got a whole mess of messages and missed this one. To answer, just ignore it. The previous license should still show up, and if it doesn't, let me know and I will re-add one. J.delanoygabsadds00:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Upload complete. It is a file on the commons and I had to upload it there. Please check the image. -- IRP☎00:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it's bad enough for it to be reverted? Also, the summary shown below still shows the old information. -- IRP☎00:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You recently amended a edit I made to the following page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Forrester. I am unaware of the proper templet for adding a spoiler and would be grateful if you could add it to the plot section on the page for me. The whole moving even the ending is outlined in that section and as its such a great movie I feel it spoils the movie for those who have not seen it.
thanks and again I would be very great full if you could add a spoiler tag or something to that section.
Joe.
Hi Joe. According to our policy, spoiler warnings are not used on this site. I would encourage you to read that page, since it is not at all long, and I cannot really expand on it any. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds00:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are you reverting my edits?
Why are you reverting my edits?
Please explain.Fru23 (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Certainly. I am using a semi-automated software tool called Huggle to revert vandalism. I saw you remove some content so I clicked on "revert and warn". I then realized your edits were not vandalism, so I went back and reverted my own edits, including the warning I left on your talk page. The net result is as if I had never made the original reversion. I apologize for the false positive. J.delanoygabsadds00:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
It is not a problem. I should have paid closer attention to your edit summary rather than merely looking at your edit. Have a good evening! (or morning, afternoon, whatever...) J.delanoygabsadds00:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
comment: Actually, it wasn't a false positive. User:Fru23 has just returned from a 24 hour block for deletion of material counter to his views, and actually continued to delete material on the page again. (notice that there actually is citations in his deletion one which he claimed no source, and notice that the other edit, was based on personal commentary, no actual reason for deletion) ηoian‡orever ηew ‡rontiers00:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
When I said it was a false positive, I was speaking from the standpoint of my specific action. Rollbacking an edit, which is what I did, is only appropriate for simple, obvious vandalism. This is a content dispute, not vandalism. I have no opinion on the matter, I was merely acknowledging that my actual, specific action was not appropriate in this situation. I hope that helps you understand what I meant. J.delanoygabsadds00:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for letting me know. I still had his page on my watchlist, since I have Huggle watch all my warnings. It's annoying when I revert and then self-revert a content dispute, because invariably either they come to my page to complain about the other side (like I automagically know which side is correct in a debate about Bill O'Reilly...) or they use my accidental reversion to prove that their side is right - "I mean, an admin reverted you! The endorsed me! I am so right, and if you revert again, I'll get you blocked!!!" </sarcasm> J.delanoygabsadds03:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC) Yes, I know that didn't happen in this case, but I am >95% sure that the only reason it didn't was because I went out of my way to explain my absolute neutrality in this matter. Things like this were so much easier before...</rant>
Deletion of Hurricane (Kim Carnes song)
The article of Hurricane (Kim Carnes song) was deleted by you. As you know, I created the page and added info into the page. I'm trying to be mean, but why did you delete my page?--Doyoulovehertriangle3 (talk) 00:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You blanked the page, so I thought you were trying to delete it. I restored it, and I'll let another admin review the existing speedy deletion tag. Sorry for the misunderstanding. J.delanoygabsadds00:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you semi-protect New World Order (conspiracy theory) for 1 week due to persistent IP and non-autoconfirmed user vandalism? I am afraid with all of the reverts that the material may become compromised; also, the article is down a considerable amount of time lately. Thank you for your diligent work on that article! All Is One (talk) 02:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, JD. Please take a look at this and you'll see a fairly routine (if nasty and protracted) block of a puppetmaster and numerous socks. But there is something screwy going on here: This appears to show that Dddike (talk·contribs) is indefinitely blocked. However, this appears to show that Dddike is an alias of Regushee, who does not appear to be blocked. And this morning, User talk:Dddike was (again?) maliciously turned into a browser-crashing mess by Dddike. I rolled it back, but...um...like...huh? I've no recent beef with Regushee/Dddike, though s/he certainly has made problems in the past. I've asked parts of this question over on User talk:Krimpet, but it looks like it'll probably be awhile before he gets to it. What say ye? —ScheinwerfermannT·C15:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Looks like Krimpet already got him. From what I can see, the person who originally signed up as Dddike got renamed, and Grawp took over the now-unused account. J.delanoygabsadds18:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh by the way...
This page contains material which is kept because it is considered humorous.
I've decided that you are indeed a bot of supreme intelligence. This is great, except you are running without permission, and you are not marking your edits with the bot flag. Therefore, I suggest you request permission to continue to run. I want to talk to your creator, the person who made a bot that can read English naturally. DavidWS(contribs)15:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
J.delanoy is is the name of a seventh-dynasty emperor on Kanda Four...a mytho-historical hunter on Shantil Three...a colony on Malindi Seven...a frozen dessert on Razna Five... —ScheinwerfermannT·C17:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!!! Oh, man!!!! You guys crack me up! Best laugh I've had in waaaayyyy too long! Wow, I'm literally crying, hahahaha!!! J.delanoygabsadds18:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
However, you are unlike any other bot the planet has ever witnessed. Therefore, you are able to answer all questions. The evidence of this notion is that you have 160000 edits over 6 months, and revert vandalism in less than 0.0000001^-10 seconds after seeing it. DavidWS(contribs)18:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I have it on good authority that this user is actually from a distant future where Wikipedia is no longer vandalized. He was sent back in time to aid the current crop of vandal fighters and hasten the day when the project becomes vandalism free. Since he has a log of all vandalism edits between now and the day when vandalism ceases, he is able to be in position to revert vandal attacks mere nanoseconds after they occur. --GraemeL(talk)18:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
←(to GraemeL) Damn you, my data showed no one ever found me out. Curses!
Re: Protected Status for the 2008 Presidential elections
Hi,
I came across a number of grammatical errors on the article page for the 2008 Pres. elections.
I wanted to do an edit and was informed you have locked it.
If you would like a list of the errors, please do reply.
Thanks,
Heeru —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heeru01 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, J.delanoy. I was attempting to help the above user (seems to be confused about moving pages, not vandalizing), when I noticed you blocked him. Since it doesn't seem that the user is behaving in any malicious manner, it seems a bit hasty to indef block him. Anyways, I didn't want to unblock him without checking with you first. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 01:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for yelling at me. I should have looked closer, I just saw him blanking pages and replacing pages and assumed he was vandalizing. I left a note on his talk page. J.delanoygabsadds01:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. I have. I've been putting off saying anything because I really do not want to have to tell you that I do not think it is likely that you will pass. According to SQL's editcounter tool, nearly 90% of your edits were made with Huggle. People at RFA tend to oppose "Huggle-bots", so... Oh, god I hate to have to tell you this :-( Please don't feel too downhearted. You are doing a lot of good for this project. J.delanoygabsadds16:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
*sigh* Okay. You (absolutely no offense intended, just pointing this out) seem to be a "hugglebot". What do you think I'd need to do to succeed, then? I've seen people pass w/o major article building work. With a sigh, DavidWS(contribs)17:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I honestly have no idea how I passed an RFA. I think it was probably because my nominator is an fairly prolific article writer. Also, he really liked this comment. Apparently, quite a few other people did too, based on some of the supports I received.
As far as what you have to do to pass, do not get involved in an area you have no interest in just to pass an RFA. It is almost impossible to hide your true nature, and it will be obvious if you are doing something just to pass an RFA. I reverted apporximately 45000 vandalisms over nearly 6 months before I passed an RFA. And practically the only reason I got nommed and passed as soon as I did is because I happened to make a comment like that. The best thing to do is just keep plugging away at what you like doing. Being an admin is really overrated. Sure you can block people delete and protect page, and other stuff, but it's not really that great. If your goal in being an admin is just to be an admin, you will be very disappointed if/when you actually do get the bit. J.delanoygabsadds17:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It's not really my main goal at the project, which is to help the project in all ways I can. The reason I want adminship is to help the project by blocking vandals, deleting CSDd pages, etc. I don't understand why people feel you need article work to become a sysop, as being a sysop, you're even less likely to spend your time on the wiki doing that. Shrug. DavidWS(contribs)18:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. As far as people wanting to see article contibs, I understand where those people are coming from, I just don't agree with them. The reasoning is, if you have not worked in the mainspace, you don't understand what it takes, so you will be unnecessarily harsh with deletions and protections. Again, I don't agree with this position, but I can understand it. Aervanath's recent very close RFA passing has, IMO, the potential to dispel this notion if he does a good job as an admin, but I don't know. It will be interesting to see what happens. J.delanoygabsadds18:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Well, I suppose I'll never end up a sysop then, which I guess is okay....I don't want to get involved in an area just to pass, but I think it should be possible to pass with just minimal experience in article writing. :-( DavidWS(contribs)18:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
DON'T SAY THAT!!!! I didn't think I had any chance of ever passing when I had as many edits as you do now. (that sounds condescending, but it is not meant to be.) And yet, my second RFA had >92% support. And I didn't develop an awesome wikitool either! Just do what you like doing, and sooner or later, people will support your RFA just to get you off of AIV and CAT:CSD :P J.delanoygabsadds18:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Shrug...which reminds me, would a think sorta like AIV Console (maybe called CSD Console) that monitors pages tagged for speedy deletion. You'd basically be able to easily view and delete pages tagged (or is that easy enough to do without a special program)? DavidWS(contribs)19:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. My dashboard and Twinkle do pretty well for speedy deletions. I can't really think of anything else offhand that would be really useful. Huggle and your AIV console pretty much take care of vandalism, and AWB can automate many other tasks. I'll let you know if I come up with something. J.delanoygabsadds20:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Shrug...apparently the next version of Huggle will have CSD Console-type support. In other news, I wrote my first article that's not a stub, yay! DavidWS(contribs)00:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Long version: Based on my observations, people at RFA do not generally take into account the raw percentage of edits made with automated tools, because tools (especially Huggle) skew everything so radically. You can make thousands upon thousands of edits in a very short time using Huggle. I once made 3452 edits in one day - a calender day to boot, not merely a 24-hour period (some have been deleted in the interval, but you get the idea). At the same time, it is not impossible to write a featured article from scratch with less than 150 edits, including the FAC.
