User talk:Helene1313

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Micheline Montreuil[edit]

I just wanted to explain to you why I've made the revisions that I've made to your edits at Micheline Montreuil. I assure you that it's not meant to be disruptive or hurtful to you, but there are reasons for it which I need to clarify:

It is a core principle of Wikipedia that once we've given the subject's full name at the top of the article, the rest of the article does not keep repeating the full name over and over and over again — we use the WP:LASTNAME or pronouns. So we don't write "in 1998, the National Bank of Canada refused to hire Micheline Montreuil" in the middle of the article; we write either "in 1998, the National Bank of Canada refused to hire Montreuil" or "in 1998, the National Bank of Canada refused to hire her."
While I understand that in the French language, an article of this type can be written in the present tense ("En 1984, Montreuil est candidat..."), English doesn't work that way. In English, that sentence has to be written in the past tense ("In 1984, Montreuil was a candidate") and not in the present ("In 1984, Montreuil is a candidate").
The article does not actually need to directly provide a dictionary definition of the word transgender; that's why it links to our separate article on transgender, so that anybody who needs an explanation can click on it and read that article.
We can't source content on Wikipedia to photographs posted on your own website. Our sources have to be to media coverage of you, not to content that you've published yourself on your own website (and a photograph isn't coverage.)
We don't add extra "internal links" sections to the bottom of an article to repeat links to topics that have already been linked in the body text.
The fact that Michèle Morgan is mentioned in the text does not mean that we add her website as an additional external link alongside your website — she isn't the subject of the article, so her web page isn't relevant to it.

I just want to assure you that if there's any information in the article that's wrong, we'd be happy to correct it — nobody here, least of all me, wants to misrepresent you at all. But anything that gets added to or removed from the article has to follow our content and sourcing rules. If there are any corrections needed to the article, you can post them to Talk:Micheline Montreuil so they can be reviewed and added to the article — but we're not going to make purely stylistic adjustments to the article that aren't compliant with our style rules just because you ask for them.

Hope that helps a bit; again, rest assured that I'm not trying to hurt or misrepresent you here. I'd be happy to work with you to make any corrections or improvements that need to take place, but any changes that are made have to be made in a way that's compliant with our style and formatting and content rules. Bearcat (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your corrections[edit]

Dear Bearcat.

I understand your remarks and I wish to clarify why I have done it that way.

1. I understand that you wish to avoid repetition of the full name but I prefer the pronoun like in a familiar way than the use of the family name that looks more like in the army. I suggest that you replace Montreuil by she or her depending the way you feel it.

2. I understand the use of the past instead of the present when it is written in English.

3. I prefer a short explanation the way I have written it but if it is the policy of Wikepedia, i have no choice.

4. The secondary sources were not available on line because, in 2003, they were not on line at all. So, I have scanned them to put them on line. However, you had always the full reference including the name of the newspaper, the day of publication and the page. So, it is always possible to check it in real life. In removing this information, it is harder to check or verify this information. You have even removed the direct link to the website of the government of Québec where all the judgments are kept. I have given you the link to judgment of the Court of Appeal that gave me my name of Micheline and you have removed it. At the top of my page on Wipedia, there is a warning stating : This article relies too much on references to primary sources. Please improve this article by adding secondary or tertiary sources. I have added secondary and tertiary sources to comply to this warning and you have removed them.

5. For internal links, I agree.

6. For the link to the website of Michele Morgan, I think that it is relevant but if you do not think so, I must agree.

I just wished that every thing was right and precise. When I began to correct it, many links were not working any more and there were no secondary sources. So, I removed all the broken links and changed the wording of some sentences to be sure that every thing is correct and can be verified. Right now, the page is correct.

You must know that I have not created these two pages in English and French. Some one has created them but the content of these two pages were not exact on every thing and there were some comments that they could not be verified. I have decided to write them properly in both French and English, just with facts than can be verified. For example, when I have written the names of universities where I have studied, it was to show that you can be a transgender and an intellectual at the same time and this information can be verified. You have removed that part.

Any way, you know better than me way of how Wikipedia works and I am glad to read your explanations.

Hoping to read you again.

Micheline Montreuil--Micheline1313 (talk) 02:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I didn't think you originally created the article yourself — I've been editing here for a long time, and was actually one of the first people ever to edit it at all after it was created back in 2007. We do, for the record, have a conflict of interest policy when it comes to people writing or editing articles about themselves — but it doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to edit articles about themselves at all, it just means that they have to take a little bit of extra caution to make sure they're not stepping over the line into using Wikipedia as a promotional or public relations platform instead of an encyclopedia (but that's not what you were doing, so don't worry about it.)

Anyway, as I said, I'd be happy to help fix anything in the article that needs to be fixed. I can't get to it right away, but I'll start taking a look at it as soon as I can — and I'll let you know right away if I have any further questions about what you need. Bearcat (talk) 04:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your help[edit]

Dear Bearcat,

Thank you so much for your help. I trust you and I am sure that together, we will write a good article according to the rules of Wikipedia.

Regards

Micheline Montreuil--Micheline1313 (talk) 04:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]