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April 2018[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Bennv3771. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Mariafe Artacho del Solar, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Bennv3771 (talk) 02:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bennv3771, thank you for reverting that. Yes the event hasn't played out so will update it again when it has. 02:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I reread your source and it does NOT include the date he died. I encourage ou to undo your edit. Rusted AutoParts 23:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rusted AutoParts, the original source contains the date. If you notice on that website, articles that are from the previous date reverts to the date, which provides the same information as the reference you are trying to replace it with. It currently displays X hours ago because it is recent and current. Iamthomas nine (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have reloaded the article twice and reread it again. I’m telling you it doesn’t include the date of death like the source I provided. I’ll paste here verbatim what your source states:

“Legendary broadcaster Darrell Eastlake has died aged 75 after a long battle with illness. Tributes poured in for the man with the booming voice and larger than life personality, who spent more than two decades at Nine entertaining audiences with his colourful commentary and his trademark catchphrase of ‘huuuuuuuuuge’. Eastlake’s impressive career included a stint co-hosting Wide World of Sports as well as covering rugby league, the British Open golf, the Commonwealth Games, the Winter Olympics and motor racing.

"Darrell was a larger than life character who loomed into Australian households with excitement and authenticity," Nine's Director of Sport Tom Malone said. "His impact on sports broadcasting was huge, transforming the way millions of Australians consumed and appreciated sport."

Eastlake started his career as a Qantas baggage handler before turning his attention to making surfboards and running a surf shop at Cronulla. His first foray into the media came in the 1960s when he provided surf reports to Sydney radio station 2UW. Eastlake first started calling rugby league for NBN-3 in Newcastle before calling weightlifting for Nine at the Commonwealth Games in 1982. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph in 2010, Eastlake recalled that he had concerns about the role after confessing he had no idea about the sport. “I start really loudly, calling blokes power packs, mini battleships and all that stuff,” Eastlake said. (Respected broadcaster) David Vine takes me outside and he said, ‘Mate what are you doing? We call it the gentleman’s sport.’ “I said, ‘Well that’s how I call the football games and that’s what I’m going to do’. So I rang (former Nine executive producer David Hill) and go, ‘Mate, I’m copping some s--- out here’ and Hilly said, ‘Mate, the bloody rooms here are riveted, you’re gonna turn this sport upside down’.

“And we did turn it upside down.” While we had a distinct knack for calling weightlifting and other sports, it was Nine’s State of Origin coverage where he really excelled in a 10-year stint from 1983 to 1993. Eastlake brought his own level of excitement to the rugby league showpiece event and if he got too carried away during the call in the commentary box then Hill was known to belt him over the head with a rolled up newspaper to settle him down. He worked with a vast array of talented commentators throughout his career including Ken Sutcliffe, Mike Gibson, Ian Maurice as well as a number of sporting legends in Ian Chappell, Jack Gibson, Ray Warren, Mick Cronin, Peter Sterling and Paul Vautin. Sutcliffe still recalls the day when former Nine boss Kerry Packer called from an overseas holiday to find out how one of his horses had run at Randwick.

Eastlake picked up the call and quickly went from his normal jovial self to a nervous wreck after trying to explain to an increasingly disappointed Packer that his horse had finished just out of the placings. When the Nine boss hissed who was on the other end of the line Eastlake blurted out, “Ian Maurice” and hung up the phone. “You just couldn’t help but get into trouble in his company,” Sutcliffe said. “I never got thrown out of a hotel and I got thrown out because I was with Darrell - and I was 40-odd years of age. “He was larger than life, and he loved life. He was noisy, passionate, infuriating and funny.”

Eastlake’s over-the-top style, aimed at raising viewers’ excitement, was eventually immortalised by comedian Billy Birmingham in his The Twelfth Man sporting commentary impersonations, with the signature phrase of ‘taking the voice back up to the threshold of pain’ (as his voice rose higher). He eventually retired from the media in 2005 before it emerged in 2010 that he was suffering from Alzheimer’s disease, dementia and emphysema prompting his move into an aged care home on the Central Coast. His wife of two decades, Julie, was a regular visitor and told A Current Affair during an interview in 2016 that it had been difficult watching the declining health of a man whose career and personality had been larger than life. “I do a lot of crying when I leave the nursing home,” she said. “I sit here and say to myself, ‘Where’s my man gone?’”