Thus, the thing people tend to look at with serial vandal-fighters is not so much "86% of his edits were made with Huggle.", but "OK, he uses Huggle. Cool. Does this guy also know how to write?" If you had 50000 edits, and ~43000 of them were with Huggle, but your other 7000 edits included a GA and/or an FA, and maybe a couple of DYKs, you would sail through RFA. (assuming the rest - behavior, clue, interaction - pans out OK) In that case, your automated tools would likely propel you towards success, since by writing FAs and fighting vandalism, you demonstrate interest in an unusually wide spectrum of the project. Most people (myself included) find this nearly impossible to do, so when someone who can do it stands at RFA, the result is generally not difficult to foresee.
'Short version: As long as you can present clear evidence that you know how to write, it is unlikely that Huggle will sink your RFA, regardless of the percentages involved. I hope that helps. J.delanoygabsadds23:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Awfully helpful, thanks! I am very interested in getting a particular article up to GS and then FA status, and I Huggle when I'm bored. Like Thingg, I have learned to stop and take a look at the article when it's not clear what on earth is going on - like when the version to rollback to looks worse than the current one . . . man I hate team vandalism!--otherlleft (talk) 23:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I know. There was a request on RFPP to unprotect it, and I decided to give it a shot. No 100% sure why you're telling me this now; someone else already re-semiprotected it 3 days ago. J.delanoygabsadds17:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The chessboard itself, along with instructions on how to use it, is located at Template:Chess diagram. I did not write it. I did, however, write the borders, as well as the scrolling record of moves made. A blank version of the board (you can copy/paste/tweak the code) is located here. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds20:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think that's necessary. It was just one person one time, and I doubt they'll do it again. If they do, you should probably bug someone about it. J.delanoygabsadds22:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
No, you were fine. Someone went to fake "vandalize" your page, but they saved the edit after you deleted the page. That messed it up when you tried to revert him. Then when I deleted it the first time, I didn't realize it would show up that someone else had added all that content, and forged someone's sig. Since it was not my talk page, I didn't want to mess up your talk page for 25 minutes while I figured it out. So I just gave up, deleted everything after the one guy's comment, and manually re-added the rest, with a note in the edit summary to preserve the history as well as I could. J.delanoygabsadds22:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, brewcrewer thought I was disappearing again. I wish we had a cluebat for people who just want to stir up shit like Ousby and his friends/managers whatever. They need to get the clue and go away, hope the final warning will get it. Just post it to the SSP page and be done. At least Delldot is harmless, even if he's feigning ignorance poorly. Have a good night! I'm off to free dinner, woot! StarM23:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea. I also don't know why anyone other than an admin would want to close a report. I left comments on one or two reports before I was an admin, but I never saw the point of closing reports there. I always assumed that admins would be smart enough to tell whether someone would need to be blocked or no. Although there is no set-in-stone rule like there is at AFD, but I would not recommend closing AIV reports. J.delanoygabsadds00:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
They were coming in thick and fast earlier with 3 of us working blocks at the same time and still getting backlogged. It's quietened down now, perhaps the UK schools were on holiday yesterday and had a lot of vandalism to catch up on. --GraemeL(talk)01:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
In my view, it is OK to close it if you have the judgment. Here, I knew that the user was not warned sufficiently. The user had only received one warning. As long as the justification of the closure is accurate, I don't see a problem. Do you know who I should ask for a good recommendation? Perhaps propose a policy of who is and who isn't allowed to close AIV reports? -- IRP☎01:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed a modification by 66.31.99.27 on 23 Aug 2008 to Yamaha. I believe this is vandalism. You hava already warned this user; could you take a look and, if you feel it necessary, intervene again?
you reverted back to false statements without refs.
i can back up anything you have a question about with original documents pictures and drawings and laws of physics.
be so kind to come up with some refs with your decision based on what ?????
thank you
Wdl1961 (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
sorry i missed your reply by a few minutes .thanks for reading it. if you have any questions i got email and i can call you with skype.Wdl1961 (talk) 02:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Re: Request
Hey Gurch!
If it's not too much trouble, and you get a chance, could you upload Huggle's entire project file to Google Code? Your new version has continued producing a random glitch on my system, and I think I could fix it. No one I have spoken to has been able to replicate the bug, so I think it's a problem with my hardware, unfortunately, I cannot figure out what is causing it. Thanks, J.delanoygabsadds19:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I hope this sockpuppeteer realizes that the reason I maintain a {{user Vandalized}} template on my user page is as a badge of honour, like a soldier's battle scars. The higher the number, the prouder I feel. :-) -- Blanchardb-Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm assuming that you spotted my joke on the Golden Tee wiki and changed it. Sorry about that, it was just a joke geared toward this year's World Champion and friend, Andy Haas.
I'm actually a former champion and we like to rip on each other from time to time, so the wiki page seemed like a logical place to go. Again, sorry for the inconvenience and it won't happen again.
Notice of request for deletion of editor J.delanoy :)
J.delanoy, the editor you are, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that you satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space. Your opinions on yourself are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at User:GlassCobra/Editor for deletion#J.delanoy and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit during the discussion but should not remove the nomination (unless you wish not to participate); such removal will not end the deletion discussion (actually it will). Thank you, and have a good sense of humor :).--otherlleft (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, your userpage is impregnable. Also proof that you're a bot, of course . . .
Your evil plot will never succeed now! No one will delete me because the community has not been appropriately notified of the discussion! Mwahahahaaa!!!!! J.delanoygabsadds20:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Just add it above everything else on my userpage. Who put that there???!!
I think it's going to be very difficult for some of us to keep within the "1% of posts" rule for that page . . . which is where you have an unfair advantage. What would that be, about 500 edits per day?--otherlleft (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
okay, I guess I just misunderstood the board for a second (what is this thing about you being deleted as an editor??? I mean heck, you caught everything I ever did and will never do agian!)
IDK maybe I just don't understand this like the chess game
The Editor for Deletion page and process is just a joke. It is a parody of WP:Articles for deletion, and people just good-naturedly make fun of each other on the "trial" page. In any case, it isn't even physically possible to delete an editor. J.delanoygabsadds20:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
okay, it just kinda worried or something that you might get "de-promated" (you should make a move on my Chess Gameand start using your knight to give yourself an advantage ;-) )
Not possible to delete an editor? Oh, it can be done…, you just haven't yet reached the appropriate stage of enlightenment in the Secret Lore of The Cabal™. (Not only can it be done, but it causes a true pain when it's done, as that editor's edits become attributed to whoever edited the page next – meaning unsuspecting typo-fixers, categorisers etc find themselves credited with assorted spam and attack pages) – iridescent22:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
But if iridescent is correct, I might need to be more careful with my edits in the next few days . . . that's a heavy burden!--otherlleft (talk) 00:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
S/he is correct, but if someone tried that and got caught, all hell would break loose. And believe me, you couldn't oversight nearly 130000 edits without anyone noticing. J.delanoygabsadds00:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure you're already aware, but I've blocked Jwc4jwc4 for 48 hours, which IMO is lenient given his history of disruption, highly dubious edits and general conduct. AGF is all very well, but IMO the possibility of anything positive coming from this user in the next couple of days is more than outweighed by the time wasted cleaning up his messes. If you think I'm being harsh, you have my explicit consent to unblock without it being considered wheel-warring. – iridescent21:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
(I know, it is kinda getting old) but maybe you should move your rook down to threaten his pawnNO! don't do what I just said because then world would just check you and then you would take the rook then world would queen!!! :-O (omg!)
P.S. do you really eat cocanuts while reverting valndalism???
P.S.S. srry but you lost that game, all "world" needs to do is sacrifice there rook and place you in check, then queen, and then the game is over. :-(
P.S.S.S. what is these video game progects that I have heard of??? (I was just looking through your User Page! and was somewhat interested in it yet somewhat concerned because maybe Wiki might then be BLOCKED!!! :O anyways, I just thought I would find out a little more B4 signing up for anything!) (srry, you must be doing your homework)
Once in a while, yes. I can't afford coconuts too much, but I really like them, and I thought having a userbox about them would be funny.
No, not yet. I can still put world in check, and I'm running through some various scenarios in my head. there is a greater than zero chance I may be able to force a draw by three-fold repetition.
The groups are called Wikiprojects. Wikiprojects are just groups of editors who are interested in similar things. Most are pretty much inactive, but for whatever reason, I left my name in their memberships. As far as you being blocked, I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but anyone can join Wikiprojects, and even if you couldn't, you certainly wouldn't be blocked for trying. If you use common sense (i.e. don't vandalize, stalk people, or keep doing something after being told to stop), are civil, and don't violate the three-revert rule, you will never be blocked. My advice to you is, if you want to do something, just do it. There is nothing you can do that is irreversible, so feel free to do whatever you want. (within reason... :P ) If you make a mistake, as long as you don't intentionally repeat whatever it was you did wrong, all that will happen is someone will tell you that you did something wrong. Even if you were an admin, and your sysop bit was taken from you for something you did wrong, it will most likely be re-instated if you admit that you were wrong and apologize. J.delanoygabsadds23:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah. In that case, expect yourself to be bombarded with coconuts come Christmas. (If you were a good boy. Satan (Santa) doesn't like bad ones). DavidWS(contribs)23:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
No, your tool is nice, it's just that many times when I block people, they have not yet been reported to AIV. I rarely just patrol AIV for the heck of it. J.delanoygabsadds00:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and you can't block people with Twinkle. I use the MediaWiki feature to block, I just use Twinkle to notify them afterwards. Twinkle looks at Special:ListUsers when the warn function is called, and if it detects that the person running it is a sysop, it gives them an extra menu for various block notices. J.delanoygabsadds00:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay being that I've been lurking here I feel I ought to ask about your TOC. My page has lookd pretty bad at times, but this is a real mess. What can we do about this before it comes up at your EfD?--otherlleft (talk) 01:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Until 2005, IPs were still allowed to create pages. The Seigenthaler incident prompted the community to "temporarily" suspend the right of IPs to create pages. However, that incident became Wikipedia's Eternal September, and the right was never reinstated, since creating an account is not difficult, and accounts can create pages as soon as the server recognizes that they exist (read: immediately) J.delanoygabsadds02:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Maradona
I do not see why my edits in that page are regarded as unconstructive. The phrase 'considered by many as the greatest footballer of all time' existed on the page until it was removed by an anonymous editor on November 13 20:58. Thank you. --Chief White Halfoat (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If you do, I'm going to make a note that the suggestion was my greatest accomplishment on Wikipedia to date. Sad, but because it's true it's also funny.--otherlleft (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
(zillions of e/c's) LMAO!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, man. Wow. Heh heh. We ought to get a member of the BAG to approve me for a 10-day trial ;-) J.delanoygabsadds00:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't know how you weren't nominated before. And GraemeL, knowing that you came up with the idea independently of me makes it that much cooler in my opinion!--otherlleft (talk) 00:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Ha! I actually did put {{subst:EBS}} on my userpage yesterday for a bit (I ended up removing it because it takes up too much room). I was just waiting for someone to click on it and softblock me for "malfunctioning" :D J.delanoygabsadds17:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Your RFA page
I'm not making adminship an active goal and I don't plan on applying for a long time, however I saw your RFA page and thought I'd answer the questions ask you about it a little. I know you wouldn't nominate me; there are more qualified people out there. I guess I'm looking for an opinion...
Have you ever been blocked? Never.
If so, when? -
For what? -
Ever had an Editor Review? Yes, [Wikipedia:Editor_review/Beano here]
An RfA? Yes, over a year ago here (I usurped since then)
What (if any) horrible skeletons lie in your editing closet? The only thing that would kill me is the uncivil message I made a year ago to an IP (which was the reason for my unsuccessful RFA). Other than that, maybe some small revert mistakes that I've immediately fixed. No biggie.
Got much recent experience at AfD? Yes, I have voted many times at AfD with my own independent reason and proof.
Are there any major mainspace contribs or other subsantial edits that you are particularly proud of? Not that I can just throw out there (to be honest), I've done a lot of edits that had some restructuring and changing of articles, but recently I haven't done any HUGE edits or mainspace changes. I've recently gotten involved with project Starcraft and have done some small things with them, a few of which being StarCraft Adventures and Starcraft: The board game. I know and acknowledge that this is an area I should be stronger in if I were to want to pass.
Is there anyone else who has expressed interest in nomming you for adminship? Not yet.
Is there anyone specific (other than me :-) ) you would have particularly liked to nominate you? I don't know anyone that well yet...
OK, I looked at your contribs, and unfortunately if you stood for RFA, you would unquestionably be shot down for lack of experience. That being said, you have a lot of really good contribs, and I would encourage you to run after a few months. Sorry :/ J.delanoygabsadds02:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I know I would. That's why it's not an active goal nor something I would even consider applying for in a very long time from now. Thanks for the opinion though :-). ~Beano~ (talk)(contribs)15:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
about the Wikiprogects
I meant by the "Blocked" by "This school has a really tough policy and if wiki suddenly has video games on it that it might be blocked" (unless they ever find out :-) ) but yeah, i'm really interested into joining <(^,^)>
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AfD nomination of This page is being used by J.delanoy to test something
heh. I installed Mr.Z-man's AFD close script, and I couldn't think of any other logical way to test it. I like how someone tagged it for speedy deletion. J.delanoygabsadds20:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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Therefore you are clearly in league with the IP's, who are all evil. I see no reason to unblock a robot sent back from the future to take over wikipedia through excessive vandal reverting— Jac16888 (talk) 20:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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J.delanoy, You may wish to review our guide to appealing blocks, as it is obvious that you're not taking this seriously. You know what you did, and you don't seem the least bit sorry for it - which is a problem. I am not inclined to unblock at this time, since your conduct has become far too silly to be productive. UltraExactZZClaims~ Evidence21:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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Hi! I edit this page because the main talk page was protected. I noticed here that you used a nice version of the vandalism warning template which includes not only the article (that's the version of the template I've been able to find) but also the specific edit that caused the warning. I would very much like to know what the syntax is for the version of the vandalism warning template you used, if you have the time to share it with me. Thanks you, Sarnalios (talk) 21:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I will take a look at Huggle. Also, I did understand that the whole protection of your talk page was part of a joke. :-) Sarnalios (talk) 22:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, as I have discussed with another editor, I am a teacher, giving a presentation to a class about how unreliable sources on Wiki could be. I could just as easily change something less obvious that would go unnoticed, but the point of the presentaion would be lost. All I need is 2 hours on an entry that outside of my class, 1 person might look at this week. Please let me know what I need to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.163.44.179 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
So you are asking millions of users around the world to allow you to make a change and ignore it for the benefit of a class? I am certain your IP address would be blocked far sooner than the two hours you are requesting. You might try to create an account and then create an article in your own user space for demonstration purposes. This is a real project, however, and disrupting it to demonstrate something for a class is highly frowned upon. Frank | talk 22:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
All you have proven is that you can delete obvious misinformation. I appreciate your work, but I could just as easily edit a section of the JAVA programming language article and only a select few people would have the knowledge to catch it. The impact on the class however would not be the same. By the way, I don't mean to insult you, but blocking a public IP address would hardly solve the problem, all I would really need to do is go to the library and there are 30 different IP addresses waiting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.163.44.179 (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
What impact are you referring to, exactly? Do you imagine Wikipedia is run by a couple of nerds in a basement somewhere? I personally have 500 pages on my watchlist, and that's small by some people's standards. But in no way do I consider myself an expert on all 500 of them...that's why we have citations and references for articles on Wikipedia.
Regarding IP addresses, why should I be insulted? Would that be because you imagine I think a library uses 30 different public IP addresses for 30 different computers instead of a single address and a proxy server, or because you imagine nobody who volunteers for this project would be able to figure out how to block an entire /27 subnet? Nah, I'm not insulted, but I appreciate you thinking of my feelings while you tried to do it. Frank | talk 22:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
(cross-posted from the IP's talk page) And I don't mean to insult you, but your IP address is part of a /16 range registered to your university, which is Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville, so I could, with one click, completely disable editing access to Wikipedia from your school. And since you have been so kind as to let us know that you are intending to vandalize, I will watch all the contribs from your school very closely. And don't think I won't block you if you vandalize more. J.delanoygabsadds22:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, honestly, you consider yourself a teacher? I am utterly disgusted at the fact that a teacher would purposefully insert misinformation into an article, regardless of reason. We have everything cited here for a reason, even misinformation that is hard to spot gets reverted rather quickly. I will also watch your contributions very closely, and if I see anything, then I will revert it. Also, there are no entries looked at once a week....Do you know how many people use this site?DavidWS(contribs)23:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and a library likely has only one IP with a proxy, we would just block that. If not, we block the range 146.163.0.0/16 and nobody from your school can edit Wikipedia. DavidWS(contribs)23:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I also like to point out that you are arguing to keep vandalism on Wikipedia so you can tell people how its unreliable, despite the fact that the vandalism you want to point out was done by you and corrected within a minute. I think that perhaps you should change your presentation's topic, since J.delanoy apparently just proved you wrong--Jac16888 (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm...is it acceptable if I create a new account purely for the use of public editing? I keep on attaining the creeps that I might forget to log off one day....:D Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk)01:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure, that's perfectly fine, actually, I would encourage you to do that if you intend to edit on public computers frequently. Using multiple accounts in not forbidden, abusing multiple accounts is. Just be sure to include a link back to your main account. It's also not a bad idea to make an edit on that account's userpage with your main account to confirm that it is actually you. (for an example, see User:Jdelanoy, which is my public computer and AWB-enabled account.) J.delanoygabsadds01:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I made a right mess... help!
I'm not usually a scatterbrain, but I made a bit of a mess trying to swap a page with its redirect. I noticed that you're online in recent changes, and was hoping you could help me by cleaning up. The rename was to be Marine Corps Security Guard (article) to Marine Security Guard (redirect to the article). The correct name is Marine Security Guard, as confirmed here.