The source I provided very clearly stipulates he died Thursday morning. I encourage you to restore it. Rusted AutoParts 23:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t understand why you’re taking such issue with this. The Sydney Morning Herald is just a more notable news source to use. And it includes the date of death which your source doesn’t. Rusted AutoParts 00:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rusted AutoParts, please explain your reason for the edit "Sydney Morning Herald a better source than both. Also includes DOD". What information does the article on Sydney Morning Herald have that makes it 'better' than both sources? Darrell Eastlake was a TV presenter for Wide World of Sports. The original source is from Wide World of Sports and you have made several attempts at removing the original source as a reference. Can you explain your actions?
The date of the article is clearly visible in the timestamp of every article, including the original source. "He died Thursday morning" is a relative time reference, which by itself does not give readers the date of Eastlake's death and the timestamp is required to do that anyway.
I encourage you to stop removing the original source as the reference. Iamthomas nine (talk) 00:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The date the article was published doesn’t immediately mean that’s when the subject died. I can’t help you have a preference but ultimately you’re now edit warring over something extremely trivial. Rusted AutoParts 01:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I urge you to stop replacing the primary source of information with secondary source and calling it "extremely trivial". Iamthomas nine (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fighting over which source is used to confirm he’s died is trivial. What is important is having a source that clarifies the important details about the death, DOD included. But I’m not reverting again. I encourage you to reflect on whether or not warring to keep the source in was necessary. And it’s very passive looking when you mimic the way one writes something. Mimicking me saying “I encourage you to” doesn’t add anything. Rusted AutoParts 01:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, there should be no reason we are overwriting each other's reference so I don't know why you overwrote my contribution in the first place. The very first reference that was posted (oldid=837132053) is the primary source which contains all of the information including DOD in the timestamp of the article. You chose to overwrite that reference with a secondary source, then changed to a different article, which is also a secondary source. What is your issue with having the primary source as the reference - besides claiming it doesn't have the DOD, which it does? Iamthomas nine (talk) 01:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, when the article gets published doesn’t equal that being the date of death. Nowhere in the article is the sentence “Eastlake died/passed away Thursday morning” like the Sydney Morning Herald or the other source I used. That’s the reason why I replaced the sources. But clearly it’s important to you that this one particular source is the one used so it’s a dead issue. Rusted AutoParts 01:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I have just blocked another account with a username related to nine network, and you have a similar focus in your editing. You may very well be in direct violation of Wikipedia's m:Terms of use, and seen the discussion above, you seem rather persistent to use a primary source, whereas Wikipedia is supposed to be written using secondary sources. Please be careful, and please be sure that other editors coming from your organisation are also aware of these policies and guidelines of Wikipedia (you were, most were already linked at the top of this page, and on every edit window). --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:28, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Beetstra: I've just read all of your suggested information and I understand yours and the community's concern. I do contract-style web development work on websites and part of my work includes some of Nine's websites so when I come across some stories that are just ground breaking, I want to contribute to updating Wikipedia, in a silly way, writing history. I'm usually not news-savvy or fast enough to have a reason to update Wikipedia (especially other websites I work on) but I do like to be involved. I don't intend to hide the fact that I have a connection with them, but I also wouldn't dare say I represent them, nor get paid to use Wikipedia for them. Regarding a dispute you may be referring to above, I didn't realise Wikipedia prefers secondary sources of information and I thought that finding the article published by them about them was like "hearing it from the horse's mouth" so to speak. Regarding my contributions, it looks like you've noticed that I keep all of my contributions objective and that's important to me because that's what I want to see when I use Wikipedia to research things too and there is no reason to favour this company and I hope that I haven't shown any favouritism towards them. No doubt I turn to Wikipedia for 'fact-finding' on a regular basis and for this reason I donate money regularly too. What would you suggest that I do because I do want to contribute facts and history to Wikipedia. If I just propose changes will I get some sort of mention or recognition? Iamthomas nine (talk) 08:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It does look like you have some form of relation to nine, as also apparent from your edits. All I ask you therefore is to be careful. Regarding 'I get some sort of mention or recognition' .. no, but that should not be your aim anyway, there is a lot of other stuff unrelated to anything that could be construed as you having a conflict of interest that you can edit. Sometimes it is better to just propose on the talkpage. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:58, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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