While I'm usually so careful about these things, I made a mistake. Then in trying to remedy my mistake, I made additional messes. Could you help me out? What I need help with:
Done Hah, don't worry about it. I do that sort of thing all the time. I think I did all that you requested, can you double-check to make sure? J.delanoygabsadds16:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
You deleted some revisions of my talk page on 18 November. At the time I assumed it was in relation to something that was going on with Star Mississippi and Leon Ousby, but now I can't find a conversation I thought I'd had with someone. It's probably just me, but can you give me a hint as to what was deleted? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The deletion log refers to personal information. 2 revisions were deleted; neither of the them was your own edit. If you require more information, please let us know. Frank | talk 17:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Haha, no. We were talking about the name of the tool to begin with, not the summary. The summary is fine. I remember back when it was leaving summaries like "You have been blocked for a blatant violation of our username policy (Huggle)." That was rough. J.delanoygabsadds22:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't think she said she was going to block you (although I may be reading it wrong). She simply missed your comment among the hordes of people coming to her talk page daily to ask for. I think that a template message in big red simply serves to inflame the situation and she got pretty annoyed by it. I think it would probably be best to disengage at this point (that's my 2 cents though). RockManQ(talk)23:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure what you want me to do. Iridescent is unquestionably correct here. You have been making some bad reversions. Also, s/he already replied on his/her talk page, s/he isn't going to block you unless you keep making bad reversions. I really don't have anything I can add to what is there.
It's good that you unchecked the "automatically move to next revision box. Even I don't have that enabled, it's too dangerous because you don't see what you have reverted. Apparently, you have reached the "revert everything!!!!!!!" stage, a place practically everyone who uses Huggle (including me, only I got it back in March...) gets to, only you made it somewhat worse it by configuring Huggle to bypass the "review" stage of reverting. Basically, what happens is, people get into a mode where they start reverting anything that remotely resembles vandalism. When you find you're frequently getting yelled at (by established users) for reverts, you need to slow down and carefully think about each diff before you revert. <bragging> Believe it or not, even at the speed I am going while on Huggle, I do think what I am reverting before I revert. </bragging> The reason I can go so fast is because I have been fighting vandalism almost every day since mid way through last January, and I have been using Huggle since late February. What you should do is take Iridescent's advice and take it slow for a couple of weeks, and really think about what you are doing. Above all, if you make a mistake, immediately self-revert!! I still make plenty of mistakes on Huggle, but I don't get yelled at basically at all because I practically always fix my mistakes as soon as I physically can. J.delanoygabsadds23:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to echo J here. I use Huggle, not as much as you, but quite a bit. After I make a revert I spend about 10-20 seconds and ask myself, "Was this a good revert?" While I (and others) appreciate your anti-vandal work, you need to slow down. I suggest contributing to articles as well, it's a great stress reliever, especially if you find an area that you like to work in. RockManQ(talk)23:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
No, don't bother. I am 99.99% sure that you somehow tagged the page for deletion after the server deleted the initial revision, but before it deleted the revision where Touch of light tagged it o_O Don't ask me how that's possible, but from my end, it's the only thing that makes any sense at all. And as Sherlock Holmes said, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." In any case, iit's 11:40pm here, and I've had my share of weirdness for today. G'night! J.delanoygabsadds04:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Ceranthor RFA
moved to a new section by me, since it is an entirely different conversation -- J.delanoy
Not to sound actually confident (which I'm not), but I'm considering running for adminship within the next three months. I've been looked over by some admins, but none of them are consistent vandal fighters as you are. Would it be possible for you to look over my edits, and possibly give me some advice regarding them? —Ceran(dream / discover)02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd be happy to! :D If you want, answer the questions on my /RFA page. I'm likely going to have a lot of homework over the weekend, but most of it should be done by next Tuesday or Wednesday. Just so you know. J.delanoygabsadds03:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty then! Please remember I'm just giving you this info, not actually asking you to consider nominating me... yet.
Thanks. I just finished looking at summaries of your contribs from various tools, and your bragsheet... O_O Wow. I mean wow. How aren't you already an admin?
Unfortunately, I don't see much recent experience at AIV. While from my own experience vandal-fighting is pretty straightforward, you may get opposed for that. On the other hand, I am apparently one of the "resident gurus" when it comes to vandal-fighting, so my name in the nom spot may do something dispel those concerns. I saw you on Huggle a few days ago, and you were absolutely excellent. I was surprised to see you weren't an admin. I thought about asking you if you wanted to run then, but I kind of let it slip my mind.
One last thing. On your ER only like 7 weeks ago, Pedro was worried that you would leave the project if you failed an RFA. Do you think you would be able to take it psychologically in the (IMO) unlikely event that you failed? Because the last thing I want to do is indirectly drive you away. You're too good for that. J.delanoygabsadds03:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, definitely not. I'm not really offended by things like that, but in the case of an premature FAC I submitted I was already in a foul mood. —Ceran↕(talk)13:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm not sure adminship is for me. I mean, I'm by heart a content contributor and honestly the views expressed by Editorofthewiki at my talk page are pretty convincing. If I did run for RFA and I passed, would I still be able to build articles? That's the question I'm pondering. Could you perhaps reply in e-mail, by the way? —Ceran♦ (talk)02:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
I'm troubled with Caspian blue (talk·contribs) about sources.(Baek Sukgi (백석기), Woongjin Wiinjeongi #30 Woo Jang-Choon (C) Woongjin Publishing Co., Ltd. 1987)
The source is a book published in South Korea, and out of print years ago. and secondhand book is also not available even in South Korea. So I told him this book is not verifiable, so the book should not be the sources. Then he told me verify the contents by yourself and email to the Author. Please let me know Wikipedia requiring to contact the author?
You recommend me to go to Wikipedia:Mediation or Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal.[8] However he have been rejecting Mediation Cabal. And he provide massive new Korean contents in Talk:Woo Jang-choon. However most of his contents do not point out the issues. His aim is getting me tired to translate massive Korean contents and making me giving up the talk with him. Please help me.
Look, I am not that experienced with dispute resolution to begin with, and if the mediation cabal was unable to help you, I do not know how you think I will be able to. J.delanoygabsadds15:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Bukubku, stop lying. I think WE've been meditating by a third person. You did not even file it unlike your insistence. The talk page and the process are called in meditation. You're the one who has been avoiding the meditation for over 10 days and rejecting the meditation processes with absurd allegation over and over. Evey time, I provided more info, you just simply called the authors being "racists", so contested contents should be deleted with no ground. Such defamation and personal attacks over my provided sources, me and authors are all disruptive too.--Caspian blue16:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Editor review
I've placed myself on editor review at Wikipedia:Editor_review/Cosmic_Latte, and I'm reaching out for feedback to editors who seem to be reasonably familiar with my work (I've seen you around on AfD, ANI, etc. and in various vandal-fighting efforts). If you have a moment to comment there, your feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 23:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Latte! (Whoa, that sounds like me most mornings..............)
Hi. I noticed that you reverted User:Veecort's edit to the article, so I thought I would bring this to your attention. The user is quite determined to push the edit that you reverted on the article, but I'm at 3 reverts myself. In addition, he is making posts on the talk page that concern me because they seem potentially libelous, and because they discuss an alleged class-action lawsuit. I was wondering if you could advise me on how to proceed with this situation and if you could help keep an eye on things. Thanks. McJeff (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, if you have a problem with Iridescent, you need to take it up with Iridescent, not me. If s/he will not listen to you, and you still think s/he is wrong, you need to take it to WP:ANI or WP:DISPUTE. Iridescent has been here a long time, far far longer than I have, and I trust his/her judgment, so I am not going to simply undo his/her edits, if that is what you are looking for here. I may or may not comment on the MfD, I doubt I will, because I have utterly no idea what is going on. J.delanoygabsadds20:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I think ever since the reversion issue arose, Iridescent is now watching my actions on Wikipedia. I'm not at all surprised it was that user who proposed the page for deletion. -- IRP☎21:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
(Yawn.) Iridescent has made perhaps two thousand edits this week, three of which concerned you. Despite the fact that you appear to think I am some kind of bot which will respond the moment you do anything, you may be shocked to hear that neither I, nor J.d, care about your actions except when they're disrupting Wikipedia for its users and editors. – iridescent21:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
(like six e/c's) No, s/he is not. Iridescent, while perhaps a bit coarse at times, does have the best interests of this project at heart. Considering what Iridescent's talk page is normally like, I have to commend him/her for not lashing back.
Also, I agree with his/her assessment at the MfD. It took a ridiculous amount of effort to get the community to allow bots to delete pages that are completely non-contriversial. I cannot imagine any situation where the community would support allowing a bot to block people. I myself would oppose such a proposal with every ounce of effort I could muster. And especially what you are proposing. Many users, (Gurch is the first example who comes to mind) copy messages from one talk page to another to keep conversations intact. The bot you are proposing would block them for doing this. J.delanoygabsadds21:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Whatever, so it would be disapproved of at WP:BAG, no big deal. It was a failed proposal and it already exists anyway, so I believe that I did the appropriate thing to redirect it to the existing policy. To both of you: it's not like I did anything terribly wrong by making a proposal that wound up failing. It can be redirected, which is what I did. -- IRP☎21:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I can see why my suggestion will (hopefully) be ignored. I wasn't even imagining someone would create a bot that blocks people itself, but the cut-and-paste problem isn't one I had thought about. I guess I pictured a bot that would understand the difference between typing in the characters (like pasting) and typing ~~~~, but I guess it would be easy enough for me to type "J.delanoygabsadds" and effectively outwit such a bot as I imagined. Good to know!--otherlleftI can take the heat23:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism warning for Tooth enamel
Why was this edit by 96.53.149.117 reverted and that user given a vandalism4 warning? I don't agree with his point that the section heading should be changed, but I definitely wouldn't call his starting of that discussion "vandalism." —Politizertalk/contribs22:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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I did not vandalize the page. Assume good faith. I was trying to record the mistakes I made to the section. You might if superficially considered it vandalism but it is important to record forensic or paper trail. And it's important to record your changes so other can understand what you are doing or have done. It's like geology, you have to uncover the layers to uncover/discover the truth.96.53.149.117 (talk) 22:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Apologies for the overzealous editing, i just thought that the "Reception" section, detailing the percentages of positive reviews was possibly irrelevant, especially from rotten tomatoes. Maybe it would be better constructed if it were removed until such time a better table or structure were created? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.162.166 (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I only reverted you because you forgot to use an edit summary, so I thought you were a vandal attacking the page. If you think it should be removed you probably should leave a note on the article's talk page. J.delanoygabsadds00:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
And who would make the ultimate decision as to whether or not it be deleted in that case? I'm not arguing, merely curious as to who would be authoritive enough to be allowed to remove said section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.162.166 (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey J, I remember some time ago that you protected my user page. I assume that means that only I can edit it? Well correct me if I'm wrong but it was just vandalized not too long ago. So I guess I am confused...Wysprgr2005 (talk) 01:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
No, it is not possible to protect userpages so that only they can edit them. What I did was semi-protect it. Since nearly all vandals are either not logged in or their accounts are less four days old, they can't edit it. Apparently that guy was autoconfirmed. J.delanoygabsadds01:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Image deleted as a blatant copyright violation. Thanks for saying something about it. I don't know how that image survived that long. So blatantly obvious. The only really hard part was finding a website that posted the image before it was uploaded here. J.delanoygabsadds03:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thanks
for the unblock.... super quick response, like greased lightening
Greetings, J.delanoy. I'm assuming you're not really a bot, even though I'm not yet fully convinced you're not a frozen dessert on Razna-5.[citation needed] I've been thinking about standing for adminship for about a year now, and at this stage I'm interested to get your perspective on the matter. So here's a handy console: Scheinwerfermann (talk·contribs) and here we go:
Have you ever been blocked? When and for what?
Yep, one block in February of 2007 for getting carried away and violating 3RR.
What (if any) horrible skeletons lie in your editing closet?
My most embarassing behaviour as a Wikipedian is actually an incident spanning a ten-month period: In September 2007, I got caught up in a quarrel over details of an illustration of a fuel injector, and instead of keeping proper perspective about the relative importance of the topic at hand, I let my mouth run away with me. The other party in the quibble was very unhappy with my choice of language, and made it known in numerous forums and discussions not related to the original, but it wasn't until May of 2008 that I went back and declawed my text. I did so not because my feet were held to the fire or for any other expedient reason, but because I took another look at what I'd written and realised I'd been discourteous and gotten wound up way out of proportion to the details of an illustration of a fuel injector. I'd gotten distracted by the spurious goal of being "right" rather than keeping my focus on the improvement of the image in particular and the project in general.
During those ten months, I'd done a great deal of explaining how Wikipedia works (and doesn't work) to a lot of new editors, particularly IP-only editors whose enthusiasm for their pet topics outstripped their regard for WP's protocol and standards of information quality — many new editors regard the rules as a bureaucracy for its own sake, for the privileged few to exercise authoritarian control over what can be added and by whom. I found myself explaining tenets, philosophy and principles so often that I put together a participant's guide of sorts on my user page. As is to be expected, these educational efforts of mine met with mixed results. But I feel the exercise was of great benefit to me in that it drove me to take a hard look at my own contributions and find areas for improvement. One of those is in adherence to it's not what I know, it's what I can document. This is a real toughie for anyone who's enthusiastic and knowledgeable about any given topic, and I'm no exception, but it is absolutely crucial to the quality of this encyclopædia we're building. Another aspect of my contributions I've worked to improve, as I say, is in keeping a civil tone and an appropriate perspective on whatever matter is at hand during discussions. This can get difficult when opinions are passionately held, but it, too, is critical to the success of the project. And that's why I needed to go back and undo my incivility on Talk:Fuel injection, because I couldn't in good conscience guide others towards better understanding and closer compliance with Wikipedia's tenets without moving in that same direction myself.
No, actually, and perhaps this will be a dealbreaker with respect to adminship; some !voters will likely oppose on that basis alone. I'm torn: on the one hand, it would certainly look good if I were to throw my shoulder to the AfD grindstone for awhile, if for no other reason than to gain experience per se. On the other hand, I'm reminded of some reactions I got when I was finishing up high school and casting around for opportunities to serve my community: "Are you asking because you need to put something in the 'community service' box on a college application?", to which honesty required me to reply in the affirmative. I think there is probably little real value in doing X, Y, or Z just to have it on my Wikipedia resumé, and it would also verge on dishonesty.
That being the case, the community has to have some other reliable way of assessing my community involvement. I participate frequently and thoughtfully in Wikipedia's consensus-building and housekeeping processes, usually within the sphere of my areas of interest and expertise. I try to take a leadership role and facilitate consensus-building on matters of technical administration; for examples see here and here and here. As for housekeeping, when I find existing tools lacking, I make a new one (or two or three) if I'm able. When I see talk page hierarchy all hashed up making it hard to see who's responding to whom, I fix it. When I see vandalism or other improper contributions, I take especial care not just to clean it up, but to alert and/or warn its perpetrators appropriately — not just so they'll be aware they're doing it wrong and someone sees them doing it wrong, but also to facilitate appropriate corrective action if they carry on damaging the project. When conflicts require mediation of one sort or another, I initiate and/or participate in it, see here. When I suspect sock puppetry, I report it properly; see here and here. When AIV is needed, I formally request it ([9][10]). I participate in the give and take of informal dispute resolution. When I can, I enforce important provisions that don't require administrator intervention ([11]).
Are there any major mainspace contribs or other subsantial edits that you are particularly proud of?
Yes. I spend a lot of time contributing to articles. I am proud of my prodigious work on Headlamp, Automotive lighting, Daytime running lamp, Chrysler Slant-6 engine, and Chrysler Valiant, amongst many others; one of the things I need to be careful of is the tendency to feel ownership of articles to which I've contributed. Sometimes this necessitates taking breaks and just not watching a particular article for awhile. It can be difficult, but that's what's called for! Sometimes assistance is helpful in staying on the right side of that line; I'm not afraid or ashamed to request it and then work within the negotiated discussion to move forward productively.
When I find myself reading articles in need of improvement, even if they're outside my areas of interest or direct expertise, I work to improve them.
At the moment, I think one of the better single mainspace contribs I've made is this one.
Is there anyone else who has expressed interest in nomming you for adminship?
Is there anyone specific (other than me :-) ) you would have particularly liked to nominate you?(If yes, I can ask them if they would like to co-nom.)
Any or all of the above...actually, anyone other than myself. I would be more comfortable standing for adminship on another party's nomination, rather than a self-nomination. I realise there's a range of opinions on self-nomination, and I don't necessarily come down on either side of it, but I'd want it crystal clear that I'm standing for adminship not because I need to be an administrator, but because the project needs admins and I think I can probably do good work in that capacity as long as I carry on participating and learning.
Hi Scheinwerfermann. I admit it: I just copy/pasted that. Sue me :P
Your answers were very, very good. Thank you! There^^ is a very thorough and, to plagiarize another editor, refreshingly honest self-appraisal. I particularly like your response to the AFD question. That shows good sense and honesty. I wish more people would do that.
I just finished doing a review for another person's ER, so if it's okay with you, I think I had better wait until tomorrow or the next day to do a full review of your contribs, just so I don't confuse the two of you. For now, just a few quick notes:
I looked over a summary of your contribs using a few tools. Although you don't have a ridiculous number of contribs compared to many recent candidacies, you have more or less contributed steadily for almost three years. A block 21 months ago for 3RR is not a concern. Besides, I also see you have +rollback, which is proof that you are not a serial edit-warrior. One concern that will almost definitely be voiced in a potential RFA will be your (apparent) lack of project space contribs. However, this may or may not be a deal-breaker. I'll ping you on your talk page when I do fully review. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds01:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Whew, glad you like my answers; I was worried I'd babbled at excessive length. No hurry, please; to be perfectly Soviet about it, I waited a year or so to look seriously at the possibility of standing for an RfA, so why should a few days or weeks make any difference! Looking forward to your detailed remarks. Have a good weekend. —ScheinwerfermannT·C02:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, I looked over your contribs. I, well, I'm not really sure if you could pass an RFA. Your Wikipedia-space contribs are kind of sparce, but you've been contributing pretty steadily for a long time. I'm going to ask another editor who has more experienced at RFA noms what he thinks. J.delanoygabsadds17:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to cut in, but I see that Balloonman hasn't responded yet. I haven't delved all that deep into your contributions, but from my personal experience at RFA, you will likely run into difficulties because of your little contribs to the Wikipedia namespace. If you could show that you really do know the area, despite what appears to be inexperience at face value, you might be able to get through an RFA relatively unscathed. To be frank, and I always am, I think you'd have trouble getting a successful RFA at this time. Useight (talk) 03:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Useight. I really liked what I saw, but the problem isn't what I saw, but rather what I didn't see---and that's the demonstration of policy knowledge in areas outside of a wikiproject. When dealing with wikispace edits, as it relates to RfAs, wikiprojects don't get the same respect as non-wikiprojects. I won't say that it would be impossible for him to pass an RfA right now, but do suspect that you would run into a large number of opposes. Scheinwerfermann would be a candidate that I would probably end up struggling with. He has a lot going for him, has a great attitude towards the project, has shown the ability to discuss issues, and in his niche he has shown some policy knowledge. I do think he would benefit taking a month or two to get exposure in some policy areas---such as XfDs. By making 2-4 edits per day at XfD (or another area showing policy knowledge) for a month or two, he would be able to show policy knowledge. If he could make 2-4 edits in two areas per day, then he would be a much stronger candidate. Yes, in some ways it is jumping through hoops, but it is also a way to gain the experience necessary to show that he is ready for the mop. Sometimes you have to jump through hoops to get where you want. Again, it wouldn't take much, but without some experience in the wikispace dealing with policies/procedures/etc he probably would fail.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon05:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Useight and Balloonman, thanks for your comments. I'll look at expanding the scope of my activities to include wikispace beyond the confines of a project. Balloonman, could you clarify one of your remarks for me? You say at this time I'd be a candidate you'd "end up struggling with", and I want to make sure I understand you. Do you mean you'd struggle to support a bid for adminship at this time? Or do you mean you see something in my contributions that suggests you and I might clash? —ScheinwerfermannT·C20:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Sheinwerfermann, what I meant is, and I need to give some background on this. I am one of the tougher critics at RfA. I tend to spend more time than most on reviewing candidates---for better or worse, it is my niche. I like to read through people's histories/backgrounds. Which might make other areas of interest to me as well, but this is the one where I've found myself working. I don't support people simply because I like them, but rather because I truly believe they know and understand policy. I have some tough criteria for passing candidates, but there is one attribute that over-rides all other criteria---the ability to communicate constructively. I will support people who lack experience in some areas if they are "seen by the community as admins already." Likewise, I will oppose people who are very knowledgable, but can't communicate with others. You are a candidate who is lacking some key skills/attributes that I would like to see---which would often result in an automatic oppose. BUT you have a strong head on your shoulder and a strong ability to communicate. You are exactly the type of person that should be an admin, but you have obvious holes in your experience/background. This means that if you were to run for admin today, I would struggle with how I would vote. I would probably end up opposing, but it would be an oppose that I didn't feel comfortable with. There have been others whom I've opposed, but stuggled with (Fritzpol (The Fritz nom'ed by Keeper?) being a classic example.)---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon00:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much for that constructive feedback. Seems to me I've got a much easier task filling gaps in my experience and know-how than I would if it were the other way round (lots of experience but poor communication skills). I'll work on filling those gaps and then think again about standing for adminship. —ScheinwerfermannT·C02:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The good news for you is that gaining experience in key areas is the easy task, it's the people who have personality issues that have a real challenge. For you, it is just a matter of getting experience, not changing how others view you.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon04:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
SweatMonkey
Hello. We noticed that you recently deleted our attempt to enter data about our website. SweatMonkey.org, if you had taken the time to review our website, is all about helping students 13 and older find opportunity. We do this WITHOUT fees, unlike McDonalds or Burger King who ARE on Wikipedia. Our entire focus is helping build community around students and we ARE a NON-profit. What do we do to keep from getting bumped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.112.16 (talk) 14:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, JD. Earlier today I ran across this and this. To my eye, both of these seem to violate WP:NOT#STATS, go against several provisions described in WP:LISTCRUFT, and — perhaps of greatest concern — appear to be nothing more or less than a wholesale grab-and-partially-formatted-dump of the information at www.fueleconomy.gov (without the nicety of alphabetic listing or vehicle categorisation sections). Both of these articles have been deleted, both deletions have been contested, both articles have been restored, and one of the articles has been re-nommed for deletion with a result of keep. It looks to me as if most of the arguments put forth by pro-keep !voters boil down to "I like it", and many of the !vote justifications evince little or no understanding of Wikipedia protocol and policy (e.g. "it's not "listcruft", whatever that means").
What is the appropriate action to take, if any? I don't believe these articles belong, I don't think they can be brought into line with policy and protocol; I think they ought to be deleted. But I don't know if there's much good to be done by reopening a closed debate, even if the standing conclusion seems to have been based on very shaky ground. I would appreciate your thoughts; I'm asking one or two other admins, as well. Thanks! —ScheinwerfermannT·C20:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm. I'm not really sure. I think it's pretty borderline. But I have little experience at AFD, so if you're not sure you could ask someone like StarM or MBisanz. Sorry I can't be of more help. J.delanoygabsadds20:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
(Butting in) You have DGG on that AfD, and he's almost never wrong when it comes to that kind of call. Remember, although WP:NOT says "policy" at the top, it's not a policy in the sense that, say, IAR is; it's a collection of the personal prejudices of any passing editor who's decided to add their piece, along the lines of the MOS. (The "policy" header stems mainly from the fact that it's linked from WP:FIVE, albeit not from WP:TRIFECTA; the only part of it that I'd consider any kind of policy, as opposed to a vague guideline, is "Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia and, as a means to that end, an online community of people interested in building a high-quality encyclopedia in a spirit of mutual respect. Therefore, there are certain things that Wikipedia is not." – and that's so vague as to be meaningless.) – iridescent20:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
You asked this on my page as well, but I have to agree. DGG is pretty solid in this area. But even if he wasn't sometimes when it comes to articles, they do survive despite our strong convictions to the contrary. My suggestion is to wait a month or two, and if you still believe they should be deleted nominate them at that time. Consensus can change, and this is particularly true when dealing with articles that might be watched by the "Ilikeit" crowd or that is currently in the news. (While wikipedia isn't the news, often articles based upon news survive RfA's, only to be deleted 3-6 months later.) Also, asking the closing admin is always an option. I have seen closing admins change their stance when asked or providing solid answers.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon00:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
He hasn't edited for 72 hours, so I don't think a block here would do anything; he's probably long gone. Thanks for the heads up, though. J.delanoygabsadds22:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I waited until my suspension was over before I made edits.
Hi, You left a comment in my talk page saying that I somehow circumvented my suspension. I can assure you this is not true. I did make some edits without logging in, but they were not during my suspension. I know this because my IP was blocked for the duration of my suspension and I didn't switch IPs. I caused confusion by making edits without logging in. (My fault.)Veecort (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
However, this user has returned from his edit war block to make the exact same edits three times in the last fifteen hours, reverting against multiple editors and only discussing it on the talk page after his reversions. [13][14] (as IP) [15]Dayewalker (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I am aware of that, but I do not like making 3RR blocks, so I will usually only do so if the editor in question actually has violated the letter of the 3RR. J.delanoygabsadds22:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi J.delanoy, you just did a revert on the Shakira article. I was wondering, would you mind taking a look at the history, and consider semi-protecting the page for a bit? There's been a lot of vandalism today, and quite a bit this last week, and I was thinking about requesting protection at RFPP. I would protect it myself, but I've done over 400 edits to that article, so it wouldn't be appropriate for me to do so. :) Thanks in advance. Acalamari18:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
sorry to bug you but I manage Marcy Diamond. she is a white model and soon coming out in a movie.
how do i get her on here? she has a myspace, personal website, etc. (not nude modeling, -just hip-hop)
thanks and i appreciate your time. [email protected]—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.213.69 (talk) 19:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Butting in here . . . if Marcy has gotten coverage in the news you can probably do it. She needs to have proof that she's a notable person, which generally means that someone other than herself is talking about her in the news or online. That's why websites like MySpace and blogs aren't considered reliable; the users themselves can change the information. Has she been covered in the New York Times or a prominent fashion magazine, perhaps?--otherlleftI can take the heat19:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
It's actually only been created twice, so I don't think it needs to be salted yet. Thanks for letting me know, though, and if it re-created again, I will salt it. Cheers! J.delanoygabsadds20:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I can't get in to change their record and their schedule hasn't been updated. So it either needs to be updated or the disclaimer that it documents a current sports related event should be removed as it is inaccurate. They don't even have the update on a game 29 days ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.195.36 (talk • contribs) at 20:33, November 24, 2008
We must be watching the same articles, but you have a faster connection, because you usually beat me to the blocks! As long as the job gets done. --Rodhullandemu22:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Actually, most of the time, I block people after reverting them in Huggle, so I think that's probably why I usually beat you. My internet is 5Mb/s downstream, not that great. J.delanoygabsadds22:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
You should read the recreated (now deleted/salted) version of this, it seems someone has stumbled onto your secret :-)--Jac16888 (talk) 03:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I think I figured our your ploy . . . you continue to have admin-only secretive discussions on your talk page to make people want to go through an RfA just to figure out what's so darned funny! That's it, isn't it?
In other news . . . thanks for the review. I daresay I expected more things to work on! You're dead-on about Huggle . . . I swear it comes up with a new way to trick me every once in awhile, just to keep me scared of it! Well, respectful of its power is a better term, I think. Iridescent warned me well when originally granting me rollback, but I don't think it can be repeated often enough, can it?--otherlleftNo, really, other way . . .05:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
heh. As far as Huggle goes, just take it slow and think about what you are reverting. Huggle can very easily lull you into a mode where everything looks like vandalism. Just watch out for this and you should be fine. Also, if something seems borderline, it's often best to just leave it. Or open it up in a tab in your browser and come back in 10 or 15 minutes to see if someone reverted.
As far as those redlinks go, they're not really that big of a deal. If you want, I can email you the wikitext so you can copy/paste and hit "show preview" in the sandbox or somewhere. J.delanoygabsadds05:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure I will master Huggle in time, so that my que? quotient drops to near zero (since I know that you still make mistakes with it, I figure a goal of no errors is a tad unrealistic).
hi, i must contest your removal of the information regarding matt lucas's involvement in funny or die uk, and the the removal of the link to his official blog. this should count under his career as much as his tv work as he is directly involved in the project, and the link to his blog is as much an appropriate external link as a link to an official celebrity website/fansite (seeing as he does not have a website).
I implore you to reconsider the content i added regarding John Edwards. I believe it is accurate and by no means offensive in any way, shape or form. Perhaps you should re-assess your perspective on the matter, enlighten yourself through research and consider an alternate viewpoint.
Hello J.delanoy. Since Veecort has admitted to off-site canvassing on an anti-ITT bulletin board, how would you feel if I extend the semi-protection on this article to 1 month, and close the 3RR case that way? Veecort himself has promised to reform so he should not be blocked. EdJohnston (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
You kept blanking the page, so I thought you wanted it to be deleted. In any case, the article appears to have been a direct copy/paste of http://www.englishandmedia.co.uk/emc_files/emc/admin/about/about_p01.html. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material. If you would like to recreate the page, you are free to do so, as long as you use your own words. But please note that your page does not appear to meet our notability guidelines, so it may be deleted again if you recreate it. You should take a look at our guide to writing your first article for more information about what is required for articles to be included here. J.delanoygabsadds17:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
gotcha. I don't mind it not being up there if it's not appropriate, just didn't want people to search for English and Media Centre and see lots of error messages. Think this will be my first and last wikipedia entry for a while! Thanks for your help. Rscambler (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
You recently reverted the changes I made to the above mentioned article, siting vandalism as the reason.
I now kindly refer you a statement given on the vandalism page:
"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism. For example, adding a controversial personal opinion to an article once is not vandalism; reinserting it despite multiple warnings is. Not all vandalism is obvious, nor are all massive or controversial changes vandalism. Careful attention may need to be given to whether changes made are beneficial, detrimental but well-intended, or outright vandalism."
Certainly my edit qualifies as a good-faith effort and not vandalism. If someone believes my addition of Bauck to the famous people from Curacao list is unwarranted, then a discussion should ensue, but certainly I should not be labeled as a vandal.
I've been continuously re-changing the undoes, but the only other comment that was made was that his notoriety was not evident. So perhaps you removed my change due to the fact that it had been removed before. So I ask, what qualifies as evident notoriety? Surely BalusC qualifies. Any search engine anywhere will quickly reveal him as notable. Also note that his notoriety is equal to those also mentioned on the list.
Notability is not determined from how many search engine hits a term brings up. Although a search engine can be helpful, it is not definitive. Notability is established through significant coverage by neutral, reliable third-party sources. :Also, names on pages like that generally should have a Wikipedia article about them before including them there. Since the person you added there does not have a Wikipedia article, it is almost certain that it will be removed by other editors. J.delanoygabsadds17:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, admins can edit the main page. However, practically everything on there is transcluded based on the date, so it is rare that there is a real need to edit the main page. J.delanoygabsadds21:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
J (hope you don't mind me calling you that), he is referring to the "real,real" main page, meaning the one at wikipedia.org, not Main Page. And, to IRP, you can view the HTML of it. It is not wikicode. DavidWS(contribs)23:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I know you were probably using an automated tool, but this warning is unwarranted. The user was trying to G7 a user sub-page that Nigel Hart was moved from. I have been helping them figure this all out so would appreciate it if you deleted the warning. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 18:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm. Now that I actually look at it, I'm not sure. In any case, the reason I reverted is because he removed 36 kilobytes of well-written, reasonably cited, and neutral text with no explanation. He also removed some interwiki links. I don't know what he is trying to do. It almost looks to me as though he is saving an old version of the page. J.delanoygabsadds18:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not sure either. It just didn't look like the typical mal-edits that I see from patrolling my "B", so I left it alone. There were a pair of other edits intermingled with this from the same IP address, but the district involved here NATs everything through the one address, so I'm not even sure how many stations the edits actually came from. NERIC-Security (talk) 19:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism comments for Alenxander227
Hello J.Delanoy. I have written a huge article on chiranjeevi complying with the wikipedia standards and people are coming and deleting the article when I am trying to change it back to originla I am receving vandalism comments. Please look into it. This is not fair. Please respond. Thanks Alexander227 (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Alexander227
Thanks
Wow, that was quick reply. I appreciate it. And also regarding the article onNandamuri Balakrishna it appears like a fan site comparing to contemporaries and all. It's like worship. When I am trying to change it to make it comply with the wikipedia standards they are not allowing me to do so. Please look into the article you will understand yourself. Thanks for the quick reply and please respond. Alexander227 (talk) 21:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Alexander227
J.delanoy, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) TheHelpfulOne22:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste {{subst:User:Neurolysis/THOBS}} and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies
The anonymous user you just warned has been deleting the same information for the past 24 hours. A Whois check shows the two IPs, 78.147.1.213 and 89.243.93.199, belong to Opal Telecommunications Plc in Manchester, England. Is a block now in order, considering this is his seventh act of vandalism in a day? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'18:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. I don't know. I guess I'll wait and see if they continue. I watchlisted the page, and if either of them do it again, I'll block them both for 48 hours. J.delanoygabsadds18:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I signed onto wikipedia yesterday at doctor school and did not sign out. I believe somebody tampered with the article after I had left.
Aaronbusenbark (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Sincerest apologies,
Pre-Dr. Aaron Busenbark
some help
hi i need some help in riding bias away from these kashmir related articles the himalaya page was recently vandalized by a indian editor who slapped on administered next the k2 location table i did the same to indian mountains and the indians erupted with anger and abuse of wikipedia policy please reply when you get time shovon and the greyanomoly are the biggest problem here 86.156.211.85 (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
let me try again i wanted to ask you if you could level out the bias against pakistan on articles such as Himalaya which states k2 is in pakistan administered kashmir and doesnt even mention indias administered territory also could you look into wakhan corridor its also stating a biased pro india POV and NUN KUN which is being vandalized by indian as they do not want to see the disputed tag notes on its location box thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.211.85 (talk) 18:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
That dispute has been going on for longer than I have been alive. I do not think you really understand how little most Americans and British (read: the vast majority of English speakers) care about which country a freaking mountain is in. If you want to change it, go ahead. I won't guarantee that you will not be reverted and/or warned, but I have no interest in getting involved in an unresolvable ethnic battle which Wikipedia does not affect at all. Aren't there some typos you could fix or some simple vandalism you could revert instead? J.delanoygabsadds18:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thanks for the reply its ironic you mentioned uk it did have a empire in india after all lol but thats another topic the reason i messaged you is to get you to remove the disputed tags from wakhan corridor because its protected a editor called william has been siding with shovon and the greyanomoly editer and is adding disputed tags could you atleast ask william to stop siding with the indian editors i know westerners despise muslims allot but for the sake of NONPOV on wikipedia could you atleast try and be neutral 86.156.211.85 (talk) 18:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I know little about the topic, so it would be inappropriate for me to get involved at the request of another person. If you want to be able to edit the page yourself, all you have to do is create an account and wait four days, while making ten edits in that time. J.delanoygabsadds18:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome back. It was news to me too, I hadn't logged in to Wikipedia for a while and decided to get editing, then I found I was blocked. I don't know if somebody got my password, or I left a session open, but I changed my password and got one of the nice admins to recover my account :) MessagefromXENUu, t20:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Please tell me why I should do that. J.delanoygabs[[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|
I do not want FrancisLightHouse to be on Wikipedia. And FrancisLightHouse's account is blocked and if the account is block from adding than it should not be in Wikipedia please be nice and remove all content that has to due with FrancisLightHouse.(FLHWEB (talk) 23:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC))
Heh, yeah, I suppose I took a few. Iridescent still has a lot more than me, though. Lucky them. XP (and thanks for fixing the formatting. I'm looking at this from Huggle, so I didn't notice he broke it.) J.delanoygabsadds00:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't quite figure out how to reassemble your sig so I just figured a /font tag would sort things out. Huggle functions as a browser too? Or ir shows your page in a tab? I'm a twinkle girl who has *gasp* never used Huggle (and won't, I think it's too complicated for me, plus I'm not sure it runs on a Mac. StarM01:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
It can work like a browser, except that 1) it is very, very slow if you are trying to display an entire page rather than just the diff, 2) it can only display pages on en.wikipedia and 3) it really just piggybacks the .NET framework's System.Forms.webbrowser, which allows you to display a web page inside a program with practically no effort at all. To edit pages, it just uses the MediaWiki API. As far as Huggle goes, I thought we convinced you to try it a while ago on WP:AN/K. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else... And no, it doesn't work on a Mac, again (as far as I know) because most .NET emulators do not support System.Forms.webbrowser. J.delanoygabsadds01:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Well most of what you said just went right over my head, but I know .NET framework doesn't work on the Mac because I *really* miss the Wikicite app I used to use to do citations because it made it so brainless. For as little vandal work I do, Twinkle works fine and I love how it handles the AfD. I've been playing in the backlog more and I miss easy citations but I have been housekeeping. Oh and re: below, I am in total awe that you manage to balance 18 credits, pt work and wiki. StarM02:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism?
Not at all, rather an honest question to my dear Mr. Vandalism Destroyer. In light of his name and page contents, the question seems pertinent. And given your swift reaction, Sir Knight, one may put the same query to you. 86.45.6.82 (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
(to IP editor) Your edits are unacceptable. Wikipedia may end up being a useless pile of ones and zeros, or perhaps merely a few scattered electrons on some smashed and radioactive hard drives, but in the meantime, it is the single easiest way in the entire world to find information. Thus, perhaps you should ask yourself your own question. By removing your crap, I am doing something constructive, so no matter how trivial what I am doing is or may end up being, I am definitely not wasting my time. By attempting to destroy perfectly good information, you are doing something unconstructive. Consequently, you are unquestionably wasting your time. J.delanoygabsadds01:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, but since when was this about me? You rage but at some numbers - is this a nerve? Do I not seem far more comfortable with this slipping of existence than yourself? Also, the initial question remains unanswered. Introspect, I ask, yet all you offer is deflection. 86.45.6.82 (talk) 01:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am doing something with my life. Right now, I am taking 19.5 credit hours at college, with 18 of them being math and computer science courses. I work part time around 15 hours a week. For next semester, I signed up for 18 credit hours, 15 of them math, science, or computer science. While I do not yet know what that will allow me to do with my life, I seriously doubt it will be trivial. J.delanoygabsadds02:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Doing constructive work on Wikipedia is not trivial, it is valuable volunteer service. Some people help the world by picking up litter along the highway, some help at soup kitchens, and some keep this free repository of information working well. Useight (talk) 02:08, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
It is a nerve, then. No wonder, with a life like that, you spend your free time reverting edits. Indeed, when asked what constituted "life", both replied with more drudge; education, work. The kind of lives you lead indeed. My work here may well have been done for me.86.45.6.82 (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it may seem like that to you. However, you do not know what I do in the real world. There are 24 hours in a day, and I do not even come close to spending that much time on this website. When am not here, I could potentially be doing anything. I will not elaborate, because I am certain that you will not believe me. Aside from that, editing Wikipedia is something I enjoy. Different people like different things. I have never understood the point of things like Myspace or Facebook. But my sisters love them.
Speaking of education, it is the people who care about getting an education who have made our civilization possible. Without them, Wikipedia, the Internet, computers, hell, even electricity would not be available to you. By virtue of the fact that you are, right now, sitting on a computer editing my talk page, I think that you would have to agree that I am correct about this. J.delanoygabsadds02:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
At the top I read that he is being considered for being deleted? For real? He needs to get off wikipedia and needs to get blocked or somethign because he deleted my article and I am not happy. You know what J. delanoy stay out of my business. And you wikipedia Admins should delete the account of this idiot because he does not know what he is doing.
That trial does not seem fake to me. But I wish it was real, at least that way we could get stupid users off of wikipedia. Shame if what he said was correct.
Why don't you just stay out of the conflict? You obviously have better things to do. And I should report you for being nosy. NOW STAY OUT OF THE CONFLICT!
Look David, I have tried to be civil with you. We can sort it out on our own and we do not need your intervention. I only violated one policy at worst, personal attacks. Nosiness may not be an issue on wikipedia, but it is in life in general. I am sick of this silly fight and just admit that you lost because you already have. Now leave me alone, or I WILL report you for harassment.
Okay then, you can't delete accounts, just don't erase any of my articles like you did with Kel Davies. I now realize it is just a parody, fine. By the way, David did a really poor job so no need to thank him. I will not insult you if you do not erase my articles.
Well, he is more important than the average person or John Doe, but not as important as Martin Luther King Jr. for example. He does play COD4. People want to know this stuff. The fact that he is such a solid player is why he is important to 6 Billion People
I am thankful that I have a family and friends to have a joyful meal with this Thanksgiving. I am also thankful to have found some good role models for how to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, such as yourself. Thanks for being levelheaded and thick-skinned on nights like tonight.--otherlleftNo, really, other way . . .03:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Suggestions?
Hi, JD. Listen, I think we may have a bit of a storm brewing. I'm not hollering for intervention just yet, but I'd like to get your thoughts on how best to handle this editor if s/he proves difficult to cool down and get pointed in the right direction. Thanks —ScheinwerfermannT·C04:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear J.delanoy,
I know you are more experienced on Wikipedia than me, but you forgot to sign here! I was looking through the pages so I can add notes about contributions. Best Regards, Limideen 15:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Call this a cry for help deletion
You deleted the article for the film Call This a Cry for Help, because you claim it has no noteriety or legitimacy. Well, as linked on the page, this film is included on IMDb and has recently become available on Amazon for purchase on DVD and Amazon Unbox. It debuted at the first annual Independent Features film festival, which was the very first entirely online international film festival EVER. The film played for an entire month and was seen by people all over the world. This film is a registered, copywritten movie that has a copy stored in the Library of Congress. If these things don't make this film notable and legitimate then I don't know what does. Please do the right thing and return this page to where it belongs. This is Wikipedia, information is king. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Director14ty (talk • contribs) 16:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I am interested in your opinion on this little dispute. IMHO the user seems to have an antipathy against all things Japanese. Whatever, I do not know how to deal with the Korean language section which basically renders the exclusive interpretation to Korean speakers, complicating a simple matter. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Can you please explain your reason for reverting my edit to pulmonary contusion? It was an improvement, not vandalism, and I left an edit summary. I certainly understand reasonable people may disagree over a stylistic change (or in this case a stylistic change which included fixing an incredibly poorly worded sentence that started with a list and ended with what the list was for; a stylistic abomination, as well as a completely incorrect part of speech, "requisite", being used where "required" was meant. I do not understand such reversion without explanation. I know you get a lot of vandalism on Wikipedia from ip users, but you really need to look at edits before blindly reverting or at least provide some clue of your reasoning for reverting an obvious good faith edit that makes sense. 151.202.35.71 (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I manually undid my edit, and I apologize for reverting you. I am using a software tool to help me fight vandalism, and I was trying to go back to a different page that I had passed over, and I clicked back one too few times. When I realized my mistake, I told the tool to cancel the action and undo the edit. Apparently, someone else immediately edited the page, so my tool did not complete the undo action, but it did not notify me of this. I will do my best to be more careful in the future. Again, I am sorry for wrongly reverting you. J.delanoygabsadds04:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although we invite everyone to contribute constructively, you are reverting vandalism way to fast. Please slow down, and let other users get vandalism. Thank you. ;-)))
The IP replaced one piece of vandalism with another. So we were both adding vandalism each time we rolled back. Not a bad way to beat the Hugglers/Twinklers. – iridescent00:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Technically correct, according to the Defenders Of The Wiki's en-dash police. I believe J.d has heard my opinions on the en-dash policy already. – iridescent00:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Header added 18
hi,
i'm not sure what you are sorry about. but are you thinking of deleting this page?
Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Pussycat dolls
Hi, I think you made an error with the Pussycat Dolls article, you reinstated some vandalism. It has been reverted to the actual ref quotes now.--Design (talk) 06:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
If you open this page, you will see a countless amount of bad faith accounts (the ones with all of those exclamation marks) towards the top of the list, giving their userpages a higher visibility, and give us extra searching before we finally get to the first good faith user. I think the list should put the blocked users at the end. -- IRP☎18:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
It lists them in order of their ASCII character designation. An exclamation point has the lowest number, so it comes first. It has nothing to do with anything else, and in any case, administrators cannot change how special pages work. Sorry. J.delanoygabsadds18:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
They probably could. If you want to propose that, I would go to WP:VPT and see if anyone knows if something like that is feasible. They could also give you advice on how to proceed from there. J.delanoygabsadds18:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
←It says "Bugs and feature requests should be made at the BugZilla because there is no guarantee developers will read this page." I don't have a BugZilla account. Do you know any developer(s) I can contact? -- IRP☎18:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering why this page I created was deleted. It was not in violation of 'speedy deletion' rule A7. The rule states that "...to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable."
The article that I created states "Kevinandbradyproductions's channel has over 1000 views and the 2 creators have achieved fame at South Middle School in Nampa, Idaho." I am wondering 1. why this doesn't conform to rule A7 and 2. what do I need to do to make it wikipedia-worthy.
As you seem to have become a semi-mentor to IRP, can you keep an eye on this situation, which I just noticed (his talkpage is still watchlisted from my conversation with him last week). While I've posted a (hopefully not too rude) "please stop" notice, I don't want to start with the full-blown scaremongering myself – after our exchange of views last week, it might look like I'm stalking him – but I don't think he realises just how much trouble he's going to get in very quickly if he decides to make himself the self-appointed arbiter of what can and can't be on userpages (quite aside from the spectacular show of bad faith shown in "I have removed this article from your list of achievements, as I don't believe that you were the one who wrote it"). He's obviously here in good faith, but he doesn't seem to understand how Wikipedia works, and he'll probably listen to the explanation better from you than from me – and while it may seem a bit rude, it's far better for him to get warnings and explanations now, than to suddenly find himself blocked should he try something like this with someone less patient. – iridescent19:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions with User:J.delanoy. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Done — 60.50.16.0/20 blocked (anon-only; account creation disabled) for 1 week. I will continue to watch it, though, because his ISP has a much larger chunk, and it is not impossible that he may be able to get another IP range. J.delanoygabsadds 04:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
gmail [dot] com. J.delanoygabsadds 17:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Will actively monitor user. ;-) J.delanoygabsadds 18:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
User(s) blocked. for 1 year. Thanks for the heads up. J.delanoygabsadds 17:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Imperat§ r(Talk) 17:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
BTW, I sent a request in for NPWathing. It shows up [4] here, but it doesn't here. Could you check it out? Thanks! Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 18:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
L'Aquatique[talk] 18:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
J.delanoy, the editor you are, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that you satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space. Your opinions on yourself are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at User:GlassCobra/Editor for deletion#J.delanoy and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit during the discussion but should not remove the nomination (unless you wish not to participate); such removal will not end the deletion discussion (actually it will). Thank you, and have a good sense of humor :).--otherlleft (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. 
deleted as a blatant copyright violation. Thanks for saying something about it. I don't know how that image survived that long. So blatantly obvious. The only really hard part was finding a website that posted the image before it was uploaded here. J.delanoygabsadds 03:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Semi-protected for a period of one month. After one month, the editing protection will automatically expire. ;-) J.delanoygabsadds 18:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you – ukexpat (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although we invite everyone to contribute constructively, you are reverting vandalism way to fast. Please slow down, and let other users get vandalism. Thank you. ;-)))
Not done. I'll let you two sort this out. Useight (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
